It's happening again in NY. Hundreds have been deleted or dropped out of vote roll

[bkkyosemite]

http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/04/01/breaking-hundreds-of-new-york-democrats-have-voting-eligibility-canceled-without-consent-video/

" Bernie Sanders supporters in New York may be facing election fraud, according to Heavy.com. In Arizona, registered Democrats’ registrations went from active to inactive, preventing them from voting in the Arizona primary, and now his supporters are reporting similar problems that may prevent them from voting in the New York primary."

Problems have been reported even though New York voters are registered with the Democrat Party affiliation. They also may have been long-time voters.

New York has a closed primary, meaning that you have to be registered with the party where you want to vote. Technical problems interfered with some voters changing their affiliation prior to the deadline. You can check your party affiliation online by going here.
Registered New York Voters

There are several additional deadlines that may apply to you, if you registered in New York:

April 12 – Last day to postmark an application or letter of application by mail for an absentee ballot.
April 18 – Last day to apply in-person for an absentee ballot
April 18 – Last day to postmark absentee ballot. It must be received by the local board of elections no later than April 26.
April 19 – Last day to deliver absentee ballot in-person to local board of elections.

Other Voters

You can change your registration, if you are inactive or unaffiliated, but that means you still won’t be able to vote in the primary. That deadline was October 2015.
The Bernie Sanders campaign has provided a voter registration form for New Yorkers here or here. Print out the form. To find out where to drop off the completed form, go here. Another option is mailing your registration card.
If your party affiliation was dropped or inactive, you could have changed your party affiliation online through the DMV and were given an extension through Friday, March 25. That allowed people to still vote in the New York primary, according to Democratic Board Of Election Commissioner Douglas Kellner. This is where many voters reported technical issues.
The March primary deadline only applied to first-time voters, those whose affiliation was dropped, or those shown as unaffiliated or inactive. Unfortunately, the deadline for changing from Republican to Democrat was October 2015.

Reporting The Problem

If you want to report your party affiliation was changed, you can go to any or all of these locations:

NY ACLU
New York Attorney General
The Bernie Sanders campaign at [e-mail]

To see what happened with voter election fraud in New York, check out this video:"

[Land of Enchantment]

1. Where the hell is the FBI and what does it take to get

an investigation going? History has taught us they never go back and have 'do overs' and once the results are certified it is OVER.

[CorporatistNation]

2. The CORRUPTION IS A NATIONAL CONSPIRACY INCLUDES HILLARY AND THE DNC!

You do not have to be James Bond to figure this one out. These "incidents" are no accident!

[ViseGrip]

9. Data mining they know who sander supporters are. They're moving them on the rolls.

I have followed election fraud, and touchscreen voting machine shenanigans since 2002. This shit has to stop and can we get Jimmy Carter to give a statement here at home?

[brush]

17. Who manufactures the hardware and software that controls voter registration . . .

and affiliation? Just as in cases earlier and from previous election cycles?

Repug owned corporations working with Rove.

Why would it be different now? As in AZ they're rehearsing to try to steal the general election in November, and also to dems who fall for their shenanigans at each others' throats.

Don't fall for it.

[HereSince1628]

56. Occurrences from different parts of the country seems nonrandom

twice is at least coincidence, three times looks purposeful.

Do we know where other than AZ and NY has this been reported?

[bkkyosemite]

3. Even Morning Joe (can you believe it) said it was rigged this morning.

DAMN DAMN DAMN...Anyone who was and is now not affiliated needs to be able to change back their registration. The FIX IS IN AGAIN DAMN DAMN DAMN

[geek tragedy]

4. It's a, a, a,CONSPIRACY!!!!!!! nt

[Jitter65]

5. Preparing for a loss? Sounds like it to me.

Follow the rules. College students ought to be able to read and understand the primary election rules, find their polling precincts, or ask questions of their elections managers for instructions.l When was the last day for CHANGING party affiliation? Is there same day registration? You know all that stuff ...

[TDale313]

52. Screw any "Dem"

Who is ok with election fraud as long as it helps their candidate. This is fucking bullshit. The candidate with 100% name recognition and the entire political establishment on her side can't put away the 74 year old Democratic Socialist without cheating?!? Fucking pathetic. She's a horrible candidate with huge unfavorable and she'd be be very, very lucky to beat Trump in the general.

[bkkyosemite]

6. Are you not reading correctly? Their affiliations are being CHANGED without their knowledge!

[geek tragedy]

8. This article = "Sanders supporters claim to be victim of national

conspiracy".

[ViseGrip]

10. The ones complaing are mostly Sanders supporters that they are hearing from.

This is another blackout. No conspiracy here....

How come we can run elections in Iraq? Purple fingers to eliminate 'voter fraud', along with 'hand counted paper ballots', to eliminate 'election fraud'.

I WANT THAT HERE AT HOME!!! NOW!!!

[questionseverything]

15. with an open,transparent process and tight chain of custody

[questionseverything]

12. seems everyone at du should care about citizens being disenfranchised

Problems have been reported even though New York voters are registered with the Democrat Party affiliation. They also may have been long-time voters.

[geek tragedy]

13. "Democrat Party affiliation"

Oopsy daisy!

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. Yup

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I wish people learned some history and since it is your party, retook that one from the RW that have made it into a smear.

It is kind of like Liberal... some of us are proud liberals...

[CentralCoaster]

7. Here is that video, mentioned at end of your OP and the article.

[SheilaT]

11. This is why we need some sort of universal registration,

as well as same day registration.

For those states that want a closed primary or caucus, figure it out. But people should be able to show up and vote. It's as simple as that.

[Sunlei]

14. party affiliation shouldn't even be on Americans voter registration.

[Godhumor]

16. because flipping a few hundred registrations makes so much sense in a proportional delegate primary

Clinton and the DNC are choosing to risk serious jail time to flip a hundredth of a delegate in a state where over 1.5 million people will vote in the primary! Makes perfect sense.

[NanceGreggs]

18. Rule #1 in concocting conspiracy theories ...

... "Do NOT be distracted by things like logic and common sense."

[HooptieWagon]

20. As many delegates as NY has, suppressing a few % of the vote could be a couple dozen delegates.

[Godhumor]

21. A few percent is tens of thousands of voters. A couple dozen delegates would be over 150k voters

That would get noticed by pretty much everyone.

[HooptieWagon]

22. AZ disenfranchised 100,000. Noticed, but no action taken.

[Godhumor]

23. Yes, the lines were disgraceful and Republican controlled and harmed both candidates

But no one is switching 150k registrations and getting away with it in NY. And with Democrats controlling the government, there will be no 6 hour lines either.

[Trenzalore]

44. 100,000?

It was a closed primary. Bernie sent registered independents to the polls to cause chaos and a fraud narrative.

[yeoman6987]

51. I don't see why any state should be closed on either side.

The general isn't closed. Open them all up.

[Trenzalore]

57. They are running for a party nomination

Members of the party should select the candidate

[HooptieWagon]

59. You've got no evidence Sanders sent unregistered people to polls to disrupt.

That's a complete fabrication.

[geek tragedy]

25. Not to mention inventing Cerebro and getting Professor X to ID Sanders supporters

so their files can be switched.

[msongs]

19. yet when bernie wins its all clean and groovy. whatta coincidence. sounds rigged to me nt

[Godhumor]

24. I was going to use the word bullshit for the CTs floating around

But your way is nicer.

[AzDar]

26. K & R

[CajunBlazer]

27. I have one simple question which will destroy this "conspiracy theory" once and for all

How in the hell would anyone know which of millions of individuals might be a Sanders voters so that they could be dropped from the registration lists?

This is one more thing that those on the far left have in common with those on the far right, love of conspiracy theories. "Everyone is a against us." By they way this is not something I made up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-left_politics

McKlosky and Chong further claim that in the USA, the far-left groups they studied are deeply estranged from American society and highly critical of what they perceive as the spiritual and moral degeneration of American institutions, they view American society as dominated by conspiratorial forces that are working to defeat their ideological aims.

Dr. Herbert McCloskey and Dr. Dennis Chong are very well respected American psychologists who have studied the behavior and tendencies of political groups both in the US and around the world.

[agracie]

31. Most likely...

How in the hell would anyone know which of millions of individuals might be a Sanders voters so that they could be dropped from the registration lists?

Most likely Bernie's data was hacked. Similar registration issues are being reported in other states, such as CA.

[CajunBlazer]

48. Another conspiracy theory to explain whey the original conspiracy theory isn't BS

And of course you have no evidence that Bernie's data was hacked, right, right.

[Half-Century Man]

38. Considering Hillary Clinton has never flipped an Independent to Democrat

However she has flipped Democrats to Independent.
If you disenfranchise all those who recently became registered Democrats you will target supporters of Bernie Sanders.

[CajunBlazer]

49. There are rules in NY as to when you have to be registered in order to vote in the primary

They are specifically designed from keeping independents and even Republicans from becoming Democrats at the last minute as a matter of convenience in order to vote in the Democratic primary.

It appears that Sanders supporters like to pick and choose which rules they like and which they don't depending on whether those rules gives their candidate a advantage or not.

Too bad the Democrat Party didn't have a rule which would have kept an independent from becoming and instant Democrat because he wanted the media attention when he ran for President.

[Half-Century Man]

54. I was just pointing out how easy it is to pick out supporters for vote supression

The question was how, theoretically, were certain voters picked to be disenfranchised, That is one of several ways to select mostly Sanders supporters and deny them political voice.

I heard that tired canard about party hopping to damage the opposing party primary before. I've even seen postings here urging other people to do it in Arizona to me, it has the same credibility as voter fraud. Discussed at 10,000x the rate it happens.

I was under the impression that the discussion of the thread was about how people who did follow the rules and were confirmed to have followed the rules, were somehow at the point where there is insufficient time to correct a sudden reclassification, were cast out. I some cases life long Democrats. As is being reported to be happening in New York.


I too feel it is too sad that the "instant" Democrat is a far better Democrat than a huge sampling of the long term Democrats. But, fortunately for all of us, the Democratic Party from it's very beginnings hasn't been so closed minded. After all we are the pro immigrant party. That whole "the dirty immigrants are here to steal jobs" is so RWNJ. So, please, let's not go there or any where near there, here at Democratic Underground.

[All in it together]

45. The DNC has lots of information on Democratic voters from both campaigns

There is something definitely wrong when many, many Dem voters can't vote in a primary.

I care about disenfranchisement don't you? That is an outrage, whoever does the disenfranchising. African Americans have experienced it the most. It's the establishment who protects the status quo and thinks that allowing Democracy would be a bad thing.

[CajunBlazer]

50. Oh BS, the Democratic Party in NY is simply trying to enforce its rules

If you were not a Democrat as of October of 2015 you cannot vote in the 2015 Democratic primary - that rule has been in effect for years. The party is simply ensuring that those voters who have registered since then cannot vote in the primary. Simple, end of story.

[TMontoya]

28. Whats happening?

Nobody is purging voter rolls please do not buy into conspiracy theories.

[agracie]

32. Sorry. You are wrong. Please do some reading and research.

[TMontoya]

33. Alright

Please provide proof please.

[mattclearing]

40. Welcome to DU!

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/31/the_arizona_secretary_of_state_confirmed_election_fraud_occurred_in_the_states_primary/

[TMontoya]

41. Thank you!! I am very happy to be here!

Yes this article is in regards to AZ not NY. I fully acknowledge the right wing voter suppression going on and its disgusting. But please show me proof of "purging voter rolls in NY".

[TreasonousBastard]

29. REALITY CHECK...

First, the "Bipartisan Report" is not only leaning Democratic, but Sanders/Democratic and doesn't seem to be a bit bipartisan.

And then, it's just conspiracy-mongering when there is likely no conspiracy at all.

In NY, the state sets the basic rules, but counties run registration. I've been a Democratic committeeman, pollwatcher and election worker for years, and I've seen a goodly share of mistakes:

People forgot, or didn't care, what party they were registered in and then got pissed when they couldn't vote in a primary.

Dead people are still registered, since no one thought to tell the Board of Elections they were dead.

Live people aren't in the book because of some screwup, but then they can still vote and the ballot will count when the registration is confirmed by the BoE.

People move, get married, and often the last thing on their minds is changing voter registration until election day.

I can't speak for all counties in NY, but my county has a way to deal with all these, and other, problems that might look like a conspiracy to those inclined to see conspiracies in every closet and under every bed.

[agracie]

34. Closed primary ?

Live people aren't in the book because of some screwup, but then they can still vote and the ballot will count when the registration is confirmed by the BoE.

New York has a closed primary, right ? So how can people vote in a Dem primary if they are not on record as a Dem ?

Many in Arizona were turned away because their registration had been changed without their knowledge. (Arizona also has a closed primary.)

[TreasonousBastard]

42. We use scanned paper ballots, so you can fill one out and...

it does not get scanned, but goes into a special bag to work things out at BoE HQ.

You could also see a judge, although that's more for general election hassles. I've never seen anyone go to a judge. Half the time, if there's a hassle, the voter just takes a hike.

Now, it's easy for some to say that's the intent, but since you never know who's going to walk, what would be the point?

[JoePhilly]

55. + 1

[cosmicone]

30. It's a conspiracy !!!

[MFM008]

35. WHY

are democrats turning on each other? Its more likely if something is happening to VOTER ROLLS its the REPUBLICAN PARTY thats doing it somehow.
REPUBLICANS CHEAT, STEAL, LIE. Whats to stop them from tampering with voter rolls????
COME ON people.

[TreasonousBastard]

43. Never overestimate the mental acuity of internet posters from either party.

[workinclasszero]

36. Building a narrative for a Bernie loss in New York already?

[TMontoya]

39. It certainly seems like it

I grow tired of the excuses whenever Hillary Clinton wins it MUST be fraud but when Bernie Sanders wins its 100% legit. These excuses only make Sanders supporters look like immature children who cannot take a loss well. Fact is there has been no "fraud" from the Clinton campaign. AZ is a Republican debacle and experts agree it hurt Clinton way more than Sanders.

[Chezboo]

37. Time to call in David Boies. nt

[NorthCarolina]

46. This will be the Clinton game plan for ALL closed primaries. nt

[CajunBlazer]

53. I hope so.

People who are not registered Democrats at the time when the rules say you have to be registered in order to vote in a primary should not be allowed to vote - period, end of story!

Unlike the lax rules that allow anyone to suddenly decide he or she wants to run for President as a Democrat, some state have rules to keep independents and Republicans from suddenly deciding they are Democrats to be able to vote in a Primary.

What other private organization, and the Democratic Party is a private organization, allow outsider to vote in organization elections? Answer: NONE!!!

[Tarc]

47. "They also may have been long-time voters."

Yep, when I want solid, hard-hitting reporting, I always look for the word "may" for a solid fact-closer.



Closed primaries often have deadlines to register with the party; if you don't meet that deadline, too bad. This isn't like college, where you can wheedle and cajole some harried adjunct to extending a paper deadline.

[Historic NY]

63. So long term that they didn't vote in 2010 or 2012 Federal elections.

(A voter in inactive status who does not vote in two consecutive Federal Elections is in the fifth year, removed from the list of register. The voter must re-register in order to vote.)

[Historic NY]

60. Some of the reasons why you are purged from the system in NY.....

(A voter in inactive status who does not vote in two consecutive Federal Elections is in the fifth year, removed from the list of register. The voter must re-register in order to vote.)

In other words you didn't vote in 2010 or 2012 ....... you failed to acknowledge the cards BOE sent out. You moved,you failed to correct your address on your Drivers License, a Post Office box address is the biggest offender. You do not live in a PO Box. A license is valid for 8 yrs, its your responsibility to see, it is kept current . These are some of the way purges can be triggered.

Ask for an affidavit ballot After the election, the Board of Elections in the City of New York will check its records and your vote will be counted if you are indeed eligible to vote and are at the correct poll site. If not, you will receive a notice that you are not eligible, along with a registration application for future elections.

If you ignore the BOE notices you will be dropped. Of course if its returned for invalid address to the BOE its a sure winner. They consult a number of lists before taking this measure.


http://vote.nyc.ny.us/html/voters/faq.shtml

I spent a couple elections helping with affidavit ballots. In 2008 we had lots in NY because of the voter registration verification's by the County Board of Elections. I covered 36 districts with a notary doing affidavits, while also having to observe new computerized voting....I've not done it again.

http://www.elections.ny.gov/NYSBOE/download/voting/voteform.pdf

http://www.elections.ny.gov/NYSBOE/download/voting/voteform.pdf

[snowy owl]

62. Establishment politics.