2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHow Hillary Clinton Bought the Loyalty of 33 state Democratic Parties.
WOW -- this is an eye opening expose' of the Hillary Victory Fund and how it has hog tied Democrats in 33 states.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/
The ending paragraphs:
Our state party leadership signed a deal with a woman who out here, on our turf, possibly wouldnt last a week. They signed away away our unobstructed right to choose which Democratic candidate we supported for President. Given that we have 15 pledged delegates and seven superdelegates, we have lost our absolute right to have superdelegate endorsements proportional to the wishes of the primary voters
For what? Sixty four thousand and one hundred dollars? Which we had to give back? Thats a pretty poor excuse for selling out our right to our own choice.
Look, we know the deck is stacked, that Hillary and the DNC get all the face cards and that youre dealing from the bottom of the deck. But just give us an ace from time to time, or maybe even a small straight. Dont rub our hopelessness in our faces as if we are too dumb to know. You will pay for your contempt. If not this year, then the next.
randr
(12,417 posts)that Bernie is campaigning against.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)The "System is RIGGED!"
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Loudestlib
(980 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,900 posts)Is it a coincidence that most superdelegates intend to vote for Hillary even though their states didn't? My state, Minnesota, went to Bernie by a huge margin - yet our superdelegates (including, to my great disappointment, Al Franken) are still all in for Hillary. Minnesota is on this list.
Fuck democracy; there's money involved.
Stallion
(6,476 posts)registered Democrats are voting for Clinton by probably 20% as we'll see in the coming Primaries. I'm sure Bernie Sanders would get the overwhelming endorsement of the Social Democratic Party or Independents
You cant talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You cant talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. Youre really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry. Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong with capitalism. There must be a better distribution of wealth, and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.
Stallion
(6,476 posts)How many Elections has the Socialist Party won in the United States. I'm sure there is a Socialist running for President -you going to put your money where your mouth is-perhaps there is a Socialist Underground everybody can discuss this
Loudestlib
(980 posts)Get your "facts" straight.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)she bought the super delegates. From the poor states.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Nanjeanne
(5,003 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)Here's a hint: there is nothing in those agreements that can change how a super delegate votes. The state parties can't tell the super delegates in that state how to vote.
The Republicans have some nominal super delegates (3 per state) who are obligated to vote with for the winner of the state contest.
So the author of the piece is absolutely inventing "our absolute right to have super delegate endorsements proportional to the wishes of the primary voters". This is a figment of the author's imagination. Completely and totally made up.
And here's a newsflash, Sanders isn't losing because of super delegates. He's losing because he has fewer pledged delegates (and he has fewer votes not that the popular vote is a deciding factor).
And if Clinton was so Machiavellian and buying all the super delegates, why did so many of them move to support Obama in 2008? Did Clinton spend the last 8 years hatching this evil scheme? Or is she being a good Democrat and raising money for the party. Incidentally, Sanders has the same fundraising pact with the DNC. Is he trying to "buy" super delegates?
The article is slanted and ill-informed. Margot Kidder should have either done more research or presented more facts and less innuendo.
Raster
(20,998 posts)In a word: YES.
Good Democrat? HRC is for HRC. No one else.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Nice to see it laid out so well.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)It was more of one of those "How dare this person say somethign like that about the Democratic front-runner." No basis for a hide, they just got lucky in the jury.
Thanks for posting this.