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nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:03 PM Apr 2016

Hillary's atrocious race record: Her stances over decades have been painful and wrong | SALON

Hillary’s atrocious race record: Her stances over decades have been painful and wrong
"The idea that she is or ever has been a stalwart advocate for black empowerment is absolutely ludicrous"

MUSA AL-GHARBI - SUNDAY, APR 3, 2016
Musa al-Gharbi is a political philosopher affiliated with the Southwest Initiative for the Study of Middle East Conflict (SISMEC). Readers can connect to his work and social media via his website: www.fiatsophia.org

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/03/hillarys_atrocious_race_record_her_stances_over_decades_have_been_painful_and_wrong/
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(snip)

...just a few short months ago Hillary Clinton was going out of her way to distance herself from the Obama administration because she believed it was politically expedient to do so. Now, under threat from Sanders’ insurgency, she is cynically trying to sell herself as Obama’s right hand. But of course, the moment she locks down the nomination she’ll go back to drawing contrast–the Clintons have always been leaders at “vote capturing.”

But perhaps the most disturbing of all is the insinuation that Hillary Clinton has some kind of proud and storied legacy in the service of black empowerment. She doesn’t. Consider the comparative records of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders:

The Chicago Years

While attending the University of Chicago, Sanders served as a chapter chairman for the Congress for Racial Equality. In this capacity, he worked to end segregation in schools and housing—activities for which he was arrested.

What was Hillary Clinton doing while Sanders was organizing sit-ins and demonstrations? Well, she was also living in Chicago at the time, but she was working for the other team: in 1963-64, Clinton was a volunteer and supporter for the campaign of Barry Goldwater.

For those who don’t know, Goldwater’s claim to fame is that he was the first Republican to win the Deep South since Reconstruction. He achieved this feat by vowing to undermine enforcement of the Civil Rights Act, and to prevent further erosion of white privilege. His campaign was so disgusting that many Republican leaders, such as George Romney and John Rockefeller, refused to endorse his candidacy even after he won his party’s nomination...Yet, this is the man who inspired Hillary Clinton to get into politics. And she was campaigning for him while Bernie was campaigning for desegregation.

(snip)


Of course, it’d be easy to write this off–after all, it was a long time ago. However, the Clintons’ tenure in the White House doesn’t look so great in hindsight either:

The Clinton Administration(s)

Bill Clinton’s deregulation of banks and Wall Street helped bring about the 2008 financial collapse that profoundly and disproportionately obliterated black wealth. In the wake of this disaster, and despite their long and sordid history of discrimination and predatory practices against people of color, Hillary Clinton continues to defend the institutions responsible (and is richly rewarded for doing so).

(snip)

And then, of course, there are the Clinton-era “tough on crime” measures, which Hillary Clinton actively lobbied for. While Sanders ultimately voted for the bill for the sake of its assault rifle ban and domestic violence protections, he first took to the senate floor to passionately denounce the draconian sentencing provisions contained therein, which he aptly predicted would be exercised primarily against America’s poor, largely people of color. In contrast, Hillary Clinton referred to the criminalized as animals, describing them as “super-predators” which have to be “brought to heel.”

(snip)

Later in that same cycle, it would be Clinton supporters who first began circulating rumors that Barack Obama was not born in the United States and might be a secret Muslim (launching the “birther” movement). Not only did Clinton fail to denounce these claims from her supporters (then later hypocritically bash Donald Trump for doing the same), her campaign actively attempted to capitalize on this paranoia, dog-whistling that Hillary was “born in the middle of America to the middle class in the middle of the last century” and bragging about the edge she held over Obama among non-college-attending white Americans.

Little Has Changed

Then again, 2008 was almost eight years ago, right? What about today?

Consider that one of the people currently attempting to slime Bernie Sanders on Clinton’s behalf is her long-time friend and ally, David Brock, who infamously led the hatchet-job against law professor Anita Hill when she accused Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas of sexual harassment. For Hillary Clinton to sell herself as a champion of women and African-Americans while closely associating herself with someone like Brock is deeply unsettling…much like Clinton taking foreign policy and national security guidance from the same consulting firm that formulates strategy for Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio.

(snip)

One could go on and on. These are not instances of occasional misspeaking or malformed policies—instead, a consistent pattern of words and actions persisting over decades. This is not to suggest Hillary Clinton is racist, at least not any more than most white people, but the idea that she is or ever has been a stalwart advocate for black empowerment is absolutely ludicrous.


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Hillary's atrocious race record: Her stances over decades have been painful and wrong | SALON (Original Post) nashville_brook Apr 2016 OP
Admittedly, I have not read the linked article; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #1
from the article, "As an African-American, I have struggled to understand why..." nashville_brook Apr 2016 #3
I wouldn't concern yourself with it Matt_in_STL Apr 2016 #4
ah, i see. nashville_brook Apr 2016 #10
I have posted that on DU that ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #20
You assume way too much and way incorrectly Matt_in_STL Apr 2016 #29
Yeah okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #32
What do you call it then? It is your go to move. Matt_in_STL Apr 2016 #34
So, before posting a "white" needs to do research... Herman4747 Apr 2016 #31
What are you attempting to say? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #33
That would be Shaun King. Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #36
Okay ... SHAUN KING ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #38
All of DU? Or only all of white DU? I think there were quite a few of us aware of him when he started Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #42
Yeah right .... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #45
do you care for Michelle Alexander's work? nashville_brook Apr 2016 #49
Yes. Her latest work is very well written. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #50
Teehee. n/t DirkGently Apr 2016 #43
Wow that is a metric fuck ton of bullshit. vintx Apr 2016 #39
You can post whatever you like ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #54
That's a creative allegation lacking relevant context and nuance you've made. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #63
As you were saying? Matt_in_STL Apr 2016 #66
Is there a point to posting the author's picture? JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #6
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #15
I always have wondered why she leaves off her work on the Watergate Committee, which preceded her Blue Meany Apr 2016 #27
The purpose of posting the author's picture is 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #55
Ha! Maybe he means you're just not allowed to post it? DirkGently Apr 2016 #7
I know Al-Gharbi ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #9
then share your opinion of his writing, why don't you? nashville_brook Apr 2016 #11
Don't hold your breath awaiting a substantive response. DirkGently Apr 2016 #18
His writing is fine ... But he represents an outliers opinion in the Black community ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #21
Do you have a substantive comment on the piece? DirkGently Apr 2016 #22
No. I do not have a substantive comment on the piece. And 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #23
I thought not. And that is the point. DirkGently Apr 2016 #24
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #35
Whoa. That's some powerful nonsense right there. DirkGently Apr 2016 #37
KAPOW!!!! n/t Herman4747 Apr 2016 #28
Yeah, that's too bad whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #51
The relevance of your post seems fictional. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #64
The relevance of yours seems nil whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #65
Brock is unadulterated filth. DirkGently Apr 2016 #2
Brock goes where the money is. Simple as that. nashville_brook Apr 2016 #48
Michelle Alexander agrees. Octafish Apr 2016 #5
She was amazing on Chris Hayes the other night. DirkGently Apr 2016 #8
Thank you for posting that here. vintx Apr 2016 #40
Good article Rebkeh Apr 2016 #12
Salon has been redeeming itself lately. nashville_brook Apr 2016 #13
They do decent stuff once in a while Rebkeh Apr 2016 #14
i mostly catch stories on Twitter these days, following writers i like nashville_brook Apr 2016 #19
Maybe it's worth checking out again. DirkGently Apr 2016 #17
K&R SMC22307 Apr 2016 #16
Thank you for this, nashville_brook. senz Apr 2016 #25
There's so much BS in that article I don't know where to begin. The Goldwater crap is ridiculous Metric System Apr 2016 #26
Certainly as late as 1996... Herman4747 Apr 2016 #30
that's the neoliberal/new dem/blue dog shuffle -- they want the conservative vote nashville_brook Apr 2016 #61
think of the things ingrained into you,by the age of 17,anything stick? wendylaroux Apr 2016 #53
Musa al-Gharbi @ http://fiatsophia.org/ Tarc Apr 2016 #41
This doesn't help: Six Case Studies in Dog Whistle Politics WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #44
Interesting. I continue to think DirkGently Apr 2016 #46
Kick azmom Apr 2016 #47
This will leave a mark FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #52
there's already swelling. nashville_brook Apr 2016 #57
So why has Sanders done so poorly with black folks? Blue_Tires Apr 2016 #56
not really dana_b Apr 2016 #58
Please stop with that "didn't know who he was until recently" silliness... Blue_Tires Apr 2016 #59
oh, I didn't realize that your question was rhetorical dana_b Apr 2016 #60
So my point still stands: Blue_Tires Apr 2016 #62
unscrupulous, opportunistic manipulation amborin Apr 2016 #67
Reality Check for Democrats: Would Martin Luther King Be Supporting Bernie? Octafish Apr 2016 #68
kicking for this wonderful article. nashville_brook Apr 2016 #69
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
1. Admittedly, I have not read the linked article; but ...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:18 PM
Apr 2016

I just wanted to say how much I, as a Black man, just love non-Black folks expounding on (in a partisan way) their opinion of the race footing of political candidates.

Thank you DU.

{Do I need the dismissive sarcasm thingy?}

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
3. from the article, "As an African-American, I have struggled to understand why..."
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:25 PM
Apr 2016

"As an African-American, I have struggled to understand why so many of my black brothers and sisters seem to prefer Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders."

Here's a photo of the author.




 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
4. I wouldn't concern yourself with it
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:37 PM
Apr 2016

He has posted on DU that whites must refrain from posting articles by black authors or discussing endorsements made by blacks in general (typically only when the endorse Sanders). He has expressed disappointment that, no matter how many times this has been said, whites keep violating this unwritten rule.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
10. ah, i see.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:08 PM
Apr 2016

major assumptions can be made about about my identity as the poster of the article, and the visible color of my skin negates my authority to create an OP on the subject.

quite a way to create a discourse.


not.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
20. I have posted that on DU that ...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:13 PM
Apr 2016

whites should reffrain from posting articles by black authors or discussing endorsements made by blacks in general (typically only when the endorse Sanders) when the, clear purpose of doing so is to prove that Bernie has Black support.

I have said that time after time. Admit it ..;. you didn't even know who Killer Mike or Shawn King was before he came out for Sanders ... and the only reason they are on your lips is because they are Black AND they support Sanders. If either were not true (particularly, the former) ... neither would be mentioned on DU.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
34. What do you call it then? It is your go to move.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:11 PM
Apr 2016

You are a one trick pony and that pony has aged poorly.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
31. So, before posting a "white" needs to do research...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016

...on the skin color of the author of an article that impressed the white? Otherwise, the white should "reffrain"??

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
42. All of DU? Or only all of white DU? I think there were quite a few of us aware of him when he started
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:47 PM
Apr 2016

his regular gig at DKos.

But please tell me which black people DUers (or would that be only white DUers) are allowed to cite in regards to their support of Bernie?

Can we post Harry Belafonte videos and transcripts? For sure most (white) DUers knew of him before he endorsed Bernie. How about Danny Glover? Or Spike Lee? Or Keith Ellison?

Personally, I was gleeful when Xavier Dphrepaulezz, one of my favorite musical artists, endorsed Bernie. I didn't post that endorsement here but I did on FB and Twitter.

I have a signed copy of Michelle Alexander's book, "The New Jim Crow." Am I allowed to cite her support?




 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
45. Yeah right ....
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:25 PM
Apr 2016

You (and the rest of Team:bernie) posted nothing of Mr. King's work, before he came out for Bernie.

But you seem to be missing my point ... Would you give a damn about what Shaun King or Michelle Alexander write, if they were not Black Bernie supporters?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
54. You can post whatever you like ...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

as I have posted (seemingly, a million times) ... my objection is to white DUers posting Black voices for the purpose of attempting to convince/prove to themselves (and possibly others) that that Black voices represents anything other than an outlier opinion.

BTW, what is a "metric fuck ton"?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
63. That's a creative allegation lacking relevant context and nuance you've made.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:12 PM
Apr 2016

That's a very creative allegation lacking relevant context and nuance you've constructed. Allegations are much easier to cower behind than the truth of a matter, so I understand why you do as much.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,374 posts)
6. Is there a point to posting the author's picture?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:41 PM
Apr 2016

It appears to be a young African-American who has struggled to understand why so many of his black brothers and sisters seem to prefer Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders.

Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #6)

 

Blue Meany

(1,947 posts)
27. I always have wondered why she leaves off her work on the Watergate Committee, which preceded her
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:44 PM
Apr 2016

work at the Children's Defense Fund. I guess that was probably an internship rather than a "real" job, but her name is on oodles of watergate reports as one of the lawyers.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
55. The purpose of posting the author's picture is
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:22 AM
Apr 2016

so that everyone knows the author is Black.

It seems many white DUers are desperate to convince/prove to themselves (and possibly others) that these Black voices, holding like opinions as they, represents anything other than an outlier opinion.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
7. Ha! Maybe he means you're just not allowed to post it?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:43 PM
Apr 2016

I think I saw, incredibly, an attempt to argue here once for a racial qualification to even post critique of Hillary Clinton on racial issues at one point.

Don't know if anyone's still trying to make that particular blob of horse puckey fly, but wow was it fascinating to watch.



DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
18. Don't hold your breath awaiting a substantive response.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:45 PM
Apr 2016

From what I've seen, this DU-specific line of argument is not about substance, but rather who is racially qualified (or disqualified) to speak. Apparently everyone is qualified to approve of Hillary Clinton's record and policies on race-related issues, but critique of her or approval of That Other Person Running requires pre-approval by a select group of DU posters. Or something? It's weird.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
21. His writing is fine ... But he represents an outliers opinion in the Black community ...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:18 PM
Apr 2016

about just about everything, except racism that has affected him, personally.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
22. Do you have a substantive comment on the piece?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:45 PM
Apr 2016

Constantly trying to qualify or disqualify who is entitled to speak or whose opinion counts seems like an attempt to avoid engaging the issues, don't you think?
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
23. No. I do not have a substantive comment on the piece. And
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:59 PM
Apr 2016

having context to an opinion is important ... don't you think?

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
24. I thought not. And that is the point.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:21 PM
Apr 2016

And no, argument to the effect that anyone who critiques Hillary Clinton's record or policies is disqualified either because of

1) Their race if they are not black, or
2) Because of the race of the poster if that person is not black, or
3) In all other cases because any such opinions do not, according to you, reflect the overall opinion of black people,

is "context."

It's a specious argument. The pretense seems to be .. what? That there is some immutable, racially sacred reason why Hillary Clinton is beloved of non-white Americans, and that opinions to the contrary are therefore either dismissible on the basis of the identity of the speaker, or dismissible as an "outlier" as you have attempted here?

No one thinks that. People of varied backgrounds and identities have various opinions on various people on various things. Some of them are based on good argument, facts and reasoning, and some not so much. But that's all. There is no magic identity wand that means Hillary's policies and history, racially related or otherwise, are immune to critique.

Why don't you weigh in with your actual thoughts on things instead of trying to argue this silly syllogism all the time?

You must have some experience or reasoning that leads you to hold whatever opinion it is that you actually have.

Let's hear it.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
35. LOL ...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:13 PM
Apr 2016

My point is there are Black folks that white DUers like to cite to that do not represent the mainstream of Black communal thought. And but for their support of Bernie, white DUers wouldn't give a single damn about thosr Black outliers.

This is one such occasion.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
37. Whoa. That's some powerful nonsense right there.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:46 PM
Apr 2016

You neither speak for "the mainstream of Black communal thought" nor have any insight into the motives of people posting the wide variety of political opinion on Hillary or Bernie on this site.

Nor is the theoretical "mainstream" of any communities' thought a disqualifying factor in contrary opinions, for Pete's sake.

You're offering a transparent syllogism:

1. "Black Americans prefer Hillary;
2. therefore opinions not preferring Hillary are not the opinions of black Americans;
3. therefore those opinions may be dismissed."

Literally none of those assumptions are true. You're just starting with the false premise that Hillary Clinton has the permanent, immutable approval of all black people, and compounding it with another false premise that only black people care about racial issues or have any authority to hold an opinion.

I find it hard to believe you actually think any of that is valid argument. If Sanders started out doing better than Hillary among women, would you argue that any women who preferred Hillary were therefore just "outliers," or that men who preferred Hillary on women's issues should not be heard to speak?

I love this idea that there is one valid opinion possible, that it's already been determined, and that you will be policing any attempts to hold contrary opinions, without bothering to offer any substantive basis for any of it.

Is ... is anyone allowed to argue, on any basis, against whatever you've anointed as the valid opinion here? "No," I'm guessing?

Are there other fixed opinions out there no one is allowed to contradict? Is there perhaps a list we could all examine?


whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
51. Yeah, that's too bad
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:52 AM
Apr 2016

Free country, free speech, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I just want to say how much I, as a white man, appreciate your right to voice your opinions on everything. Which I've noticed you do without consideration or reservation.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
2. Brock is unadulterated filth.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:20 PM
Apr 2016

Which he has aimed at Hillary herself. How she can associate with a person who made his nut sliming people while claiming to aspire to the high ground is a mystery.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
5. Michelle Alexander agrees.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:38 PM
Apr 2016
Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote

 From the crime bill to welfare reform, policies Bill Clinton enacted—and Hillary Clinton supported—decimated black America.


By Michelle Alexander
The Nation, FEBRUARY 10, 2016

EXCERPT...

Black voters have been remarkably loyal to the Clintons for more than 25 years. It’s true that we eventually lined up behind Barack Obama in 2008, but it’s a measure of the Clinton allure that Hillary led Obama among black voters until he started winning caucuses and primaries. Now Hillary is running again. This time she’s facing a democratic socialist who promises a political revolution that will bring universal healthcare, a living wage, an end to rampant Wall Street greed, and the dismantling of the vast prison state—many of the same goals that Martin Luther King Jr. championed at the end of his life. Even so, black folks are sticking with the Clinton brand.

What have the Clintons done to earn such devotion? Did they take extreme political risks to defend the rights of African Americans? Did they courageously stand up to right-wing demagoguery about black communities? Did they help usher in a new era of hope and prosperity for neighborhoods devastated by deindustrialization, globalization, and the disappearance of work?

No. Quite the opposite.

* * *

When Bill Clinton ran for president in 1992, urban black communities across America were suffering from economic collapse. Hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs had vanished as factories moved overseas in search of cheaper labor, a new plantation. Globalization and deindustrialization affected workers of all colors but hit African Americans particularly hard. Unemployment rates among young black men had quadrupled as the rate of industrial employment plummeted. Crime rates spiked in inner-city communities that had been dependent on factory jobs, while hopelessness, despair, and crack addiction swept neighborhoods that had once been solidly working-class. Millions of black folks—many of whom had fled Jim Crow segregation in the South with the hope of obtaining decent work in Northern factories—were suddenly trapped in racially segregated, jobless ghettos.

On the campaign trail, Bill Clinton made the economy his top priority and argued persuasively that conservatives were using race to divide the nation and divert attention from the failed economy. In practice, however, he capitulated entirely to the right-wing backlash against the civil-rights movement and embraced former president Ronald Reagan’s agenda on race, crime, welfare, and taxes—ultimately doing more harm to black communities than Reagan ever did.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
8. She was amazing on Chris Hayes the other night.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:55 PM
Apr 2016

Even Chris seems to have swallowed a bit of Ms. Clinton's Kool-Aid lately, but Alexander was so cogent and sincere that all his brow-knitting couldn't begin to dent her arguments.

Worth noting she pointed out the Clintons DID do a good job of making people feel like people; like they mattered and would be brought to the table. Clinton policy, unfortunately, fell short of that promise.

And that's the neo-liberal way. Kinder words and warmer smiles, and at the end of the day, the same complete obeisance to money and the pursuit of personal power.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
40. Thank you for posting that here.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:23 PM
Apr 2016
Whether or not you're NA, black, white, Latinx, Aisan, or what-the-fuck-ever.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
13. Salon has been redeeming itself lately.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:13 PM
Apr 2016

it had been doing too much TV review and culture criticism for my taste. i'm glad they've returned to their roots. somewhat.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
14. They do decent stuff once in a while
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:16 PM
Apr 2016

But I can only take so much wading in the muck to find it.

So, it's better lately then, good to know.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
19. i mostly catch stories on Twitter these days, following writers i like
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:02 PM
Apr 2016

better curation! i love it when i can add new writers to my lists.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
17. Maybe it's worth checking out again.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:35 PM
Apr 2016

There was a point where every new piece was an exercise in ... I don't know what? Calculated idiocy to stimulate comments?

One recently was about how Ronda Rousey was a domestic abuser because she her knocked her (professional fighter) boyfriend aside after she caught him taking covert pictures of her and he wouldn't let her out his apartment. Before that it was how white women should stop belly-dancing because it was cultural appropriation.

But I remember a time when there were good, thoughtful articles on Salon. This looks to be one of those. Breath of fresh air and all that.
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
25. Thank you for this, nashville_brook.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:35 PM
Apr 2016

I hadn't seen it but did see the Salon article and so put up another OP on it. Maybe between our two OPs, people will learn something.

It's important.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
26. There's so much BS in that article I don't know where to begin. The Goldwater crap is ridiculous
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:39 PM
Apr 2016

considering she was a teen at the time from a conservative family. The voting age was 21 so she couldn't even vote.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
30. Certainly as late as 1996...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:58 PM
Apr 2016

She was very proud to have been a Goldwater Girl. NOTE: She was not ashamed to have been a Goldwater Girl; instead she was very proud to have been a Goldwater Girl.
For your reading enjoyment:

I am very proud that I was a Goldwater girl. -- Hillary, 1996, DEFINITELY NO LONGER A TEEN SO YOU CAN'T USE THAT EXCUSE!! http://usuncut.com/politics/npr-interview-hillary-clinton-was-proud-of-her-conservatism/

So. as an adult she was proud of working on Goldwater's behalf as he fought hard against civil rights legislation.

KAPOW!!!

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
61. that's the neoliberal/new dem/blue dog shuffle -- they want the conservative vote
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:43 PM
Apr 2016

they want to alienate the left. it's really simple. there's no secret sauce.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
53. think of the things ingrained into you,by the age of 17,anything stick?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:59 AM
Apr 2016

or did 100% of everything your parents taught you just fall away? you stopped

believing any of it?

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
44. This doesn't help: Six Case Studies in Dog Whistle Politics
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:00 PM
Apr 2016

Three years after the end of the Cold War, the 1992 presidential campaign focused primarily on the economy. But “Clinton did not depend on an economic message alone; rather, he decided to engage in his own racial pandering,” writes Haney López. Clinton campaigned as a ‘New Democrat’: “one resistant to black concerns, tough on crime and hostile to welfare.” Clinton distanced himself from African-American voters and politicians, publicly sparring with Rev. Jesse Jackson. “This ad shows the centrality of dog whistling to the Clinton campaign, putting front and center his promise to end welfare so that it’s no longer ‘a way of life,’ and also his commitment to cracking down on ‘criminals,’” Haney López told BillMoyers.com.


Nice campaign ad at link
http://billmoyers.com/content/six-case-studies-in-dog-whistle-politics/5/

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
46. Interesting. I continue to think
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:18 AM
Apr 2016

the Clinton(s) plural are conservatives; Hillary even more so than Bill. Interventionist wars, lax rules for wheeler dealers; privatization left and right. All delivered with a haphazard willingness toward social progressivism, so long as it is politically expedient and cost-free.

It's an attitude born of the post-Reagan era, when Democrats were convinced America simply hated liberals and liberalism, and the best that could be done was to be slightly kinder about being conservative.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
58. not really
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:28 PM
Apr 2016

First off, so many didn't even know who he was until recently. Secondly, well, actually Michelle Alexander explains it MUCH better than I do. Seriously - she explained it well as to why so many black people still love the Clintons. I didn't understand it but after listening to her, I get it.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
59. Please stop with that "didn't know who he was until recently" silliness...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:38 PM
Apr 2016

I knew who he was, and most other black folks in my circle knew who he was...

I also wouldn't put much stock into what Alexander says, since she's trying to break off and create a third party...

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
60. oh, I didn't realize that your question was rhetorical
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:42 PM
Apr 2016

and since you evidently already KNOW everything, I won't bother you again.

You may not put much stock into her but many people do.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
62. So my point still stands:
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:02 PM
Apr 2016

If Hillary is clearly this 'bad' for us, why has Sanders lagged so badly with black voters? Why hasn't he been able to take advantage of this to win more of us to his camp??

Anybody want to answer that?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
68. Reality Check for Democrats: Would Martin Luther King Be Supporting Bernie?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:02 AM
Apr 2016

Professor Jeff Cohen asked a most important question.



Reality Check for Democrats: Would Martin Luther King Be Supporting Bernie?

by Jeff Cohen
Common Dreams, February 11, 2016

Corporate mainstream media have sanitized and distorted the life and teachings of Martin Luther King Jr., putting him in the category of a “civil rights leader” who focused narrowly on racial discrimination; end of story.

Missing from the story is that Dr. King was also a tough-minded critic of our capitalist economic structure, much like Bernie Sanders is today.

The reality is that King himself supported democratic socialism – and that civil rights activists and socialists have walked arm-in-arm for more than a century.

The same news outlets that omit such facts keep telling us that the mass of African American voters in South Carolina and elsewhere are diehard devotees of Hillary (and Bill) Clinton – implying that blacks are somehow wary of Bernie Sanders and his “democratic socialism.”

Here are some key historical facts and quotes that get almost no attention in mainstream media:

1909: Many socialists – both blacks and whites – were involved in forming the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), our country’s oldest civil rights group. Among them was renowned black intellectual W.E.B. Dubois.

1925: Prominent African American socialist A. Philip Randolph became the first president of the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters, a union that played a major role in activism for civil and economic rights (including the 1963 “March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom”).

1952: In a fascinating letter to Coretta Scott, the woman he would marry a year later, Martin King wrote: “I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic. . . . Today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.”

1965: King wrote an essay in Pageant magazine, “The Bravest Man I Ever Knew,” extolling Norman Thomas as “America’s foremost socialist” and favorably quoting a black activist who said of Thomas: “He was for us before any other white folks were.”

1965: After passage of the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act in 1965, King became even more vocal about economic rights: “What good is having the right to sit at a lunch counter if you can’t afford to buy a hamburger?”

1965-66: King supported President Lyndon Johnson’s “War on Poverty” but urged more – calling for a “gigantic Marshall Plan” for our naton’s poor of all races.

1966: In remarks to staffers at the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), King said:

“You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry. . . . It really means that we are saying something is wrong with capitalism. There must be a better distribution of wealth, and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.”

March 1967: King commented to SCLC’s board that “the evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”

April 1967: In his speech denouncing the U.S. war in Vietnam at New York’s Riverside Church, King extended his economic critique abroad, complaining about “capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa, and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries.”

May 1967: In a report to SCLC’s staff, King said:

“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power . . . this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together . . . you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others . . . the whole structure of American life must be changed.”

August 1967: In his final speech to SCLC, King declared:

“One day we must ask the question, ‘Why are there forty million poor people in America?’ And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising a question about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth. When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I'm simply saying that more and more, we've got to begin to ask questions about the whole society. We are called upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. But one day we must come to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. It means that questions must be raised. And you see, my friends, when you deal with this you begin to ask the question, ‘Who owns the oil?’ You begin to ask the question, ‘Who owns the iron ore?’ You begin to ask the question, ‘Why is it that people have to pay water bills in a world that's two-thirds water?’”


Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated as he and SCLC were mobilizing a multiracial army of the poor to descend nonviolently on Washington D.C. demanding a “Poor Peoples Bill of Rights.” He told a New York Times reporter that “you could say we’re involved in the class struggle.”

A year before he was murdered, King said the following to journalist David Halberstam: “For years I labored with the idea of reforming the existing institutions of the South, a little change here, a little change there. Now I feel quite differently. I think you’ve got to have a reconstruction of the entire society, a revolution of values.”

Unlike what Hillary Clinton professes today, Dr. King came to reject the idea of slow, incremental change. He thought big. He proposed solutions that could really solve social problems.

Unlike corporate-dominated U.S. media, King was not at all afraid of democratic socialism. Other eminent African American leaders have been unafraid. Perhaps it’s historically fitting that former NAACP president Ben Jealous has recently campaigned for Bernie Sanders in South Carolina.

If mainstream journalists did more reporting on the candidates’ actual records, instead of crystal-ball gazing about the alleged hold that the Clintons have over African American voters, news consumers would know about the deplorable record of racially-biased incarceration and economic hardship brought on by Clinton administration policies. (See Michelle Alexander’s “Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote.”)

With income inequality even greater now than during Martin Luther King’s final years, is there much doubt that King would be supporting the progressive domestic agenda of Bernie Sanders?

Before Bernie was making these kinds of big economic reform proposals, King was making them – but mainstream media didn’t want to hear them at the time . . . or now.

This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 License

Jeff Cohen is an associate professor of journalism and the director of the Park Center for Independent Media at Ithaca College, founder of the media watch group FAIR, and former board member of Progressive Democrats of America. In 2002, he was a producer and pundit at MSNBC (overseen by NBC News). He is the author of Cable News Confidential: My Misadventures in Corporate Media - and a cofounder of the online action group, www.RootsAction.org.

SOURCE (with links to original sources): http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/11/reality-check-democrats-would-martin-luther-king-be-supporting-bernie
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