Clinton campaign says mailer sent to delegates in NV wrongly saying they didn't need to attend

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Brian Fallon @brianefallon
Among grave issues affecting County convention results in NV: notice went out to delegates wrongly saying they didn't need to show up today

Bruno Texas ?@menjicm 54m54 minutes ago
@brianefallon This is the notice

Brian Fallon ?@brianefallon 1h1 hour ago
Number of irregularities in NV today that were very troubling but we dont expect outcome to alter fact that Clinton has more NV delegates

[dchill]

1. Well, they must not have registered yesterday, either.

The mailer doesn't WRONGLY say anything. Bernie's delegates showed up.

[pacalo]

2. I read some comments from Nevadans who were there

& someone said Bernie supporters got the same wrong information.

[bigtree]

8. I think that's true

...one account I read said he lost 20% of his delegates to the notice.

I don't know if that's true, but something to look for tomorrow.

[kiva]

39. Actually there was a rumor that the Clark County Democratic Party

"lost" 20% of the paperwork for Bernie delegates. I have no idea if it was true, but I think that's part of the reason that Bernie delegates and alternates turned out and stayed on Saturday, because we were worried.

[Lucinda]

12. If not just a seriously stupid error, it would be a great way for GOP people

to cause even more tension between Dem supporters.
I hope they track the source of this down soon.

[pacalo]

20. A link with more information...

County delegates were confused about the rules for voting in the convention, Las Vegas Sun reported. The county party sent out an email on Friday saying that delegates who checked in and registered on Friday night didn’t have to attend the Saturday convention. Alternates did have to attend, the email continued. But most delegates thought that everyone had to attend the convention all day on Saturday anyway. Many decided to attend all day just in case.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/04/bernie-sanders-wins-nevada-flips-clark-county-convention-las-vegas-delegates-arrested-clinton-videos/

There's also a copy of the memo bigtree included in the OP, plus a copy of the letter sent to Hillary's volunteers. Check that out in the link in my excerpt; it sounds pretty plain about what to do.

[Lucinda]

21. Thanks much for the additional info!

Well the first line is wrong. Bernie didn't win Nevada.

[ViseGrip]

26. So glad Hillary is interested! This is awful. Now will she address AZ too?

[Lucinda]

30. She was talking about voter disenfranchizement before these states

election dates even happened. This is NOT a new problem.

[Aerows]

40. I agree with you.

This has "sowing dissent, GOP style" written all over it.

[kiva]

42. I got this e-mail.

Every delegate I talked to at the convention got this e-mail no matter who they were supporting.

It wasn't a GOP plot, it was pure local Democratic Party stupidity. The e-mail was sent by Eventbrite, the ticketing company that the party hired to extort money from delegates for tickets to attend the convention. The sending address was:

Clark County Democratic Party <[e-mail]>

[srobert]

31. I Received that Email Also ...

... but I suspected it was aimed at preventing Sanders voters from attending, so I ignored it and attended the convention. I was shocked to hear a Clinton delegate accuse that someone on the Sanders side had sent it to fool Clinton delegates. My prejudices led me to believe the opposite to be the case (If you're a Clinton supporter don't feel insulted. It's just a simple fact that each side doesn't trust the other right now.)

I'm not even clear on whether or not delegates who attended the pre-registration on the previous night, but didn't attend the convention, had their votes counted. (i.e. was the email fraudulent?) Now I'm trying to determine if the email was factually correct or not, and who sent it. It appeared to have come from Christine Kramer. But I haven't confirmed that it did. I've contacted her and both campaigns. Kramer responded that:

"As I was removed as the credentials chair to the convention by the executive board I cannot speak to the official results.

I have copied the party chair so that he can provide an official response."

[revbones]

3. They probably sent their own delegates the mailer they meant to send to Bernie's... rofl. nt

[reformist2]

4. I was wondering this too. Could it be a dirty trick that backfired???

[Skwmom]

7. Or a staged dirty trick so she can play the victim or have an excuse for future dirty tricks.

The delegate selection process still isn't finished. The next level is state. Hmm.. wonder what will happen there.

[Skwmom]

5. Bernie supporters also said they received the same wrong information.

Even Bernie supporters received that email, and a flier with that same missinformation was handed out BY CLARK COUNTY DEMS to all of us who preregistered on Friday.

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/apr/02/sanders-wins-most-delegates-at-clark-county-conven/

Considering this is only one step in a multi-step process it makes me wonder what the game is.... Clinton playing the victim to rally the base is where I would place my bet.

[jfern]

9. Probably just incompetence on the part of the county Democratic party

They probably prefer Hillary and this was unintentional.

[riversedge]

28. LOL

[riversedge]

29. SHAME ON YOU--You can not even admit it was morally wrong!!--Now you claim

Clinton is "playing the victim".

[Lucinda]

6. I read about this on FB earlier...

I hope they are able to sort out who is responsible for this.

[bigtree]

10. it's interesting, because it appears the notice was originally meant for Sanders supporters

[Lucinda]

13. I haven't seen anything about that myself yet, but I stopped digging into things once

we got the rules about the delegate allotment sorted out.

[noretreatnosurrender]

11. It was also in a thread

here on DU. A Bernie supporter got one.

[Lucinda]

14. If both sides got them, and only Dem party people handled the notifications, then it may

just be a colossal error. It needs to be tracked down though.

[noretreatnosurrender]

18. Sounds like it

but as you say, it should be tracked down.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

15. Sanders received the same bad data...

But the Sanders Campaign made a massive textbanking/phonebanking effort to contact all the delegates in the county for Sanders to make sure they knew the right information.

[Dems2002]

19. Yep -- My mom complained about all the calls

My mom got at least half a dozen reminders this week. She was annoyed, but she was in attendance.

[ucrdem]

16. Oh gawd.

I knew Karl has been lurking in the background but it sounds like he's taking an active role.

[highprincipleswork]

17. Too bad they got so good at de-incentivizing mailers that it hurt their own side!! I cry.

[JackRiddler]

22. Someone here reported on this days ago...

Multiple messages and mailers with conflicting instructions.

Unbelievable.

Every state, primary or caucus, has a flawed and usually undemocratic process. Some make fraud easy. It's all ridiculous.

[bigtree]

23. kick

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. The biggest problem was that it is easier for some folks to vote twice.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511635617

[bigtree]

25. »

[riversedge]

27. Looks like that Sander fan and anyone who supports this Nixion dirty trick are no better than Cruz

who sent a memo out just before the Iowa caucus saying that Carson dropped out of the race. No better.

[jfern]

32. It wasn't Bernie people who sent it out.

[riversedge]

33. It was obviously a fan of Bernies to play such a dirty trick.

[jfern]

34. It was the county party, and it was sent to everyone, including Bernie supporters

[srobert]

35. Follow up on the Email

I followed up with the Clark County Democratic Party and received an email indicating that committed delegates who checked in at the Friday night meeting DID have their votes counted on Saturday. So the Email was not fraudulent. It turns out that the only reason that Sanders won the county convention was because large numbers of Clinton delegates simply didn't think it was important enough to bother showing up at either event. The caucus voters who voted for Hillary Clinton should be enraged, not at Sanders or his supporters, but at their own elected delegates.

[riderinthestorm]

37. Thank you and welcome to DU!

[Luminous Animal]

38. Thank you for the update. I remember your original OP where you stated you had receive conflicting

info and were committed to being at both events.

[Skwmom]

36. For your reading pleasure.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1509733/full_content

[Aerows]

41. I think this smells more of GOP

dirty tricks than anything else. There isn't a bottom to the depths they will sink.