2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBERNIE BACKLASH: I’ve Never Seen Hillary’s Supporters This Fired Up
Bernies last hurrah, his all-out attempt to knock Hillary down before the pledged delegate window closes permanently this month, is not having the intended consequences.
Hillarys supporters are out in force today, rejecting Bernies GOP-style tactics and standing up for the candidate who is running the most positive campaign of the 2016 cycle.
Bernie and his campaign aides know he isnt winning, but they wont tell his supporters. I was there in 2008 during the closing days of Hillarys campaign. I saw how the math was calculated and I know that most voters arent privy to the intricacies of delegate calculation, internal polling and demographic projection and extrapolation.
Bernie sees the writing on the wall. So do his senior advisers. But rather than go positive and unite the party, theyve clearly decided to spend the money theyve raised and traverse the path of maximum negativity the path that conservatives have tried and failed with Hillary.
http://bluenationreview.com/never-seen-hillarys-supporters-this-fired-up/
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)fill up half the room.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)? It's possible those crowds are being bused in. A lot of odd things in this campaign
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)meanwhile Bill is playing to a crowd of 40 and Hillary can't fill small venues.
Fired up!
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)the party insiders are
PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)All I see from Camp Hillary is voter suppression and howling at the Moon.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Bussed in?
Whatever...complete falacy.
Btw...BNR stands for Brock Nefarious Racket
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)LoveIsNow
(356 posts)Where is this giant fleet of busses?
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)it's half full
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)having been chucked underneath?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Jennylynn
(696 posts)Every time I see the pics of the crowds he's getting it blows my mind. Every time.
salinsky
(1,065 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)I was #5 so posting this for transparency for your sake but I obviously voted to hide (full disclosure). I just do my best to post every jury I'm on that's not a hide so people know. I'm a teacher, my son will be a special ed teacher in a year, and my daughter is a social worker. I am surrounded by people that know this type of insult needs to go away.
That's a helluva lot of short buses .... nt
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This is disgusting. The comment refers to a Hillary supporter who said that maybe Sanders supporters are "bused in" to his campaign rally's. To accuse Sanders supporters of riding "short buses" is literally saying they are special needs people and or mentally handicapped. Please hide this.
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NanceGreggs
(27,820 posts)... no delegates are awarded on the basis of Most Well-Attended Rallies, Most Bumperstickers/Yard Signs, Most Frequent Winner in On-Line Polls, etc.
Hillary is pulling in huge crowds where it counts - at the polls.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Let's not pretend it's the actual voters.
NanceGreggs
(27,820 posts)Or are you new to politics, period?
Delegates are awarded based on the number of votes cast by actual voters. Hillary has waaaaay more delegates than Bernie as a direct result of actual votes cast.
The super-delegates have nothing to do with HRC's numbers at this point.
Is this really news to you?
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,820 posts)You do strike me as someone who is easily amused.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)So where's this insurmountable lead given to her by the voters?
NanceGreggs
(27,820 posts)The political process IS all news to you.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)But they've given her 1240 delegates to Bernie's 980
NanceGreggs
(27,820 posts)Are you really this politically uninformed? Really?
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Bernie has 980 delegates based on votes.
How's that "waaaaay ahead"?
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)that someone was trying to sell
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)I know Hillary supporters are still claiming she's got double his numbers, is universally loved (except by the Republicans and the hated "Bernie Bros"
Many superdelegates pledged prior to Bernie announcing and many will flip their votes just like the last time.
mcar
(42,420 posts)Thank you for clarifying that.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)mcar
(42,420 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)ample opportunity to win.
the claim was the supers had nothing to do with t.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Even the majority will counts for nothing if it isn't for your candidate?
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)here I thought it was based on the majority in the individual states.
HRC could lead by 1billion votes but she's only got 1240 delegates to Bernie's 980
frylock
(34,825 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Listen to This....
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Hilary is about 228 delegates ahead if you count ONLY the ELECTED delegates - i.e., delegates elected by the people.
For comparison: Barack Obama was never ahead of her by more than about 150 in 2008, and he won the nomination. Neither won the total delegates with superdelegates included, but because Obama was ahead in PLEDGED (elected) delegates, Hillary released her delegates for him and he won by acclamation. The most likely scenario this time around is that she will end the primary race with a few hundred elected delegates ahead of Bernie.
The only one in the race who wants to win by superdelegates is Bernie, since he is claiming that Hillary's elected delegates majority shouldn't count. At least, that's been his argument this week.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Without the Supers she won't win the nomination
Well the supers and more old white people
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)But you Bernie folks have to choose: either supers count, or they don't.
If they DON'T count, Hillary still wins on pledged delegates alone, just like Obama did in 2008, and she'll probably win by a larger number, since she is already ahead by more than he ever was, and is likely to win the majority of delegates in New York, PA, NJ, and California.
Now, if SD's DO count, then Hillary is already ahead by around 700, and has pretty much already won.
The reality is that Bernie is not winning either the majority pledged delegates or getting the majority support of the SD's. Although he is now saying that the SD's should vote for him anyway, after claiming for most of the primary season that they should not support the candidate with fewer pledged delegates. FLIP...FLOP...
Oh, and we don't elect our nominee or the president based on crowd size. Did you see the large crowds Romney drew up 2012? 'Nuff said.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)i believe the word inevitable was used in reference to all the primaries she would win to Bernie's 2
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)were primarily used by Hillary's opponents and not by her or her campaign.
If those terms are what your argument rests on, then it's a pretty weak argument.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)wrapped up in March.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)But they never claimed that she was inevitable. And Hilary's been down this road before - she knows very well how this can end even for a presumptive frontrunner.
In any case, what does that have to do with your silly assertion that she will only win because of the superdelegates? That is simply not true. It is Bernie who wants the superdelegates to vote for him regardless of the vote count.
Your "arguments" make no sense.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)in the position she's in.
The voters certainly aren't going her way in the same proportion.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)She is ahead in PLEDGED delegates. Do you even know what that means? It means she is ahead in the number of delegates that are chosen by the people. She is in fact so far ahead in pledged delegates that it is virtually impossible for Bernie to catch up.
To put it to you in simple language: your candidate is losing and is extremely unlikely to catch up. End of story.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)the voters aren't going her way in the same proportion as the supers
People who are posting about "math" should be able to admit it's the supers who have put her where she is
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Her delegate lead of 228 does not count the supers.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)They're certainly counting the supers
MADem
(135,425 posts)Isn't she "The People's Choice?"
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polly7
(20,582 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Born in Canada of Canadian parents!
Good one!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)The crowds I saw were pretty thin ........ mostly reporters at some. Not a lot of enthusiasm - the people at one looked like they'd been bussed in straight from a funeral. The still shots were even a bit spooky.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Her supporters here so seem to be of the GET OFF MY LAWN demographic.
They can't stand millenials and mock them constantly.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)could spell trouble
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)It doesn't seem like they share the same concerns at all - like, the future of the planet, living wages, health-care, environment, war. I think many older people are living very fulfilling and stable lives, maybe they just can't understand how afraid younger people are. And maybe again, some just don't give a shit and have to resort to all sorts of slurs and mockery. Arrogant, cruel and dismissive.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They resent the kids who are turning out in droves for Bernie, their hope and energy so they sneer at them. Its ugly.
"many older people are living very fulfilling and stable lives"
Right. "Stable" = LOTS OF MONEY.
This is largely a class issue, the 10% versus the 90%. HRC is the candidate of the wealthy 10%, the people who make (or MADE, for many years) 100K/year incomes, with assets to match. It is a tidy little club, and they want nothing to interfere with their personal gravy train.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I have quite a few cousins, aunts and uncles and friends living in the U.S. I talk to. Some are probably one serious illness or accident away from being wiped out. I just don't understand there, or here for that matter, how it's acceptable for so many to have so little - in terms of safety nets, basic human needs such as health-care, a living wage, etc. .... while so few have so much - earned on the backs, or at the expense, of those trying to just get by.
Why is this alright for so many here??
alan2102
(75 posts)"Why is this alright for so many here??"
The class issue runs deep and no one wants to discuss it... especially not rich HRC/Obama/etc supporters, i.e. corporate "Democrats", who like to fancy themselves as "progressives", but who have near-zero substance when it comes to this 900-lb gorilla in the room -- the class structure and socioeconomic immobility of American society, and indeed the world. And when you're raking-in $4-5 grand per month on social security (max SS x 2 in household), plus the equivalent or more from a pension -- typical HRC "liberals" -- why bring up uncomfortable subjects like class? Just enjoy the Lexus, the vacations, the summer cottage, etc... and campaign for corporate "Democrats" as a feel-good kinda thing. "Look at us! We're soooo much better than those awful Republicans!" The boomers may be the worst generation ever; and I speak reluctantly, AS a boomer (in terms of date of birth).
NanceGreggs
(27,820 posts)But her numbers just didn't pan out in the Bumperstickers/Yard Signs category, and she's had ZERO birds land on stage while performing.
As a result, she won't be the nominee.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,820 posts)... was a lovely moment.
But then people started calling it a sign from god, a signal from the universe, etc.
Then it wasn't lovely anymore - it got turned into someting silly.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)on the bird. It WAS a lovely moment, as you say, but I agree some people have really carried it too far.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I can sure understand why it bothers you though; your bunch is starting to collectively look like an angry bear. Every poke elicits a strong reaction because your opinion is you should already be celebrating the nomination and it's historic significance but yain't and it's beginning to sink in that there's a possibility you never will.
That's gotta suck. The difference between us is that Sanders' supporters are optimistic because there's nowhere to go but up. Your group is angry because there's nowhere for Hillary to go but down and she's already begun the descent.
She did see a bird at the London Zoo, apparently....but that's not good enough, I suppose!
polly7
(20,582 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)It ain't about Bernie liking birds-It's about birds liking Bernie...
MADem
(135,425 posts)After all, her last NAME is that of a bird.
jillan
(39,451 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)vimeo.com/50307501
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)which is an idea my congressman is working on but at this point the contest has devolved into a pointless battle royale which is going to keep sucking cash out of people's pockets and damaging our eventual nominee, so I think it's time to throw in the towel and switch to surrogate mode for ahem, whoever has the least delegates.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)And every news article that I've read explains how she lied. It's only her most diehard supporters who are defending her lie.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)MattSh
(3,714 posts)Wall Street Billionaires, yeah, Bernie knew they'd be pushing back.
They stole what they got fair and square, and they ain't going to give it back willingly.
Angrydemex
(43 posts)Oh fun n serious, what did I tell you about drinking?
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Angrydemex
(43 posts)What?
ie noob. Not sure how or why or what this is suppose to relate to the post. But I think it is because they are all in vapors over this
whirlygigspin
(3,803 posts)"running the most positive campaign of the 2016 cycle" --ah yes, I see the positive vision here everyday.
I would take everything written above and just reverse it, then I think you would have a closer grasp of reality.
The author was some sort of consultant to the John Kerry campaign, he is apparently attempting the 'hit them on their strengths" 'swiftboating' type spin. Some do indeed seem condemned to fight yesterday's war.
He should perhaps try to reflect instead of project, then he might just find the truth of his own words.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Sanders has not been attacked..
thesquanderer
(11,996 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:38 AM - Edit history (1)
Hillary has said he was against bailing out the auto industry, he's in favor of vigilantes, he's going to take away your medicare, he's cozy with the koch brothers, and then there was the one about the "foreword" he wrote -- and that's just from Hillary's own mouth. It doesn't count the stuff put forth by her campaign, insinuating that he's sexist, racist, wasn't really the person in the old pictures (point being to cast doubt on his civil rights bona fides)...
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)You're not even trying.
Maybe you should see what's up at, oh, say, dailynewsbin.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)we regain our composure:
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)That dropped off my radar, but is now back on my list!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Albin: Why sad?
Max Schreck: Because Dracula had no servants.
Albin: I think you missed the point of the book, Count Orlock.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)Blue Nation Review serves as a Correct the Record platform. Correct the Record is a PAC that works closely with the Clinton campaign.
From wikipedia:
From FactCheck.org:
Unlike other independent-expenditure only super PACs, which are prohibited by the Federal Election Commission from coordinating with campaigns or political parties, Correct the Record plans to work closely with the Clinton campaign. Thats because, the group says, it does not plan to spend money to run ads. Instead, the PAC intends to use its website and social media platforms to counter claims made about Clinton.
FactCheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Really, it won't.
The writing on the wall is that Bernie is doing far better than ever anticipated, even with a nearly total MSM blackout.
As for uniting the party, what exactly is Hillary doing in that department? She has surrogates that tell women there's a special place in hell for them if they don't support the woman, just because she's a woman, and that's uniting? Really?
SunSeeker
(51,749 posts)I assume you are referring the one Clinton surrogate (and there is only one, not multiple "surrogates" , Madeline Albright, who said "There is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women." That is her catch phrase, and has been repeated by a lot of other women over the years. It is even on coffee mugs. Albrights has been saying that feminist phrase for years, and she did not mean that women who support Sanders will burn in hell. When she realized that is how her phrase was interpreted when she said it while supporting Clinton, she immediately apologized and has not used it since. But you knew that.
So the party isn't really divided, and we're in a regular primary season where two candidates are battling it out, right? The fact that one of them is a woman, and that Madeline Albright and Gloria Steinem have said nasty things about women who don't support Hillary just doesn't matter, right?
Oh, good, I'm glad we're clear on that. Because saying that I must support Hillary because she's a woman is genuinely offensive, but obviously you get that, and you agree that we each must support the candidate we personally think is the best choice.
I support Bernie.
SheilaT. White female, age 67.
(Which means I ought to be a Hillary fan but I'm not. Wasn't in 2008, haven't been this go around.)
SunSeeker
(51,749 posts)No Clinton surrogate has said "nasty thing about women."
Your desperate attempt to create that straw man is dividing our party.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I take it that's not at all nasty, and that Madeline Albright wasn't a surrogate for Clinton. My bad. But then what was she talking about, and was she a surrogate for someone else? Please enlighten me.
And quite frankly, it's the Hillary people saying that Bernie is done and must pull out of the race, which they've been saying since March 1st, who are dividing the party.
He won't win any states.
He'll win New Hampshire but no other states.
He won't survive beyond Super Tuesday.
Michigan doesn't count.
Alaska, Hawaii, and Washington are all white rural states and they don't count.
Really?
SunSeeker
(51,749 posts)And Bernie is done. It is math. Maybe if his supporters understood that, they wouldn't employ scorched earth tactics against Hillary supporters, like swarming the Facebook pages of civil rights icons.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Don't kid yourself on that. It was NOT aimed at Carly Fiorina, but at women like me who are capable of thinking independently, and who with that independent thinking have decided that Hillary Clinton is not the candidate I support.
FFS.
SunSeeker
(51,749 posts)That was one poorly timed statement by one surrogate. Albright tends to say that as a closing line in her speeches, which usually center on poor women empowering each other around the world, usually are not campaign events, and tends to garner lots of applause--which I assume is why she likes to use it to close out her speeches. Unfortunately, she used it at the end of her remarks at a Hillary campaign event, and it was taken badly by some Sanders supporters. But you seem intent on making it more than it was, and applying a nefarious intent not only to her but to all Hillary surrogates.
It was certainly not aimed at women who are "capable of thinking independently," since that would include all Hillary supporters as well, but you apparently think Hillary supporters are incapable of thinking independently. That is a pretty nasty insinuation you make about Hillary supporters. I suggest you look in the mirror before accusing Clinton surrogates of saying "nasty things about women."
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MADem
(135,425 posts)"video" time (Trump likes to call in).
Keep in mind, this graph tracks tv appearance for OVER A YEAR--we're not just talking recently.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)If you look at only on-air time, not phone interview, Bernie has been on a lot more even than Donald Trump.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He's been a guest 55 times, HRC 17 times.....
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Sorry. Should have looked up what that graph was saying.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He's gotten more than THREE TIMES the "free air time" than she has. He's the one who has gotten the most FACE time on the air of all the candidates. Trump has gotten more total time, but much of that was "call in" with no opportunity to put eyes on the candidate.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Because they ask questions she doesn't want to answer. She can only keep so many lies going at once, and if she gets more air time, it could get messy for her.
SunSeeker
(51,749 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I don't know what kind of head injury would need to befall me to get me to the unfortunate point of copy-and-pasting the words of a confirmed lying piece of shit. He was a lying piece of shit for the Republican Party. Now he's a lying piece of shit in the service of Hillary Clinton.
Guess what stays the same? He's a lying piece of shit.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Therefore the fact that that place is a sham, a front for pro Hillarian bull, and a means to spew even more lies into the ether must be ignored. If they repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.
Say, wasn't Hillary up by 23 pts in Wisconsin? What ever happened to Little Miss Inevitable?
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)You support the Queen of lies and you know it. And her husband is a piece of shit liar too.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)dchill
(38,569 posts)with the express intent of prevaricating and libeling a candidate's way into the Oval Office.
Congrats on a huge fail of an OP!
jfern
(5,204 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Just like Republicans.
jfern
(5,204 posts)I will never vote for a candidate who associates with David Brocki.
polly7
(20,582 posts)towards a woman sexually harassed. He's a worm, period.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)For a man who earned his political chops that way.
polly7
(20,582 posts)while having my face smashed in .......... he sickens me.
MaeScott
(878 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)At first, I saw clintonclownmedia
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Back in the summer of 2014when Blue Nation Review was a fledgling blog dedicated to creating a place where progressives can debate where we want to be as a movement, per the websites mission statementit treated Sanders as a liberal hero.
In December 2013, Mokos then-CEO, a hot-tempered Australian named Ian Rodwell, had recruited former Democratic Senate staffer and political operative Jimmy Williams, a frequent cable news talking head, to launch the blog as editor in chief from a newsroom in Alexandria, Virginia.
According to sources familiar with BNR, the blunt-spoken Williams, a Hillary Clinton supporter, frequently clashed with Rodwell over editorial issues, engaging in epic, profanity-laced shouting matches in the newsroom.
Finally, early last fall, Williams enlisted millionaire media entrepreneur and philanthropist Leo Hindery, another member of Team Clinton and a member of Mokos board of directors, to help him wrest BNR out of Rodwells hands.
Hindery, a major donor to Democratic causes, naturally steered the sale to Brock, who in a late-November meeting with Williams in the lobby of a Manhattan hotel informed the founder of BNR that most of his staff would be dismissed and his services were no longer required.
Brock installed as CEO of True Blue Media a longtime Democratic operative named Peter Daou, a diehard Hillary loyalist who had worked in her Senate office and 2008 presidential campaign. Daou declined to comment for this story.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/07/hillary-clinton-s-hit-men-target-bernie-sanders-at-blue-nation-review.html
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)MSM and many others are reporting Shady dealings.. I am surprised you don't see it. Maddow, Capehart, Mother Jones, They all go under the bus. Only Bernie is pure...
w4rma
(31,700 posts)fun n serious
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Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)fun n serious
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Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)someone forget to tell the likers
Nanjeanne
(5,003 posts)Vinca
(50,319 posts)"Resigned" is more like it. You look at photos of her events and it looks like a wake. Maybe that's why her speeches evolve into yelling . . . she's trying to wake them up.
smiley
(1,432 posts)Paulie
(8,462 posts)So they are equivalent propaganda arms.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Wow. They have to resort to putting out propaganda to try to motivate Clinton supporters to be enthusiastic.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)This Hillarite drivel is really sad.
MuseRider
(34,135 posts)Why now? Ahhhh, because he got some momentum and she is looking kinda like she might not be so inevitable?
It is all about the race.
No excitement when it was about policy. No excitement when it was about her amazing brain/heart/plans for the future.
I am not seeing fired up but hey, I am a Bernie person and I have seen fired up before and please don't tell me those were Hillary people trying to confuse us. LOL.
EDIT to add: I just read the whole thread. BNR really? Well I don't know what their def is of fired up but since it is a Brock outlet it is whatever he thinks it is at whatever point it will help the Hill. So....nope.
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)enthusiasm by getting someone at his website to write about enthusiasm that doesn't exist.
Enthusiasm for Clinton is way down from 2008.
Look at the picture they provide as evidence with the article ... 36 people ...
Her crowds are typically smaller than Bernies by a noticeable margin which is a harsh reflection of the lack of enthusiasm of her base.
And don't mistake the number of votes generated by dishonestly and bias in the mainstream media for enthusiasm. A lot of people have been wrongfully told for about a year she's the only one who has a chance to win the general election. So a bunch are holding their nose and supporting a candidate they do not trust to support the party and policies they believe in.
You do not have to have fake blog sites you own write such drivel if your campaign has real enthusiasm.
It's just another confession from the candidate that they cannot win this election without deceiving voters. It's the Clinton way and the only way they know because they cannot win with the truth.
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)as opposed to posting some Brock propaganda and thinking it is some kind of 'think piece'....
if Brock actually had some 'revelation' or 'divine realization' about how big a piece of shit he was when he was a Republican hitman, that awareness was only that HE COULD DO IT FOR THE OTHER SIDE, TOO!!
so now he's Hillary's POS...and her supporters have no problem overlooking what he is as a person because he's on their side...
fucking pathetic lengths to go to just to get that fucking golden ring that has the keys to the White House...
too bad Lee Atwater is dead, they could use his style, too...HIS revelation came on his deathbed...Brock's came via a phone call...
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Funny satire of real political commentary.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)She was the last candidate to qualify for the ballot
jmg257
(11,996 posts)#ImWithGrr
pinebox
(5,761 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)I give the win to Blue Nation Review.
riversedge
(70,359 posts)Paul Begala Verified account
?@PaulBegala
When part of your appeal is: a) "I won't go negative"; and b) "I tell the truth," an untrue neg. attack hurts more. http://wapo.st/1St6VK0
Paul Begala Verified account
?@PaulBegala
When part of your appeal is: a) "I won't go negative"; and b) "I tell the truth," an untrue neg. attack hurts more. http://wapo.st/1St6VK0
Paul is right. Bernie speaks one and then turns around and goes negative--and worse
By Glenn Kessler April 2 at 3:00 AM
Three Pinnochios for @BernieSanders Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!
...............Theres a further problem with this calculation. Greenpeace counts all of the money raised or contributed by lobbyists as oil/gas industry funds, but these lobbyists have many other clients besides the oil industry. Ben Klein, one of the lobbyists highlighted in the Greenpeace report, also lobbies for American Airlines, Cigna, and Hearst, according to the lobbying disclosure database, so in theory his contributions to the Clinton campaign could also be labeled as funds for airline, insurance or media industry.
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The Sanders campaign is exaggerating the contributions that Clinton has received from the oil and gas industry. In the context of her overall campaign, the contributions are hardly significant. Its especially misleading to count all of the funds raised by lobbyists with multiple clients as money given by the fossil-fuel industry.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/02/fact-checking-the-clinton-sanders-spat-over-big-oil-contributions/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-politics%3Ahomepage%2Fcard
mak3cats
(1,573 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)"But rather than go positive and unite the party, theyve clearly decided to spend the money theyve raised and traverse the path of maximum negativity"
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)LexVegas
(6,120 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Response to fun n serious (Original post)
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mcar
(42,420 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)and not credible in the slightest.
basselope
(2,565 posts)LOL
Stick a fork in her.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)"Rejecting Bernies GOP-style tactics"
They don't know a progressive when they see one. The Hillary supporters are just like the GOP voters. They accept the lies and don't care about anything else. They are a sad bunch for sure.
Z_California
(650 posts)Oh wait "Blue Nation Review". Got it.
"GOP-style tactics". Absolutely disgusting bullshit.
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)they're pretty fired up here:
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Doing my little bit for Hillary.
bvf
(6,604 posts)belies the ridiculous propaganda of the OP?
FIRED UP!!
Oh, wait. It's raining. Never mind...