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fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:12 AM Apr 2016

BERNIE BACKLASH: I’ve Never Seen Hillary’s Supporters This Fired Up

Bernie’s last hurrah, his all-out attempt to knock Hillary down before the pledged delegate window closes permanently this month, is not having the intended consequences.

Hillary’s supporters are out in force today, rejecting Bernie’s GOP-style tactics and standing up for the candidate who is running the most positive campaign of the 2016 cycle.

Bernie and his campaign aides know he isn’t winning, but they won’t tell his supporters. I was there in 2008 during the closing days of Hillary’s campaign. I saw how the math was calculated and I know that most voters aren’t privy to the intricacies of delegate calculation, internal polling and demographic projection and extrapolation.

Bernie sees the writing on the wall. So do his senior advisers. But rather than go positive and unite the party, they’ve clearly decided to spend the money they’ve raised and traverse the path of maximum negativity — the path that conservatives have tried and failed with Hillary.


http://bluenationreview.com/never-seen-hillarys-supporters-this-fired-up/

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BERNIE BACKLASH: I’ve Never Seen Hillary’s Supporters This Fired Up (Original Post) fun n serious Apr 2016 OP
Well that certainly explains why she's pulling in huge crowds that only Press Virginia Apr 2016 #1
Crowds are not votes... fun n serious Apr 2016 #2
But they're all fired up for Hil, out in force and all that. Press Virginia Apr 2016 #5
You don't see it? nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #8
The fix was in from the start. People aren't excited for HRC Press Virginia Apr 2016 #9
See what? PeoViejo Apr 2016 #103
Are you referring to Bernie's crowds being... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2016 #12
"Bussed in"? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #14
Right? LoveIsNow Apr 2016 #30
Hillary is using one of them to host all her fired up supporters Press Virginia Apr 2016 #36
Maybe they're holographic images. Yeah that's it!!! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #43
How are the busses even able to move, what with the likes of Delores Huerta and Rachel Maddow.. frylock Apr 2016 #137
LOL! Holographic images, it's the only explanation! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #141
Man oh man Jennylynn Apr 2016 #166
That's a helluva lot of short buses .... nt salinsky Apr 2016 #102
Jury results Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #126
Unfortunately for Bernie ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #7
super delegates are how she gets the nomination Press Virginia Apr 2016 #11
Are you new to this process? NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #18
Bahahahahaha! I love that story Press Virginia Apr 2016 #20
Well, I'm not surprised. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #24
She's ahead by 260 with 2000 left Press Virginia Apr 2016 #25
Apparently, I was right. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #26
Hahahahaha! You can pretend it's the voters if you want Press Virginia Apr 2016 #29
The voters GAVE her the delegates. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #33
Delegates awarded by actual voting give her a total of 1240 Press Virginia Apr 2016 #34
Note that that 980 is without most of Washington's delegates. (nt) w4rma Apr 2016 #55
Those meddling voters are going to ruin the story Press Virginia Apr 2016 #67
Keep doing it, voters! :) (nt) w4rma Apr 2016 #69
Current numbers as of this posting: Clinton 1263 Sanders 1028.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #159
Yes, the voters have given her 1240 delegates to Bernie's 980 mcar Apr 2016 #145
Hardly "waaaay ahead" as was claimed Press Virginia Apr 2016 #147
Math mcar Apr 2016 #152
240 lead, 2000 remaining.....hmmmm. The math tells me there is Press Virginia Apr 2016 #155
..... Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #165
UNDER THE BUS with the democratic process? Hortensis Apr 2016 #66
Are we supposed to count the total votes received during the entire primary? Press Virginia Apr 2016 #77
Democratic process? frylock Apr 2016 #139
Half The Votes Are Yet To Be Cast... That Is A Fact... CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #135
What a silly statement Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #97
Hillary could actually draw a crowd in 2008 Press Virginia Apr 2016 #117
Technically Obama did not win the nomination without the supers either Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #120
Obama wasn't anointed before the first vote was cast Press Virginia Apr 2016 #131
Words like 'anointed' and 'inevitable' Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #142
Yes, let's pretend her campaign didn't plan to have the nomination Press Virginia Apr 2016 #143
I'm sure they wanted that Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #146
Wrapping up the supers is why Hillary is Press Virginia Apr 2016 #150
What?!!! Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #158
240 delegate lead with about 2000 up for grabs Press Virginia Apr 2016 #161
The supers have not done anything yet Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #163
Tell that to the people who keep talking about the math Press Virginia Apr 2016 #164
I would hope that President Taylor Swift would be a thoughtful leader, were that the case! MADem Apr 2016 #27
Oh come on ........ this morning it was Justin Bieber. polly7 Apr 2016 #28
Well, technically, Justin has the same problem Ted Cruz has. MADem Apr 2016 #41
Oh, snap! polly7 Apr 2016 #44
What do you expect from people with crowd envy? Their little tiny crowds just can't compare. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #45
I can understand that, I guess. polly7 Apr 2016 #52
Maybe they get them from senior centers. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #54
Fired up old people break a lot of hips Press Virginia Apr 2016 #62
LOL! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #68
They sure do. polly7 Apr 2016 #63
Good insight, they're afraid of change, lost the fire. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #72
"Stable" alan2102 Apr 2016 #109
You're right, and you said it much better than I could have. polly7 Apr 2016 #134
why is this alright? alan2102 Apr 2016 #172
Ya know, she was sooooooo close ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #31
That bird thing really bothered ya, dinnit. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #42
My god they hate that poor little thing. It's disturbing. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #46
Actually, I thought the "bird thing" ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #61
I have to agree with you noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #107
I haven't seen the clip. I also haven't seen it called a message from God or universe. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #125
LOL! MADem Apr 2016 #50
Ok, now that's just weird. nt. polly7 Apr 2016 #53
Apparently she likes birds....! MADem Apr 2016 #56
Even weirder. nt. polly7 Apr 2016 #64
Clinton supporters get it backwards... catnhatnh Apr 2016 #170
How do you know birds don't like Future President Swift? MADem Apr 2016 #171
And her supporters huge turnout at the caucuses. Their support for her is so impressive! jillan Apr 2016 #85
LOL! Hillary's Baghdad Bob Brock Nation Review. As reliable as 5 o'clock Charlie: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #3
I was sort of hoping they'd keep at it long enough to have a debate in my town ucrdem Apr 2016 #4
I don't think Bernie expected us to push back. nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #6
It's a little harder to prepare for a lie. But, lying is what Hillary does. w4rma Apr 2016 #58
Show me. nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #65
If by "us" you mean... MattSh Apr 2016 #90
@ fun n serious Angrydemex Apr 2016 #10
You created a newb just for me? nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #13
.... Angrydemex Apr 2016 #15
newb Gwhittey Apr 2016 #108
take the blue pill whirlygigspin Apr 2016 #16
Wow. Hillary has been attacked by Sanders and the GOP.. fun n serious Apr 2016 #19
Sanders has not been attacked?? thesquanderer Apr 2016 #116
It looks like that is ALL TRUE nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #140
"Peter Daou is a former adviser to Hillary Clinton..." bvf Apr 2016 #17
Or thepeeplespew! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #47
Here's a photo of Willem Dafoe to enjoy while bvf Apr 2016 #74
I LOVED him as Nosferatu! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #76
Thanks for the reminder! bvf Apr 2016 #88
This line was hysterical, they were discussing the novel 'Dracula' with the monster: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #93
Is this a piece from the Onion? bjo59 Apr 2016 #21
Do you realize what Blue Nation Review is? pat_k Apr 2016 #22
The delegate window isn't going to close until June 7. SheilaT Apr 2016 #23
It is disingenuous claims like yours about Clinton surrogates that is dividing the party. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #37
Huh? SheilaT Apr 2016 #40
No one said you must support Hillary because you're a woman. No one. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #48
There's a special place in hell for women who don't support women. SheilaT Apr 2016 #51
FFS. It's a feminist catch phrase. It is aimed at women like Cary Fiorina, who attacks abortion. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #59
It was aimed directly at women who weren't supporting Hillary. SheilaT Apr 2016 #82
That is certainly how some women took it and why Albright immediately apologized. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #168
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #111
Total MSM blackout? The only person with more Sunday airtime is Trump--and Sanders has gotten more MADem Apr 2016 #38
55 minutes for Bernie, 17 for Hillary Clinton. Hortensis Apr 2016 #70
Those are appearances--usually longer than a minute. MADem Apr 2016 #79
Whoops. Bernie GUEST 55 times, HRC 17 times! Hortensis Apr 2016 #81
No biggie. It does put paid to the contention that BS doesn't get any media attention, though. MADem Apr 2016 #89
Hillary has less time Politicalboi Apr 2016 #160
#SandersSlanders certainly has my attention! SunSeeker Apr 2016 #32
How many times a day do I have to see this lying fuck worshipped by the Tiger Beat crowd? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #35
But, he's their liar. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2016 #100
Poor baby Politicalboi Apr 2016 #162
LOL mhatrw Apr 2016 #39
Her own press release site says so, so you know it's true! Marr Apr 2016 #49
Bluenationreview: The first media website purchased... dchill Apr 2016 #57
Yeah, I'd trust Faux News more than anything from that Hillary hack site jfern Apr 2016 #75
So they get fired up on hate, huh? senz Apr 2016 #60
It's time for a backlash to David Brock jfern Apr 2016 #71
“a bit nutty and a bit slutty”. polly7 Apr 2016 #83
There's a special place in hell hootinholler Apr 2016 #91
As someone who's been through it and accused of the same nutty, slutty and other things polly7 Apr 2016 #148
Bluenationreview=clintonownedmedia. nt MaeScott Apr 2016 #73
I misread that at first but it fits Mnpaul Apr 2016 #92
Brock bought BNR in a hostile takeover. Fired all the progressive writers. Hired propagandists. w4rma Apr 2016 #78
It's hard to make that case now fun n serious Apr 2016 #84
I think you are either seeing or saying what you want others to believe. (nt) w4rma Apr 2016 #86
How about New York Times? fun n serious Apr 2016 #87
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #112
Projection is still a thing. And verging on hypocrisy. eom Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #80
The campaign that has to buy facebook 'likes' is fired up!! Scuba Apr 2016 #94
Are you awake? Look around. Something happened. nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #95
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #113
A whole 5000 shares for this piece Mnpaul Apr 2016 #129
Well I'm sure it's true. David Brock has never seen Clinton supporters so fired up. Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #96
I've heard the Hillary campaign described many ways, but "fired up" has never been one of them. Vinca Apr 2016 #98
Shouldn't there be a link to the onion in this OP? smiley Apr 2016 #99
The Onion is also owned by a Hillary partisan Paulie Apr 2016 #105
Propaganda noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #101
Projection and spin. Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #104
LOL MuseRider Apr 2016 #106
How sad. A renown dishonest employee has to try to generate Jarqui Apr 2016 #110
it would actually be a more-credible post if you just posted your own opinion, with?without facts... islandmkl Apr 2016 #114
Lol EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #115
Lol not where I am ibegurpard Apr 2016 #118
Yep - time they bring all those young Bernie supporters to heal. #ButItsMYTurn!! jmg257 Apr 2016 #119
David Brock bullshit. May as well post a National Enquirer link. pinebox Apr 2016 #121
I have to check a Baghdad Bob clip to see if this BNR piece is crazier than the master... GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #122
When part of your appeal is: a) "I won't go negative"; and b) "I tell the truth," an untrue neg. att riversedge Apr 2016 #123
Oh, goody. More putridity from David Brock. Trash. mak3cats Apr 2016 #124
Maybe, but certainly not all 300 of them. nt NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #127
LOL! Pot, Kettle. noamnety Apr 2016 #128
Propaganda nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #130
Bernie is running a campaign of lies in a desperate last gasp. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #132
This is just precious. Talk about a hail mary. n/t Avalux Apr 2016 #133
#brocksplanationreview frylock Apr 2016 #136
This message was self-deleted by its author azmom Apr 2016 #138
K&R mcar Apr 2016 #144
Oh Peter Daou...yeah that gets me fired up Armstead Apr 2016 #149
Blue Nation Review is just a propaganda site owned by her super-PAC revbones Apr 2016 #151
Gotta love when Clinton's own newspaper gives her positive coverage basselope Apr 2016 #153
What a bunch of shit Politicalboi Apr 2016 #154
Who wrote this, George Orwell? Z_California Apr 2016 #156
I’ve Never Seen Hillary’s Supporters This Fired Up RazBerryBeret Apr 2016 #157
I am phonebanking today because of the rain so no Canvassing for me today. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #167
Do you realize how aptly that statement bvf Apr 2016 #169
 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
2. Crowds are not votes...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:18 AM
Apr 2016

? It's possible those crowds are being bused in. A lot of odd things in this campaign

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
5. But they're all fired up for Hil, out in force and all that.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:23 AM
Apr 2016

meanwhile Bill is playing to a crowd of 40 and Hillary can't fill small venues.

Fired up!

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
12. Are you referring to Bernie's crowds being...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:29 AM
Apr 2016

Bussed in?

Whatever...complete falacy.

Btw...BNR stands for Brock Nefarious Racket

frylock

(34,825 posts)
137. How are the busses even able to move, what with the likes of Delores Huerta and Rachel Maddow..
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:03 PM
Apr 2016

having been chucked underneath?

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
126. Jury results
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:03 AM
Apr 2016

I was #5 so posting this for transparency for your sake but I obviously voted to hide (full disclosure). I just do my best to post every jury I'm on that's not a hide so people know. I'm a teacher, my son will be a special ed teacher in a year, and my daughter is a social worker. I am surrounded by people that know this type of insult needs to go away.

On Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:43 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

That's a helluva lot of short buses .... nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1629790

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is disgusting. The comment refers to a Hillary supporter who said that maybe Sanders supporters are "bused in" to his campaign rally's. To accuse Sanders supporters of riding "short buses" is literally saying they are special needs people and or mentally handicapped. Please hide this.
Thank you.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:49 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If you are insulted by that, you need thicker skin.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Ugly connotations in that statement. Hillary supporters are "special needs" voter? No, I don't think so, so I'm voting to hide this.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What a stupid alert. Wasted jury time on this one.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Somebody needs to pay attention to the "I'm not a retard" campaign and look elsewhere for insults other than to attack the differently abled.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Short bus? Grow up.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

NanceGreggs

(27,820 posts)
7. Unfortunately for Bernie ...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:24 AM
Apr 2016

... no delegates are awarded on the basis of Most Well-Attended Rallies, Most Bumperstickers/Yard Signs, Most Frequent Winner in On-Line Polls, etc.

Hillary is pulling in huge crowds where it counts - at the polls.

NanceGreggs

(27,820 posts)
18. Are you new to this process?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:37 AM
Apr 2016

Or are you new to politics, period?

Delegates are awarded based on the number of votes cast by actual voters. Hillary has waaaaay more delegates than Bernie as a direct result of actual votes cast.

The super-delegates have nothing to do with HRC's numbers at this point.

Is this really news to you?

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
29. Hahahahaha! You can pretend it's the voters if you want
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:50 AM
Apr 2016

But they've given her 1240 delegates to Bernie's 980


 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
34. Delegates awarded by actual voting give her a total of 1240
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:57 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie has 980 delegates based on votes.

How's that "waaaaay ahead"?

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
159. Current numbers as of this posting: Clinton 1263 Sanders 1028....
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

I know Hillary supporters are still claiming she's got double his numbers, is universally loved (except by the Republicans and the hated "Bernie Bros&quot

Many superdelegates pledged prior to Bernie announcing and many will flip their votes just like the last time.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
155. 240 lead, 2000 remaining.....hmmmm. The math tells me there is
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:44 PM
Apr 2016

ample opportunity to win.

the claim was the supers had nothing to do with t.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
66. UNDER THE BUS with the democratic process?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:31 AM
Apr 2016

Even the majority will counts for nothing if it isn't for your candidate?

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
77. Are we supposed to count the total votes received during the entire primary?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:40 AM
Apr 2016

here I thought it was based on the majority in the individual states.

HRC could lead by 1billion votes but she's only got 1240 delegates to Bernie's 980

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
97. What a silly statement
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:32 AM
Apr 2016

Hilary is about 228 delegates ahead if you count ONLY the ELECTED delegates - i.e., delegates elected by the people.

For comparison: Barack Obama was never ahead of her by more than about 150 in 2008, and he won the nomination. Neither won the total delegates with superdelegates included, but because Obama was ahead in PLEDGED (elected) delegates, Hillary released her delegates for him and he won by acclamation. The most likely scenario this time around is that she will end the primary race with a few hundred elected delegates ahead of Bernie.

The only one in the race who wants to win by superdelegates is Bernie, since he is claiming that Hillary's elected delegates majority shouldn't count. At least, that's been his argument this week.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
117. Hillary could actually draw a crowd in 2008
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:04 AM
Apr 2016

Without the Supers she won't win the nomination

Well the supers and more old white people

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
120. Technically Obama did not win the nomination without the supers either
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:24 AM
Apr 2016

But you Bernie folks have to choose: either supers count, or they don't.

If they DON'T count, Hillary still wins on pledged delegates alone, just like Obama did in 2008, and she'll probably win by a larger number, since she is already ahead by more than he ever was, and is likely to win the majority of delegates in New York, PA, NJ, and California.

Now, if SD's DO count, then Hillary is already ahead by around 700, and has pretty much already won.

The reality is that Bernie is not winning either the majority pledged delegates or getting the majority support of the SD's. Although he is now saying that the SD's should vote for him anyway, after claiming for most of the primary season that they should not support the candidate with fewer pledged delegates. FLIP...FLOP...

Oh, and we don't elect our nominee or the president based on crowd size. Did you see the large crowds Romney drew up 2012? 'Nuff said.


 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
131. Obama wasn't anointed before the first vote was cast
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:47 PM
Apr 2016

i believe the word inevitable was used in reference to all the primaries she would win to Bernie's 2

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
142. Words like 'anointed' and 'inevitable'
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:24 PM
Apr 2016

were primarily used by Hillary's opponents and not by her or her campaign.

If those terms are what your argument rests on, then it's a pretty weak argument.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
146. I'm sure they wanted that
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:35 PM
Apr 2016

But they never claimed that she was inevitable. And Hilary's been down this road before - she knows very well how this can end even for a presumptive frontrunner.

In any case, what does that have to do with your silly assertion that she will only win because of the superdelegates? That is simply not true. It is Bernie who wants the superdelegates to vote for him regardless of the vote count.

Your "arguments" make no sense.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
150. Wrapping up the supers is why Hillary is
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:39 PM
Apr 2016

in the position she's in.
The voters certainly aren't going her way in the same proportion.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
158. What?!!!
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:53 PM
Apr 2016

She is ahead in PLEDGED delegates. Do you even know what that means? It means she is ahead in the number of delegates that are chosen by the people. She is in fact so far ahead in pledged delegates that it is virtually impossible for Bernie to catch up.

To put it to you in simple language: your candidate is losing and is extremely unlikely to catch up. End of story.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
161. 240 delegate lead with about 2000 up for grabs
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:57 PM
Apr 2016

the voters aren't going her way in the same proportion as the supers

People who are posting about "math" should be able to admit it's the supers who have put her where she is

MADem

(135,425 posts)
27. I would hope that President Taylor Swift would be a thoughtful leader, were that the case!
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:48 AM
Apr 2016

Isn't she "The People's Choice?"

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MADem

(135,425 posts)
41. Well, technically, Justin has the same problem Ted Cruz has.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:08 AM
Apr 2016

Born in Canada of Canadian parents!

polly7

(20,582 posts)
52. I can understand that, I guess.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:17 AM
Apr 2016

The crowds I saw were pretty thin ........ mostly reporters at some. Not a lot of enthusiasm - the people at one looked like they'd been bussed in straight from a funeral. The still shots were even a bit spooky.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
54. Maybe they get them from senior centers.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:20 AM
Apr 2016

Her supporters here so seem to be of the GET OFF MY LAWN demographic.

They can't stand millenials and mock them constantly.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
63. They sure do.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:28 AM
Apr 2016

It doesn't seem like they share the same concerns at all - like, the future of the planet, living wages, health-care, environment, war. I think many older people are living very fulfilling and stable lives, maybe they just can't understand how afraid younger people are. And maybe again, some just don't give a shit and have to resort to all sorts of slurs and mockery. Arrogant, cruel and dismissive.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
72. Good insight, they're afraid of change, lost the fire.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:37 AM
Apr 2016

They resent the kids who are turning out in droves for Bernie, their hope and energy so they sneer at them. Its ugly.

 

alan2102

(75 posts)
109. "Stable"
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:10 AM
Apr 2016

"many older people are living very fulfilling and stable lives"

Right. "Stable" = LOTS OF MONEY.

This is largely a class issue, the 10% versus the 90%. HRC is the candidate of the wealthy 10%, the people who make (or MADE, for many years) 100K/year incomes, with assets to match. It is a tidy little club, and they want nothing to interfere with their personal gravy train.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
134. You're right, and you said it much better than I could have.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:56 PM
Apr 2016


I have quite a few cousins, aunts and uncles and friends living in the U.S. I talk to. Some are probably one serious illness or accident away from being wiped out. I just don't understand there, or here for that matter, how it's acceptable for so many to have so little - in terms of safety nets, basic human needs such as health-care, a living wage, etc. .... while so few have so much - earned on the backs, or at the expense, of those trying to just get by.

Why is this alright for so many here??

 

alan2102

(75 posts)
172. why is this alright?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 05:03 PM
Apr 2016

"Why is this alright for so many here??"

The class issue runs deep and no one wants to discuss it... especially not rich HRC/Obama/etc supporters, i.e. corporate "Democrats", who like to fancy themselves as "progressives", but who have near-zero substance when it comes to this 900-lb gorilla in the room -- the class structure and socioeconomic immobility of American society, and indeed the world. And when you're raking-in $4-5 grand per month on social security (max SS x 2 in household), plus the equivalent or more from a pension -- typical HRC "liberals" -- why bring up uncomfortable subjects like class? Just enjoy the Lexus, the vacations, the summer cottage, etc... and campaign for corporate "Democrats" as a feel-good kinda thing. "Look at us! We're soooo much better than those awful Republicans!" The boomers may be the worst generation ever; and I speak reluctantly, AS a boomer (in terms of date of birth).



NanceGreggs

(27,820 posts)
31. Ya know, she was sooooooo close ...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:52 AM
Apr 2016

But her numbers just didn't pan out in the Bumperstickers/Yard Signs category, and she's had ZERO birds land on stage while performing.

As a result, she won't be the nominee.

NanceGreggs

(27,820 posts)
61. Actually, I thought the "bird thing" ...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:26 AM
Apr 2016

... was a lovely moment.

But then people started calling it a sign from god, a signal from the universe, etc.

Then it wasn't lovely anymore - it got turned into someting silly.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
107. I have to agree with you
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:01 AM
Apr 2016

on the bird. It WAS a lovely moment, as you say, but I agree some people have really carried it too far.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
125. I haven't seen the clip. I also haven't seen it called a message from God or universe.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:57 AM
Apr 2016

I can sure understand why it bothers you though; your bunch is starting to collectively look like an angry bear. Every poke elicits a strong reaction because your opinion is you should already be celebrating the nomination and it's historic significance but yain't and it's beginning to sink in that there's a possibility you never will.

That's gotta suck. The difference between us is that Sanders' supporters are optimistic because there's nowhere to go but up. Your group is angry because there's nowhere for Hillary to go but down and she's already begun the descent.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
170. Clinton supporters get it backwards...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:32 PM
Apr 2016

It ain't about Bernie liking birds-It's about birds liking Bernie...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
171. How do you know birds don't like Future President Swift?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:42 PM
Apr 2016

After all, her last NAME is that of a bird.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
4. I was sort of hoping they'd keep at it long enough to have a debate in my town
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:21 AM
Apr 2016

which is an idea my congressman is working on but at this point the contest has devolved into a pointless battle royale which is going to keep sucking cash out of people's pockets and damaging our eventual nominee, so I think it's time to throw in the towel and switch to surrogate mode for ahem, whoever has the least delegates.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
58. It's a little harder to prepare for a lie. But, lying is what Hillary does.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:24 AM
Apr 2016

And every news article that I've read explains how she lied. It's only her most diehard supporters who are defending her lie.

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
90. If by "us" you mean...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:01 AM
Apr 2016

Wall Street Billionaires, yeah, Bernie knew they'd be pushing back.

They stole what they got fair and square, and they ain't going to give it back willingly.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
108. newb
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:02 AM
Apr 2016

ie noob. Not sure how or why or what this is suppose to relate to the post. But I think it is because they are all in vapors over this

whirlygigspin

(3,803 posts)
16. take the blue pill
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:33 AM
Apr 2016

"running the most positive campaign of the 2016 cycle" --ah yes, I see the positive vision here everyday.

I would take everything written above and just reverse it, then I think you would have a closer grasp of reality.

The author was some sort of consultant to the John Kerry campaign, he is apparently attempting the 'hit them on their strengths" 'swiftboating' type spin. Some do indeed seem condemned to fight yesterday's war.

He should perhaps try to reflect instead of project, then he might just find the truth of his own words.

thesquanderer

(11,996 posts)
116. Sanders has not been attacked??
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:02 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:38 AM - Edit history (1)

Hillary has said he was against bailing out the auto industry, he's in favor of vigilantes, he's going to take away your medicare, he's cozy with the koch brothers, and then there was the one about the "foreword" he wrote -- and that's just from Hillary's own mouth. It doesn't count the stuff put forth by her campaign, insinuating that he's sexist, racist, wasn't really the person in the old pictures (point being to cast doubt on his civil rights bona fides)...

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
17. "Peter Daou is a former adviser to Hillary Clinton..."
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:33 AM
Apr 2016

You're not even trying.

Maybe you should see what's up at, oh, say, dailynewsbin.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
93. This line was hysterical, they were discussing the novel 'Dracula' with the monster:
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:14 AM
Apr 2016
Max Schreck: It made me sad.

Albin: Why sad?

Max Schreck: Because Dracula had no servants.

Albin: I think you missed the point of the book, Count Orlock.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
22. Do you realize what Blue Nation Review is?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:41 AM
Apr 2016

Blue Nation Review serves as a Correct the Record platform. Correct the Record is a PAC that works closely with the Clinton campaign.

From wikipedia:

Blue Nation Review is a news website owned by journalist and political activist David Brock...


From FactCheck.org:

David Brock, the creator of the liberal website Media Matters, is the founder of Correct the Record...

Unlike other independent-expenditure only super PACs, which are prohibited by the Federal Election Commission from coordinating with campaigns or political parties, Correct the Record plans to work closely with the Clinton campaign. That’s because, the group says, it does not plan to spend money to run ads. Instead, the PAC intends to use its website and social media platforms to counter claims made about Clinton.


FactCheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center






 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
23. The delegate window isn't going to close until June 7.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:41 AM
Apr 2016

Really, it won't.

The writing on the wall is that Bernie is doing far better than ever anticipated, even with a nearly total MSM blackout.

As for uniting the party, what exactly is Hillary doing in that department? She has surrogates that tell women there's a special place in hell for them if they don't support the woman, just because she's a woman, and that's uniting? Really?

SunSeeker

(51,749 posts)
37. It is disingenuous claims like yours about Clinton surrogates that is dividing the party.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:03 AM
Apr 2016

I assume you are referring the one Clinton surrogate (and there is only one, not multiple "surrogates&quot , Madeline Albright, who said "There is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women." That is her catch phrase, and has been repeated by a lot of other women over the years. It is even on coffee mugs. Albrights has been saying that feminist phrase for years, and she did not mean that women who support Sanders will burn in hell. When she realized that is how her phrase was interpreted when she said it while supporting Clinton, she immediately apologized and has not used it since. But you knew that.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
40. Huh?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:07 AM
Apr 2016

So the party isn't really divided, and we're in a regular primary season where two candidates are battling it out, right? The fact that one of them is a woman, and that Madeline Albright and Gloria Steinem have said nasty things about women who don't support Hillary just doesn't matter, right?

Oh, good, I'm glad we're clear on that. Because saying that I must support Hillary because she's a woman is genuinely offensive, but obviously you get that, and you agree that we each must support the candidate we personally think is the best choice.

I support Bernie.

SheilaT. White female, age 67.

(Which means I ought to be a Hillary fan but I'm not. Wasn't in 2008, haven't been this go around.)

SunSeeker

(51,749 posts)
48. No one said you must support Hillary because you're a woman. No one.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:12 AM
Apr 2016

No Clinton surrogate has said "nasty thing about women."

Your desperate attempt to create that straw man is dividing our party.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
51. There's a special place in hell for women who don't support women.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:17 AM
Apr 2016

I take it that's not at all nasty, and that Madeline Albright wasn't a surrogate for Clinton. My bad. But then what was she talking about, and was she a surrogate for someone else? Please enlighten me.

And quite frankly, it's the Hillary people saying that Bernie is done and must pull out of the race, which they've been saying since March 1st, who are dividing the party.

He won't win any states.

He'll win New Hampshire but no other states.

He won't survive beyond Super Tuesday.

Michigan doesn't count.

Alaska, Hawaii, and Washington are all white rural states and they don't count.

Really?

SunSeeker

(51,749 posts)
59. FFS. It's a feminist catch phrase. It is aimed at women like Cary Fiorina, who attacks abortion.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:24 AM
Apr 2016

And Bernie is done. It is math. Maybe if his supporters understood that, they wouldn't employ scorched earth tactics against Hillary supporters, like swarming the Facebook pages of civil rights icons.



 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
82. It was aimed directly at women who weren't supporting Hillary.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:51 AM
Apr 2016

Don't kid yourself on that. It was NOT aimed at Carly Fiorina, but at women like me who are capable of thinking independently, and who with that independent thinking have decided that Hillary Clinton is not the candidate I support.

FFS.

SunSeeker

(51,749 posts)
168. That is certainly how some women took it and why Albright immediately apologized.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:53 PM
Apr 2016

That was one poorly timed statement by one surrogate. Albright tends to say that as a closing line in her speeches, which usually center on poor women empowering each other around the world, usually are not campaign events, and tends to garner lots of applause--which I assume is why she likes to use it to close out her speeches. Unfortunately, she used it at the end of her remarks at a Hillary campaign event, and it was taken badly by some Sanders supporters. But you seem intent on making it more than it was, and applying a nefarious intent not only to her but to all Hillary surrogates.

It was certainly not aimed at women who are "capable of thinking independently," since that would include all Hillary supporters as well, but you apparently think Hillary supporters are incapable of thinking independently. That is a pretty nasty insinuation you make about Hillary supporters. I suggest you look in the mirror before accusing Clinton surrogates of saying "nasty things about women."

Response to SunSeeker (Reply #59)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
38. Total MSM blackout? The only person with more Sunday airtime is Trump--and Sanders has gotten more
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:04 AM
Apr 2016

"video" time (Trump likes to call in).




Keep in mind, this graph tracks tv appearance for OVER A YEAR--we're not just talking recently.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
70. 55 minutes for Bernie, 17 for Hillary Clinton.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:35 AM
Apr 2016

If you look at only on-air time, not phone interview, Bernie has been on a lot more even than Donald Trump.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
79. Those are appearances--usually longer than a minute.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:46 AM
Apr 2016

He's been a guest 55 times, HRC 17 times.....

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
81. Whoops. Bernie GUEST 55 times, HRC 17 times!
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:49 AM
Apr 2016

Sorry. Should have looked up what that graph was saying.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
89. No biggie. It does put paid to the contention that BS doesn't get any media attention, though.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 05:12 AM
Apr 2016

He's gotten more than THREE TIMES the "free air time" than she has. He's the one who has gotten the most FACE time on the air of all the candidates. Trump has gotten more total time, but much of that was "call in" with no opportunity to put eyes on the candidate.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
160. Hillary has less time
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:55 PM
Apr 2016

Because they ask questions she doesn't want to answer. She can only keep so many lies going at once, and if she gets more air time, it could get messy for her.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
35. How many times a day do I have to see this lying fuck worshipped by the Tiger Beat crowd?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:00 AM
Apr 2016

I don't know what kind of head injury would need to befall me to get me to the unfortunate point of copy-and-pasting the words of a confirmed lying piece of shit. He was a lying piece of shit for the Republican Party. Now he's a lying piece of shit in the service of Hillary Clinton.

Guess what stays the same? He's a lying piece of shit.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
100. But, he's their liar.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:48 AM
Apr 2016

Therefore the fact that that place is a sham, a front for pro Hillarian bull, and a means to spew even more lies into the ether must be ignored. If they repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.

Say, wasn't Hillary up by 23 pts in Wisconsin? What ever happened to Little Miss Inevitable?

dchill

(38,569 posts)
57. Bluenationreview: The first media website purchased...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:23 AM
Apr 2016

with the express intent of prevaricating and libeling a candidate's way into the Oval Office.

Congrats on a huge fail of an OP!

jfern

(5,204 posts)
71. It's time for a backlash to David Brock
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:36 AM
Apr 2016

I will never vote for a candidate who associates with David Brocki.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
148. As someone who's been through it and accused of the same nutty, slutty and other things
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:35 PM
Apr 2016

while having my face smashed in .......... he sickens me.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
78. Brock bought BNR in a hostile takeover. Fired all the progressive writers. Hired propagandists.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:43 AM
Apr 2016

Back in the summer of 2014—when Blue Nation Review was a fledgling blog dedicated to creating “a place where progressives can debate where we want to be as a movement,” per the website’s mission statement—it treated Sanders as a liberal hero.

In December 2013, Moko’s then-CEO, a hot-tempered Australian named Ian Rodwell, had recruited former Democratic Senate staffer and political operative Jimmy Williams, a frequent cable news talking head, to launch the blog as editor in chief from a newsroom in Alexandria, Virginia.

According to sources familiar with BNR, the blunt-spoken Williams, a Hillary Clinton supporter, frequently clashed with Rodwell over editorial issues, engaging in epic, profanity-laced shouting matches in the newsroom.

Finally, early last fall, Williams enlisted millionaire media entrepreneur and philanthropist Leo Hindery, another member of Team Clinton and a member of Moko’s board of directors, to help him wrest BNR out of Rodwell’s hands.

Hindery, a major donor to Democratic causes, naturally steered the sale to Brock, who in a late-November meeting with Williams in the lobby of a Manhattan hotel informed the founder of BNR that most of his staff would be dismissed and his services were no longer required.

Brock installed as CEO of True Blue Media a longtime Democratic operative named Peter Daou, a diehard Hillary loyalist who had worked in her Senate office and 2008 presidential campaign. Daou declined to comment for this story.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/07/hillary-clinton-s-hit-men-target-bernie-sanders-at-blue-nation-review.html

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
84. It's hard to make that case now
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:01 AM
Apr 2016

MSM and many others are reporting Shady dealings.. I am surprised you don't see it. Maddow, Capehart, Mother Jones, They all go under the bus. Only Bernie is pure...

Response to fun n serious (Reply #87)

Response to fun n serious (Reply #95)

Vinca

(50,319 posts)
98. I've heard the Hillary campaign described many ways, but "fired up" has never been one of them.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:36 AM
Apr 2016

"Resigned" is more like it. You look at photos of her events and it looks like a wake. Maybe that's why her speeches evolve into yelling . . . she's trying to wake them up.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
101. Propaganda
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:52 AM
Apr 2016

Wow. They have to resort to putting out propaganda to try to motivate Clinton supporters to be enthusiastic.

MuseRider

(34,135 posts)
106. LOL
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:00 AM
Apr 2016

Why now? Ahhhh, because he got some momentum and she is looking kinda like she might not be so inevitable?

It is all about the race.

No excitement when it was about policy. No excitement when it was about her amazing brain/heart/plans for the future.

I am not seeing fired up but hey, I am a Bernie person and I have seen fired up before and please don't tell me those were Hillary people trying to confuse us. LOL.

EDIT to add: I just read the whole thread. BNR really? Well I don't know what their def is of fired up but since it is a Brock outlet it is whatever he thinks it is at whatever point it will help the Hill. So....nope.

Jarqui

(10,131 posts)
110. How sad. A renown dishonest employee has to try to generate
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:11 AM
Apr 2016

enthusiasm by getting someone at his website to write about enthusiasm that doesn't exist.

Enthusiasm for Clinton is way down from 2008.

Look at the picture they provide as evidence with the article ... 36 people ...


Her crowds are typically smaller than Bernies by a noticeable margin which is a harsh reflection of the lack of enthusiasm of her base.

And don't mistake the number of votes generated by dishonestly and bias in the mainstream media for enthusiasm. A lot of people have been wrongfully told for about a year she's the only one who has a chance to win the general election. So a bunch are holding their nose and supporting a candidate they do not trust to support the party and policies they believe in.

You do not have to have fake blog sites you own write such drivel if your campaign has real enthusiasm.

It's just another confession from the candidate that they cannot win this election without deceiving voters. It's the Clinton way and the only way they know because they cannot win with the truth.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
114. it would actually be a more-credible post if you just posted your own opinion, with?without facts...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:25 AM
Apr 2016

as opposed to posting some Brock propaganda and thinking it is some kind of 'think piece'....

if Brock actually had some 'revelation' or 'divine realization' about how big a piece of shit he was when he was a Republican hitman, that awareness was only that HE COULD DO IT FOR THE OTHER SIDE, TOO!!

so now he's Hillary's POS...and her supporters have no problem overlooking what he is as a person because he's on their side...

fucking pathetic lengths to go to just to get that fucking golden ring that has the keys to the White House...

too bad Lee Atwater is dead, they could use his style, too...HIS revelation came on his deathbed...Brock's came via a phone call...

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
122. I have to check a Baghdad Bob clip to see if this BNR piece is crazier than the master...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:48 AM
Apr 2016


I give the win to Blue Nation Review.

riversedge

(70,359 posts)
123. When part of your appeal is: a) "I won't go negative"; and b) "I tell the truth," an untrue neg. att
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:55 AM
Apr 2016





Paul Begala Verified account
?@PaulBegala

When part of your appeal is: a) "I won't go negative"; and b) "I tell the truth," an untrue neg. attack hurts more.
http://wapo.st/1St6VK0




Paul Begala Verified account
?@PaulBegala

When part of your appeal is: a) "I won't go negative"; and b) "I tell the truth," an untrue neg. attack hurts more. http://wapo.st/1St6VK0


Paul is right. Bernie speaks one and then turns around and goes negative--and worse





By Glenn Kessler April 2 at 3:00 AM





Three Pinnochios for @BernieSanders Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!






...............There’s a further problem with this calculation. Greenpeace counts all of the money raised or contributed by lobbyists as “oil/gas industry” funds, but these lobbyists have many other clients besides the oil industry. Ben Klein, one of the lobbyists highlighted in the Greenpeace report, also lobbies for American Airlines, Cigna, and Hearst, according to the lobbying disclosure database, so in theory his contributions to the Clinton campaign could also be labeled as funds for airline, insurance or media industry.
.....

The Sanders campaign is exaggerating the contributions that Clinton has received from the oil and gas industry. In the context of her overall campaign, the contributions are hardly significant. It’s especially misleading to count all of the funds raised by lobbyists with multiple clients as money “given” by the fossil-fuel industry.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/02/fact-checking-the-clinton-sanders-spat-over-big-oil-contributions/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-politics%3Ahomepage%2Fcard
 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
128. LOL! Pot, Kettle.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:19 AM
Apr 2016

"But rather than go positive and unite the party, they’ve clearly decided to spend the money they’ve raised and traverse the path of maximum negativity"



Response to fun n serious (Original post)

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
151. Blue Nation Review is just a propaganda site owned by her super-PAC
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016

and not credible in the slightest.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
154. What a bunch of shit
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:44 PM
Apr 2016

"Rejecting Bernie’s GOP-style tactics"

They don't know a progressive when they see one. The Hillary supporters are just like the GOP voters. They accept the lies and don't care about anything else. They are a sad bunch for sure.

Z_California

(650 posts)
156. Who wrote this, George Orwell?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:46 PM
Apr 2016

Oh wait "Blue Nation Review". Got it.

"GOP-style tactics". Absolutely disgusting bullshit.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
167. I am phonebanking today because of the rain so no Canvassing for me today.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:45 PM
Apr 2016

Doing my little bit for Hillary.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
169. Do you realize how aptly that statement
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:21 PM
Apr 2016

belies the ridiculous propaganda of the OP?

FIRED UP!!

Oh, wait. It's raining. Never mind...


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