It's a Revolution | Bernie Sanders

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Third Way Democrats are on Bern Notice! Objects in mirror are closer than they appear!

[reddread]

1. flies on the windshield now

[baldguy]

2. And who are the like-minded candidates who will support the Sanders revolution?

We not only need to keep the Presidency - we need to take back the House and the Senate, along with most of the Governorships and State Houses.

Sanders supporters should be able to name literally hundreds of candidates, at every level of government. But instead, they can't name more than a literal handful.

It's a funny revolution that has only one revolutionary with power.

[smiley]

3. You win.

I guess I'll vote for the status quo candidate now. Damn your good!

[baldguy]

6. Still no names - which is par for the course.

You might be happy to see the next Democratic administration fail, and be happy to wallow in that failure. I'm not.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

7. Many supporters wear the BernieCrat Emblem proud...

http://berniecrats.net/

Read up and learn!

As a larger Sanders donor >$200, I am glad none of my money goes to the DNC, It is corrupt; Until DWS is gone I will not give it a penny of my money, all my money will go to specific progressive candidates.

[baldguy]

8. And still no candidates named.

You might be happy supporting a guy that only seems to play as a one man band - but the US govt has never operated that way.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

9. The website list all of the candidates running for offices that endorse Bernie and his platform...

I'm not gonna repost all of them here... You can see two of them in my sig. Tim Canova and Lucy Flores. I hope that Tim Canova beats the Pants off DWS, and combined with Clinton losing the nomination she will be out of a job.

[baldguy]

12. You've got 250-some people listed there for 7968 offices. That's no revolution.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

15. First it was nobody but...

How typical of Hillarians to move goalposts:

[baldguy]

16. A drop in the ocean is still a drop in the ocean.

That doesn't change just because you can't recognize how big the ocean is.

[polly7]

19. LOL

[timmymoff]

25. You do not get to define

something you are to lazy to be involved with. You do not know things like us Bernie supporters taking over our county democrats positions, things like that. The activism of people who weren't normally involved. So spare us your characterization from someone who is willingly accepting republican principles by a democratic candidate. You are part of the problem.

[baldguy]

28. So, the people that have been working against the GOP onslaught for 30 yrs and more

Should step aside for johnny-come-latelys who've been too stupid, too lazy, or too self-involved to participate? Until St Bernie came along, anyway.

Sorry, it's a little premature for your Reign of Terror.

[timmymoff]

31. This isn't a reign of terror

and by her stances are you sure she has been fighting them or joining them?

[quickesst]

10. You can't answer baldguy's question....

..... can you?

On edit: can any of you answer his question?

[smiley]

11. nope.

Why does it matter?

[quickesst]

13. That's what I thought

Revolution

[smiley]

17. Very astute of you!

Call it what you want. I just call it voting my conscience.

[quickesst]

18. I'm just trying to figure out...

.... how this revolution is going to work. What and who is going to be involved except for the minority of Americans who support Bernie Sanders? With millions of people supporting Trump, will there be blood shed? You know they are not going to just accept it quietly. There are many questions about the revolution that have not been answered, and many that have not even been asked. Shouldn't there be some kind of plan? Thanks for the answers that will help me to understand how this is all going to work.

[Armstead]

33. The "revolution" is very simple

It starts with the premise that we all STOP acting like chained whipped dogs who are prisoners of an inert corrupt system in which lobbyists for Big Cortpotate Monopolies own politics and government.

It starts with the premise that we start opening up the system to make politicians and government accountable to the public interest.

It starts with the premise that at least ONE political party turn to average people as their source of financial backing by giving them something to SUPPORT, not just accept. (I.e. Sanders system of raising a lot of money from a lot of small donors.)

Stuff like that....and much more

[quickesst]

37. I want to go to the moon

It starts with the premise that I can get all the Nasa scientists to help me build it. I don't think I'm going to the moon. You are giving simple answers to a complex situation.

[Armstead]

40. It's a very complex situation but the basic dynamics are straightforward

I could write (and have written over the years) many detailed responses with endless specifics and examples.

But it boils down to the starting point that our political system -- including the Democratic Party -- has become defeatist, corrupt and has helped the GOP and the Corporate Elites create an entrenched systemic corruption that stifles reform and positive change -- and denigrates the basic principles of liberalism....It has also aided and abetted a cynicism among the population that has made people apathetic and cynical about the entire political process.

If that continues unchallenged, the US will continue to suffer the consequences and the Democratic Party will become increasingly irrelevant and continue to give the GOP and CONservatives the upper hand.

You are free to disagree of course. But please don't dismiss it with meaningless memes like "I want to go to the moon." That is a surefire way to enable the continuation of the other revolution, the Reagan Revolution.

[quickesst]

42. We may disagree...

... about who can get it done, but I believe the one thing we can agree on is that it will take time to accomplish whether it's Bernie or Hillary. I do know one thing for sure. I do not want a trump or a cruz in the White House. We still have a long way to go, but burning the progress we have made down to the ground and starting over is not a sound strategy. I wish more people could understand that there is an alternative to the "all or nothing" gamble which at the best puts us well ahead of the game, and at the worst maintains the momentum.

[Armstead]

43. Very few people are advocating "burning it down"

There is a large range between that and perpetuating the abusive excesses of the current system as it exists.

Most Sanders supporters are not advocating "all or nothing." More like "We have to start someplace, and we can't keep putting it off."

[quickesst]

45. I understand that...

.... I was addressing the "all or nothing" faction of Bernie's supporters. You know as well as I do they exist. They are right here on this board. Refusing to vote for Hillary Clinton IF she is the nominee is doing just that. Burning it all down to the ground. Who anyone votes for in the primary or the general election is no one's business but theirs, but to deny contributing to the burning down by not voting, writing in a candidate, or voting third-party is willful ignorance for the sake of ideological purity. It's being selfish. I will vote for the Democratic nominee. If you do the same, even if you have to hold your nose, then when it comes down to it we really have nothing to argue about except for our personal choice for the nomination. Have a great day.

[smiley]

35. You may believe Bernie supporters are in the minority...

but I don't get that impression.

In any case, from there you have to have confidence that the person you're voting for is going to try their hardest to accomplish the goals they've set forth in their campaign.

But I personally feel that a vote for Hillary in the primary is a vote for the GOP in the GE. You may feel different. Oh well. It's your vote, cast it however you wish.

If you actually have questions about how Bernie plans to accomplish his goals, I've read many informative links on DU regarding this, if I felt like spending my morning educating you I would, but unfortunately I have better things to do with my day. I trust that you have the intellect and desire to figure this out on your own.

I doubt this made any kind of impression on you. But I also doubt your question was sincere.

Have a great day! I know I will!

[quickesst]

38. "You may believe Bernie supporters are in the minority..."

When you consider not only Hillary supporters who favor a more pragmatic path to progress in this country, but all of the supporters of trump and cruz who would like nothing better than to kill all of us, you are definitely in the minority. Considering Bernie"s agenda, he would still have to get the approval of two more branches of government, and whether a democratic or republican majority, I don't think he'll get too far, and a monarchy or dictatorship will be soundly rejected. By the way, my inquiries are quite sincere. Do enjoy your day.

[smiley]

39. "When you consider not only Hillary supporters who favor a more pragmatic path to progress.."

Sorry. I'm not for incremental change.

Your conclusion has one problem. Hillary would also have to go through those same 2 branches of government. She would face the same obstacles, and I personally feel Bernie's record on getting bills passed is far superior to Hillary's. So I'm much more comfortable putting my support behind his candidacy.

I apologize for doubting your sincerity.

[quickesst]

41. Thanks for the apology

It wasn't necessary but I appreciate it. I suppose all of us will have decisions to make and work to do shortly. I'm going to support the Democratic nominee so I suppose that puts me in the " anyone but a republican" camp. That's where I feel most confident and comfortable.

[smiley]

44. We're in the same camp.

I'll support Hillary if she is the nominee. But this email controversy isn't going to die. If she is the nominee, it will continue to plague her campaign. Any other candidate in any other primary facing this kind investigation would not be considered fit for party nomination to POTUS.

Bernie doesn't have any scandals he's juggling. That is one of the many reasons I feel he is the better candidate for the party nomination.

[giftedgirl77]

26. I'm pretty sure this revolution includes..

[baldguy]

14. Because, without the support of people in Congress, and the statehouses, and Governorships

Bernies' supposed revolution will fail.

And because Bernie has never been one to campaign for or with anyone.

[timmymoff]

23. No my friend

It has millions of Americans realizing their power.

[baldguy]

29. And once Bernie loses, they'll get discouraged and fade back into the woodwork.

Do you know what Clinton's supports will do if she loses? They'll jump on the Bernie bandwagon, work like hell to get him elected. And when all the Bernie people will sit back & relax believing the work is done, the mainstream Democrats that are so despised here will be the ones working like hell to get his legislation passed.

Unfortunately, with no plan for taking back the majorities in the House and the Senate, and no plans on taking back the Governorships and statehouses, most of the time Bernie's proposals will fail. The GOP congress will either impeach him, or he'll lose in 2020 & retire.

And while Bernie's nascent revolutionaries will have gone back to their self-absorbed lives (because, hey, politics is boring & there's no real difference between the two parties anyway), the mainstream Democrats like Hillary will still be there, like they have been for decades, working their ass off for to help the people who work their ass off.

[timmymoff]

30. wtf plan did the democrats have against losing those seats?

Oh that's right they had DWS, former Clinton chair, lost 900 state legislative seats, many governorships and house and senate. So do not preach to us about what you may do when the results are obvious, failure. And like your uninspiring candidate for president, the youth isn't going to build a party based on the status quo you support. Do not tell us about hard work when the hard work was geared for the 1%, also known as her donor base. We aren't going anywhere, we already changed the message and shaped it. But like always with a Clinton we expect a huge lurch to the right if she wins. And we will not accept that

[Armstead]

36. And if the Democrats actually were to jump on the bandwagon...

it would make for a much better party, especially if they follows through after the election and gave the PRINCIPLES Sanders represents support on the institutional level.

We'd actually have a Democratic Party that fights for the people, and actually challenges the embedded cancer of entrenched corporate corruption.

[Armstead]

32. So you admit that a majority of Democratic Party leaders oppose Universal Healthcare...

affordable education options for all, major financial reform and regulation, campaign finance reform...etc?

If somehow Sanders were elected, they would join the GOP in opposing a liberal agenda?

Hoooookay.

[CorporatistNation]

4. Rosario Dawson For Bernie... Making YHUGE Points! Bernie WILL Take New York!

[Zira]

24. That was an awesome speech. Thanks for posting it!

I didn't see it until now.

[dana_b]

5. love it!!

It's so positive.

[jillan]

20. I love it!

[Zira]

21. Love it! Thanks for posting it!

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. If Bernie makes it to the WH, these adds will be studied

for years to come. They are not negative... which is a great break from US Politics.

[quantass]

27. +1 JUST LOVE how POSITIVE and INSPIRED the Sanders supporters are compared to Hillary's

[quantumjunkie]

34. K&R

[zappaman]

46. He's all the talk at the pub!