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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:02 PM Apr 2016

Actress Rosario Dawson Should Apologize to Dolores Huerta This Cesar Chavez Day



An apology by Dawson to Huerta would be a sign of respect and a signal towards healing if she does so.

Dawson could have picked up the phone to call Dolores Huerta regarding differences in political opinions, but instead she chose to be used as a tool for the Bernie Sanders campaign in writing an open scathing letter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deedee-garcia-blase/actress-rosario-dawson-sh_b_9585698.html
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Actress Rosario Dawson Should Apologize to Dolores Huerta This Cesar Chavez Day (Original Post) workinclasszero Apr 2016 OP
I heard about this yesterday. Dawson was insinuating that since millennials don't know who Huerta upaloopa Apr 2016 #1
Its so sick of these surrogates workinclasszero Apr 2016 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author BillZBubb Apr 2016 #48
Do you have a link to Dolores Huerta apologizing for her misunderstanding? Kalidurga Apr 2016 #2
Dolores Would Do Well To LISTEN To Rosario Dawson Who Makes Far More Sense Than Clyburn! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #76
Thanks for the link Kalidurga Apr 2016 #77
Huerta gets shit on in this very forum by Bernie supporters. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #4
Sad but true workinclasszero Apr 2016 #8
Yes. And James Clyburn. I notice a trend. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #11
Guess we shouldn't be surprised workinclasszero Apr 2016 #15
Link please? 2banon Apr 2016 #32
It is a trend...it is called lying. nt artislife Apr 2016 #38
another sellout,disappointing nt. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #55
John Lewis a sellout? Shocking how ignorant some people are. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #87
anyone backing a candidate who is NOT for the working class/poor wendylaroux Apr 2016 #97
True believers cannot be reasoned with. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #98
I agree with that. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #99
the complete and utter trashing of Dolores Huerta and the complete and total geek tragedy Apr 2016 #21
LOL! ^^^ READ THIS POST ^^^ beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #42
you know I wasnt gonna read that, but you piqued me reddread Apr 2016 #63
I just edited mine so others can see and enjoy his post. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #65
I am sad to realize that may be the *** **** the Sanders Evolution needed reddread Apr 2016 #66
How will we ever go on without his support? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #67
at least its two faced and not completely insincere reddread Apr 2016 #69
Oh no, if Bernie has lost geek tragedy... Autumn Apr 2016 #70
That's it, his campaign is over. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #71
Bernie can't lose what he never had. Autumn Apr 2016 #73
You should have picked Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #86
The reaction to Huerta convinced me we were fucked. joshcryer Apr 2016 #101
I don't think he gets off the hook here. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #104
He's obviously being coached to go this way. joshcryer Apr 2016 #106
campaign operatives chase votes and money, it's what they do. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #107
"I said what I had to say." joshcryer Apr 2016 #108
my bet would be "please vote for her, get her into office, then hold her accountable" geek tragedy Apr 2016 #109
Another smear and another witch hunt for a woman who supports Bernie. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #5
Me too! NWCorona Apr 2016 #7
Women who don't support Hillary are being targeted and bullied, it's despicable. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #14
Yup! NWCorona Apr 2016 #16
.+1 840high Apr 2016 #79
David "a little bit slutty and a little bit nutty " Brock made his bones slut shaming and Dragonfli Apr 2016 #84
Yup nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #29
Testify! Depaysement Apr 2016 #39
What a Hideous Blog Post noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #6
I caught that as well NWCorona Apr 2016 #9
It's Disgraceful noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #13
Scorched earth tactics NWCorona Apr 2016 #17
Carpet Bombing noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #19
Didn't she supply cluster bombs while at the State Department NWCorona Apr 2016 #23
Hillary Fan of Cluster Bombs noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #28
Very good digging! NWCorona Apr 2016 #31
As someone who married ... beedle Apr 2016 #47
Allergic to facts..pathetic... joeybee12 Apr 2016 #58
Without going through every point, Jarqui Apr 2016 #10
Huerta mercilessly attacked Obama in 08 using many of the exact same smears she used about Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #20
and yet we Obama supporters didn't freak out and call her a corrupt liar geek tragedy Apr 2016 #24
Sanders supporters tend to stick up for him when a liar lies about him. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #44
She's not a liar just because her perception differs from that found geek tragedy Apr 2016 #51
She's a liar because she lied. frylock Apr 2016 #53
It's not a matter of perception. Her BS contradicts his speeches on the Jarqui Apr 2016 #85
Obama was strongly defended againt Hureta's attacks, make no mistake. And she uses the same Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #59
did Obama supporters swarm the Facebook page of her charity? geek tragedy Apr 2016 #61
Facebook in 2008 vs Facebook in 2016 is not the same - FB founded in Feb 2004 - open to the "public" Lucky Luciano Apr 2016 #102
no the difference was Obama supporters understood that there was nothing to be gained geek tragedy Apr 2016 #105
limosine liberals would be hilly's star supporters wendylaroux Apr 2016 #62
Caesar's spirit is shivering Depaysement Apr 2016 #41
Oh dear lord. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #26
This is pure nonsense: Jarqui Apr 2016 #74
You said Dolores Huerta was a small person. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #88
"You said Dolores Huerta was a small person." Jarqui Apr 2016 #89
Are you on a first name basis with Dolores Huerta? geek tragedy Apr 2016 #90
I had not referred to her as Dolores before that post Jarqui Apr 2016 #91
"For all the good some claim she has done" geek tragedy Apr 2016 #92
If I'd claimed that, you might have a point. Unfortunately for you, I didn't. Jarqui Apr 2016 #95
Dawson also repeated the falsehood that Obama had a two year supermajority in the senate. brush Apr 2016 #80
k&r Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #12
No one needs to apologize to that liar jfern Apr 2016 #18
Rosario Dawson owes no apology. The future belongs to the young Autumn Apr 2016 #22
I'm still awaiting an apology from America Ferrara TSIAS Apr 2016 #25
Has Dolores Huerta apologized for lying, yet? Odin2005 Apr 2016 #27
Texas wasn't enough of a lesson for you guys? geek tragedy Apr 2016 #30
So, that's a no. Kall Apr 2016 #35
she was shouted down by a bunch of Bernie people when she offered to translate at the caucus. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #36
They did not shout "English Only", Kall Apr 2016 #43
As soon as: Chasstev365 Apr 2016 #33
Jonathan Capehart apologizes for erasing Bernie from Danny Lyon's photos. Dr. Strange Apr 2016 #82
I'm sure she will as soon as Huerta apologizes to Sanders. Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #34
you all keep on acting like she owes you and Bernie Sanders that. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #37
And you keep acting as though we should worship a liar & feel guilt if we don't. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #45
Lol. She didn't lie, geek tragedy Apr 2016 #46
Hillary Clinton's pattern of lying is well-documented. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #50
lulz go on telling yourselves that nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #52
So Huerta tells multiple lies about Bernie & Obama, but Dawson should apologize to HER? AzDar Apr 2016 #40
The best way to avoid being called a fascist is to call your opponent a fascist first RufusTFirefly Apr 2016 #81
Delores Huerta is a LIAR. Has she apologized for that yet? BillZBubb Apr 2016 #49
Sell outs don't deserve shit.try again. nt wendylaroux Apr 2016 #54
Well when Huerta heard that Rosario Dawson was playing her in the movie Cesar Chavez Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #56
Apparently Dolores is the leftist nutjobs latest whipping post joeybee12 Apr 2016 #57
your a very silly person,go take a nap. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #64
Wow. Amazing how you Hillary folks demonize any woman that goes against your Queen davidn3600 Apr 2016 #60
"Used as a tool" -- THAT'S not sexist? She has no mind of her own? nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #72
Actress Rosario Dawson Should Accept a Position in the Sanders Administration reddread Apr 2016 #68
You should apologize to everyone for months of rancid posts. whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #75
Amen azmom Apr 2016 #78
Oh I disagree, I don't think Dolores Huerta does much for any worker beyond appearing Todays_Illusion Apr 2016 #83
then you know less than nothing about Dolores Huerta, nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #96
the videotape of the incident should also apologize to Dolores Huerta for calling her a liar Vote2016 Apr 2016 #93
Cesar Chavez would approve of Rosario Dawson. kgnu_fan Apr 2016 #94
I'm sure she'll get right on it ibegurpard Apr 2016 #100
shutupShutUpSHUTUPSSSHHHHUUUTTTUUUPPP!!!! Cowpunk Apr 2016 #103

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
1. I heard about this yesterday. Dawson was insinuating that since millennials don't know who Huerta
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:05 PM
Apr 2016

is, that Huerta is no longer relevant.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
3. Its so sick of these surrogates
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:12 PM
Apr 2016

to insult civil rights icons!

What the hell is wrong with these ungrateful idiots?

Response to upaloopa (Reply #1)

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
76. Dolores Would Do Well To LISTEN To Rosario Dawson Who Makes Far More Sense Than Clyburn!
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:36 PM
Apr 2016
To "Shill" is no virtue!

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
77. Thanks for the link
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:38 PM
Apr 2016

I guess the people wanting her to apologize have no link to Dolores apologizing for being misleading if not outright lying.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
15. Guess we shouldn't be surprised
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:29 PM
Apr 2016

that some of these same people actually praise Trump as a revolutionary figure!

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
32. Link please?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:09 PM
Apr 2016

You said:

some of these same people actually praise Trump as a revolutionary figure!


Link please.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
21. the complete and utter trashing of Dolores Huerta and the complete and total
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:43 PM
Apr 2016

lack of respect shown to her--by Sanders supporters not only here but everywhere that was visible--was what convinced me I wanted no part of that movement, that it was more of a social signaling opportunity for the sanctimonious rather than a genuine revoution or movement for social change.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
67. How will we ever go on without his support?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:07 PM
Apr 2016

And by support I mean constant vilification of Bernie, his supporters and everything he stands for.

Woe is us.



joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
101. The reaction to Huerta convinced me we were fucked.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:19 PM
Apr 2016

And the resulting loss in Nevada confirmed that. Sanders supporters immediately pivoting to Trump told the true story there. I knew Weaver had written off SC and was OK with that strategy, but from NV forward the efforts to have a broad based appeal diminished significantly.

This is not Sanders doing though.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
104. I don't think he gets off the hook here.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:51 PM
Apr 2016

He hired these guys, and he's been a big proponent of the one-size fits all approach to arguing about social justice. Which works until it doesn't fit the bedrock of our base, people of color and women.

Angry populist campaigns come down to us vs them. Problem is that it becomes a vicious cycle when there are whole segments of the electorate about whom there was very little effort made to learn. Message falls flat, gets rejected, those not getting on board get deemed not us but them. So we get crap like low information voters, Confederacy, Stockholm Syndrome, we didn't try to win those states, no Internet, etc.

A lot of noise has been made about how it's a matter of people not getting to know the candidate. People know who the candidate is. The problem is that the candidate never bothered to get to know who the voters were.

Him trying to work the tables at a church in South Carolina instead of sitting down and engaging is really quite the microcosm of the campaign. Listening is one of the most underrated political skills.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
106. He's obviously being coached to go this way.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:58 PM
Apr 2016

I mean, you can see it in his eyes he doesn't believe it half the time. Whenever he throws out a smear he often stumbles. The "damn emails" Sanders is the real one. Once this is over watch for a significant pivot in arguing style. It's going to piss off a shitload of Sanders "supporters" because they have been fed this utter stream of vile hatred from Weaver and Devine.

I remember the debates after the hack and predicted Sanders would apologize, and sooooo many people were just astonished.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
107. campaign operatives chase votes and money, it's what they do.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:03 PM
Apr 2016

If he's this easily lead astray but lesser lights like Weaver and Devine, no way in hell is he fit to run the executive branch.

Am I wrong to think he really doesn't want to be President, but is now running on competitive juices?

It will be a tougher pivot than Clinton had to do when endorsing Obama. Her critique on him was that he was too soft, not tough enough, not ready for the fight. Well, he took every punch from her and won, so she could say to her supporters, tough fight but really this guy does have what it takes.

What's he going to say around June 10, sorry the dream is dead learn to love the corrupt system?

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
108. "I said what I had to say."
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:10 PM
Apr 2016

"Embellished half truths to appeal to my base, Clinton will make a fine president."

Of course, Clinton is one to reach out, so they'll likely sit down and discuss what he wants in the platform, so he will march in there and act like he got all these fantastic reforms in the platform. Clinton would probably give him credit.

Obviously though he can't be gracious in defeat like Clinton though, not at this point, there will have to be a show.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
109. my bet would be "please vote for her, get her into office, then hold her accountable"
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:17 PM
Apr 2016

I imagine it would be wrapped up fairly quickly, she wants to get it behind her and he'd be in for some pretty brutal media coverage if he dithered.


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
5. Another smear and another witch hunt for a woman who supports Bernie.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:13 PM
Apr 2016

I'm noticing a disturbing trend and it's ugly.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
14. Women who don't support Hillary are being targeted and bullied, it's despicable.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:26 PM
Apr 2016

Susan was slut shamed, accused of "latching" onto younger men and called vile names by so-called liberals.

I'm sure they're just getting started on Rosario.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
84. David "a little bit slutty and a little bit nutty " Brock made his bones slut shaming and
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:16 PM
Apr 2016

blaming the victim of workplace sexual harassment don't forget.

A black woman of impeccable character I might add, adding a bit of racism to his resume.

The only thing surprising me is that he hasn't started showing off his specialties sooner regarding his misogynistic racism.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
6. What a Hideous Blog Post
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:14 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton campaign supporters - Stop trying to divide people to garner votes for Sec. Clinton. Shame on you!

Though Mexican Americans represent the lion share of the entire Hispanic population pie, we continue to fight for legal immigration reform for all ethnic groups and backgrounds who do not receive automatic citizenship or privileged amnesty the Puerto Ricans and Cubans currently receive.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
13. It's Disgraceful
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:26 PM
Apr 2016

They should lose for this alone. They've tried to divide women, AA and now the Hispanic community merely to get votes. They don't care what happens to the people they are dividing. All they care about is how they can use them. It turns my stomach. I've campaigned for plenty of Democrats in my life (I'm 59) but I've never seen a campaign so carelessly destructive as the Hillary campaign. I am totally turned off to her campaign by this divisive style of campaigning. Let's hope that some honest Hillary supporters speak out about this and shut it down.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
19. Carpet Bombing
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:38 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton campaign's version of carpet bombing. They don't care that innocent people get hurt as long as they get what they want.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
23. Didn't she supply cluster bombs while at the State Department
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:46 PM
Apr 2016

Your analogy is more fitting on second thought

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
28. Hillary Fan of Cluster Bombs
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:58 PM
Apr 2016
On September 6, 2006, a Senate bill--a simple amendment to ban the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas--presented Senator Clinton with a timely opportunity to protect the lives of children throughout the world.

The cluster bomb is one of the most hated and heinous weapons in modern war, and its primary victims are children.

Senator Obama voted for the amendment to ban cluster bombs. Senator Clinton, however, voted with the Republicans to kill the humanitarian bill, an amendment in accord with the Geneva Conventions, which already prohibit the use of indiscriminate weapons in populated areas


http://www.commondreams.org/views/2008/03/13/cluster-bombs-are-not-good-children-hillary.

BTW, Senator Sanders was an original sponsor of this bill. He Voted for the amendment to ban cluster bombs.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
31. Very good digging!
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:07 PM
Apr 2016

People have no idea how deadly these things are or their fail rate. Only to go off when picked up by a kid. Very hard to disarm as well. Trust me

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
47. As someone who married ...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:14 PM
Apr 2016

... into family from SEA, I hold a "special place in hell" for politicians who support these kinds of evil, vile, child, murdering and torturing, weapons.

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
10. Without going through every point,
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:18 PM
Apr 2016

I think Dawson is generally right and if anyone should be apologizing, to me, it should be Huerta apologizing to Bernie Sanders for her dishonest criticism of Sanders position on immigration (I'm going back to her remarks in Nevada).

I do not care what Huerta has done in the past with respect to this issue. Obviously, she did some great things but that doesn't give her license to deceive people about Sanders record.

Good for Rosario Dawson for calling out Huerta on this.

When John Lewis got out of line and was wrong, he was big enough to apologize or correct the record.

Evidently, Huerta isn't.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
20. Huerta mercilessly attacked Obama in 08 using many of the exact same smears she used about
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:39 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie recently. Same characterizations of the supporters of Barack and of Bernie. Same exact material. Obama was on the take to dump nuclear waste on poor people, he refused to meet with Latinos, it was endless, lacks judgement, has not wisdom.....

This interview with her from 2008 demonstrates how correct Dawson was.....

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/1/democratic_presidential_nomination_could_hinge_on

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
24. and yet we Obama supporters didn't freak out and call her a corrupt liar
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:49 PM
Apr 2016

and shout her down in public.

We didn't have limousine liberal folks like Susan Sarandon richsplaining agricultural issues to her.

That's why Obama's campaign succeeded, and why his coalition is the foundation of the modern Democratic party.

For Sanders supporters, Rosario Dawson is courageous hero and Dolores Huerta is a corrupt liar whose allegiance was purchased by bribes from the Clintons.



 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
44. Sanders supporters tend to stick up for him when a liar lies about him.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:07 PM
Apr 2016

And a liar is a liar. If someone wants to be known for their civil rights record, they probably shouldn't eclipse that record by lying in an attempt to deceive people about Sanders.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
51. She's not a liar just because her perception differs from that found
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:19 PM
Apr 2016

inside the Bernie Bubble.

You all go on hating someone whose achievements and dedication and courage you have no hope of ever matching.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
53. She's a liar because she lied.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:31 PM
Apr 2016

The tweet about Bernie bros chanting "ENGLISH ONLY" has still not been corrected. That never happened, regardless of perceptions that differ inside the Bernie bubble.

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
85. It's not a matter of perception. Her BS contradicts his speeches on the
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:05 AM
Apr 2016

immigration vote for example, documented word for word in congress and posted on this site underneath her BS.

Past Walmart board of director Hillary was willing to do as Walmart wished and vote for a bill that would provide Walmart with labor much cheaper than the US minimum wage. Sanders wouldn't support that and said so and why in Congress. But that's not what Huerta spun.She lied or misrepresented what Sanders did that day and why he stated he did it - which was very consistent with his position on that his entire life.

She also stated falsely that Sanders voting record/support for Latinos was terrible as did Luis Gutierrez. But Sanders life time record on immigration issues rates as well or better than Luis Gutierrez with the National Hispanic Leadership Agenda. That isn't possible if Huerta was speaking the truth.

I could go on and on.

It's beyond different perception. It's flat out lying.

And again, I do not care if she thinks she's the second coming of Christ. A lie is still a lie.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
59. Obama was strongly defended againt Hureta's attacks, make no mistake. And she uses the same
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:51 PM
Apr 2016

material and the same coy stances. She's a political operative playing hardball style and she is not above criticism. This is not a religion, we do not have saints. No has the right to play by rules they don't expect to apply to themselves.
According to Dolores, as an Obama supporter you were a hooligan and sort of dangerous and probably bigoted against Latinos. She's say 'I never met him, so I don't know....I don't know....they try to suppress the Latino workers, his supporters, so...I don't know.....'
That's YOU and me, Obama supporters she's talking about. If it was not all true then about Barack and about his supporters that means she is dishonest, and that means she gets called on it when she tries to say the same things about the next candidate. She's not honest. So....I don't know...I don't know.....

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
61. did Obama supporters swarm the Facebook page of her charity?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:55 PM
Apr 2016

Did we see threads like this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511293322

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511292568

Did we see people repeatedly calling her a liar?

Her fucking charity had to put up a post on Facebook saying they weren't being bribed due to the swarm of Bernie trolls.

https://www.facebook.com/doloreshuertafoundation/posts/10154660262894768

As a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization the Dolores Huerta Foundation is absolutely forbidden from directly or indirectly participating in any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. The federal tax law is very strict on the issue of political campaigning.

Dolores is the President of our board and volunteers her time for the DHF. She is an individual and entitled to her own political views and actions. These views and actions do not represent the Dolores Huerta Foundation. If you leave comments relating to any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office, your comments will be deleted and you will be banned from posting on the Dolores Huerta Foundation Facebook Page.

Lucky Luciano

(11,258 posts)
102. Facebook in 2008 vs Facebook in 2016 is not the same - FB founded in Feb 2004 - open to the "public"
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:28 PM
Apr 2016

...for only a couple years at that point, so apples and oranges.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
105. no the difference was Obama supporters understood that there was nothing to be gained
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:57 PM
Apr 2016

from trying to destroy and assail someone like Dolores Huerta.

Obama himself constantly pushed the themes of respect and unity. Sanders pushes angry us vs themism. So, when his supporters here how there's a corrupt system, and that Hillary Clinton is a major problematic part of that corrupt system, then his supporters pick up the message that people who support Clinton support corruption and must be corrupt.

There was a determination to respect others regardless of whether they agreed with him on Obama's part, that Sanders completely lacks.


wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
62. limosine liberals would be hilly's star supporters
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:58 PM
Apr 2016

Bernies' star supporters don't care to pay higher taxes for the good of the people.


 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
26. Oh dear lord.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:53 PM
Apr 2016
When John Lewis got out of line and was wrong, he was big enough to apologize or correct the record.

Evidently, Huerta isn't.




http://www.salon.com/2016/02/22/dolores_huerta_takes_on_bernies_base_nevada_caucus_flap_speaks_volumes_about_the_frustrations_of_sanders_supporters/

So it’s easy to see why Sanders supporters want to yell at Huerta. She’s an easy punching bag for those frustrated with voters they believe should vote for Sanders but stubbornly refuse to do what Sanders supporters want them to do. (It’s similar to way that older female Clinton supporters have gotten bossy with younger women who vote Sanders.) Painting Huerta as delusional, corrupt or a liar makes the loss of these voting blocs easier to swallow, because the alternative possibility, that Clinton voters know what they are doing, is too painful to contemplate.

The problem is that dog-piling Huerta is exactly the wrong way to go about appealing to women, people of color, or labor organizers. The accusations of lying are a stark reminder of how women or people of color have long been treated as more mendacious than white men, and the lack of respect for an iconic labor organizer calls into question if these self-proclaimed socialists have even a basic understanding of what socialism is, or the centrality of labor concerns to the very concept of socialism. (This isn’t helped by the fact that the Sanders campaign is far more focused on middle-class benefits and Wall Street corruption than traditional socialist concerns like labor organizing or welfare for the poor.)

The attacks on Huerta also reinforce the very image that the Sanders campaign needs to get away from, which is that it’s about a bunch of well-off white men who are more interested in pushing people around than creating a progressive coalition. Of course, the odds of Sanders actually winning now are incredibly low. The coalition didn’t form and Clinton is on the path to the nomination. That we’re seeing a shift away from trying to play nice to lashing out isn’t too surprising, under the circumstances. But it’s still disappointing to see would-be socialists attacking a scion of the labor movement in this way.


Wannabe keyboard revolutionaries arrogating to themselves the moral authority to literally talk about how small Dolores Huerta is?



Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
74. This is pure nonsense:
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:31 PM
Apr 2016
"The problem is that dog-piling Huerta is exactly the wrong way to go about appealing to women, people of color, or labor organizers"

You do not kiss the ass of someone who is spreading false information about someone else. Huerta did that with Sanders record and I do not care whether she is a man or woman, pink, yellow, red, black or whatever pigmentation you want to conjure up or whether she organizes labor, cleans toilets or runs a Wall Street firm.

It's got absolutely nothing to do with any of that crap.

Huerta made bogus claims about Sanders record. She either knew or should have known. That makes her a spreader of false information - regardless of her sex, color or job.

If she lies or misinforms in front of me, it is my democratic right and duty to call her out and say "You know what folks, as much as they lady might have done some good in her life, that does not give her the privilege to misinform Americans without being call on it." That's all Rosario Dawson really did.

I don't care if it's Dolores Huerta, Barack Obama or God himself. Misinforming people is misinforming people. There is zero doubt in my mind Huerta is guilty of misinforming people and she's perpetuating that in her article - long after she heard the uproar in Nevada.

Good for Ms Dawson for calling her out! Sorry for the jerk at Salon who conjured up the pathetic, ignorant nonsense and spewed it into an article. Nobody has to kiss the arse of citizens who misinform - regardless of their past.

No quarter for those hiding behind their skirt, their complexion or their job. If we're all truly equal, none of that stuff matters. It's got absolutely nothing to do with it. NOBODY is above criticism when they are spreading false stuff about another person. That is democracy and where I come from, that's non-negotiable.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
88. You said Dolores Huerta was a small person.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:00 AM
Apr 2016

Because her version of reality differed from that shared by the communal Sanders supporter consciousness.


I find that funny, coming from people who lap up everything HA Goodman and Seth Abramson dish out.

Sanders supporters know everything and possess supreme moral authority, as anyone on Twittet or Facebook knows, including the people who run the Facebook page for the Dolores Huerta Foundation and its Facebook page.

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
89. "You said Dolores Huerta was a small person."
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:24 AM
Apr 2016

I did not say that. That's a strawman. Kinda like something Dolores would say lately - it's BS.

"I find that funny, coming from people who lap up everything HA Goodman and Seth Abramson dish out."


I find it funny coming from someone in tiny talent fantasy land who makes smears up like Dolores to try to make a fictitious point. It's a blatantly ignorant comment. My record on Goodman is crystal clear- he's an idiot.

My record on "Seth Abramson" is very brief. I've only seen one article:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511489559#post6
where I likened him to HA Goodman

Grow up and get acquainted with the facts before spewing wrong things about people like Dolores.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
90. Are you on a first name basis with Dolores Huerta?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:42 AM
Apr 2016

I'm guessing no. So kind of odd to refer to her as "Dolores"


When John Lewis got out of line and was wrong, he was big enough to apologize or correct the record.

Apparently Huerta isn't.


I like how you posed that as Lewis being "out of line." Kind of goes with the attitude taken towards Huertaz

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
91. I had not referred to her as Dolores before that post
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:57 AM
Apr 2016

I only did so in response to a poster who referred to her as Dolores.

1. Strange or biased that you wouldn't call them out for it.
2. Whether I called her Dolores or Huerta or "Huertaz" as you did doesn't really matter. She stated false things about Sanders repeatedly and she's being called on it regardless of what name we type to identify her.

This is just more smoke like the article trying to hide behind her skirt or her race.

Lewis was out of line with some of the things he said and he admitted it. Huerta was out of line with things she said but won't admit it - she just carries on with her smears. I guess she falls closer to Hillary's dishonest ways like Huerta did in 2008 against Obama.

I didn't know as much about Dolores Huerta as I did John Lewis. But one thing is for sure: for all of the good some claim she has done, I know her as a dishonest person because after the facts got pointed out to her, unlike John Lewis, she kept up repeating the dishonest facts.

John Lewis proved the kind of man he's always been. He was at least man enough to admit some of his error. Dolores Huerta is no John Lewis and after this, in my eyes, never will be. Like the candidate she supports, she's not an honest person.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
92. "For all the good some claim she has done"
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:34 AM
Apr 2016

Pathetic. As in I feel sorry for anyone who is so ignorant of the history of the struggle for civil and labor rights that they would openly disclaim having any knowledge of Dolores Huerta's role in that history.

Astonishing ignorance.


Sad.

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
95. If I'd claimed that, you might have a point. Unfortunately for you, I didn't.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:44 AM
Apr 2016

You're just doing what Dolores Huerta and Hillary do - standing on your soap box stating things that are not true or accurate.

I said:

"I didn't know as much about Dolores Huerta as I did John Lewis"


I got to know a fair amount about John Lewis because I supported MLK when he was alive. Not knowing Huerta as well does not equate to your claim of "openly disclaim having any knowledge of Dolores Huerta's role in that history."

I'm well aware of her civil rights efforts. But when she cannot be honest, those efforts are tainted by the stain of dishonesty and become a more distant thing of the past. One cannot rest on their laurels forever and have repeated dishonest acts excused by things they did years before.

Unfortunately, all your false claim proves is this is beyond your ability to read and comprehend what people are saying and as result, all you are able to contribute are strawman arguments.

brush

(53,820 posts)
80. Dawson also repeated the falsehood that Obama had a two year supermajority in the senate.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:52 PM
Apr 2016

That gets repeated over and over and over again, even here on DU, as a not-so-subtle way to bash Obama.

The facts are that because of the long delay in the Al Franken confirmation because of that recount with Coleman Franken wasn't confirmed until July of 2009. And that still didn't give the president the super majority of 60 votes needed to overcome repug filibusters (an unprecedented 400 of them). Then there was the Senate summer recess, the holiday recess, Teddy Kennedy died, and other things. There were only 5 months of an on-paper 60 votes in the Senate and they weren't contiguous. I say "on-paper" and not really usable because of events that happened. Here's the real rundown:


There actually wasn’t a two year supermajority.

This timeline shows the facts.

President Obama was sworn in on January 20, 2009 with just 58 Senators to support his agenda.

He should have had 59, but Republicans contested Al Franken’s election in Minnesota and he didn’t get seated for seven months (July of '09).

The President’s cause was helped in April when Pennsylvania’s Republican Senator Arlen Specter switched parties.

That gave the President 59 votes — still a vote shy of the super majority.

But one month later, Democratic Senator Byrd of West Virginia was hospitalized and was basically out of commission.

So while the President’s number on paper was 59 Senators — he was really working with just 58 Senators.

Then in July, Minnesota Senator Al Franken was finally sworn in, giving President Obama the magic 60 — but only in theory, because Senator Byrd was still out.

In August, Senator Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts died and the number went back down to 59 again until Paul Kirk temporarily filled Kennedy’s seat in September.

Any pretense of a supermajority ended on February 4, 2010 when Republican Scott Brown was sworn into the seat Senator Kennedy once held. Do you see a two-year supermajority?"

So let's stop perpetuating, maybe unknowingly, what is really a repug talking point. There was no two year super majority that Obama squandered.

And maybe pull the coat of uninformed surrogates and others who repeat that crap.

TSIAS

(14,689 posts)
25. I'm still awaiting an apology from America Ferrara
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:52 PM
Apr 2016

She spread the lie that Bernie supporters were chanting "English only!"

I will not partake in any of her commercial ventures until she issues an apology for that scandalous tweet.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
30. Texas wasn't enough of a lesson for you guys?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:02 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/texas/exit/

Just because her perception of reality differed from that inside the Bernie Bubble does not make her an evil liar.

Please, go ahead. It was fun watching this blow up in your face the first time.

Kall

(615 posts)
35. So, that's a no.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:26 PM
Apr 2016

Her "perception of reality differed." Kind of like the Bosnian Sniper Fire incident, I guess.

One would hope that since actual reality was captured on video and contradicted her perception of it, she would clarify that her perception wasn't what happened.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
36. she was shouted down by a bunch of Bernie people when she offered to translate at the caucus.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:40 PM
Apr 2016

That in fact did happen.

Was she going to jump through hoops to satisfy the Millennials on Twitter calling her a corrupt liar?



Go ahead and keep on assuring yourselves of your moral superiority to actual revolutionaries and activists. Because, between satisfying one's self of righteousness and conducting effective outreach, we all know what is more important to y'all.

Kall

(615 posts)
43. They did not shout "English Only",
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:03 PM
Apr 2016

they called for an unaffiliated translator, as video of the incident demonstrated.

Clarifying that what happened is not what she said happened is not "jumping through hoops", it's the least that people have a right to expect.

I'm not about to argue about whether sticking with versions of events which never happened to paint people as racists in the name of electoral victory is okay. You go right ahead. Apparently the Bush crew weren't the only ones who felt they could create their own reality.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
33. As soon as:
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:20 PM
Apr 2016

1. John Lewis apologizes to Bernie for saying he was not part of the Civil Rights Movement 2. DWS apologizes to Bernie for rigging the game for Hillary. 3. The person who made sure Bernie was left off the ballot in DC apologizes to him. 4. Hillary apologizes to the woman she yelled at yesterday.

Can anyone add on??????

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
37. you all keep on acting like she owes you and Bernie Sanders that.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:41 PM
Apr 2016

Sure is working out well for you.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
45. And you keep acting as though we should worship a liar & feel guilt if we don't.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:10 PM
Apr 2016

Nope nope nope. Not happening.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
40. So Huerta tells multiple lies about Bernie & Obama, but Dawson should apologize to HER?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:49 PM
Apr 2016

Interesting...

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
81. The best way to avoid being called a fascist is to call your opponent a fascist first
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:54 PM
Apr 2016

A certain campaign has been using a variation of that despicable strategy. Continuously. And with a vengeance.

And I don't like its tone.

Nanjeanne

(4,974 posts)
56. Well when Huerta heard that Rosario Dawson was playing her in the movie Cesar Chavez
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:38 PM
Apr 2016

she was surprised because they didn't look very much alike but she considered Dawson an outstanding actress and was very pleased.

I figure those two people can work out their own differences. Dawson's letter to Huerta was very respectful but honest about her feelings. How Huerta responded I have no idea. But they are grown ups and can work it out amongst themselves I would think. I don't think blogs and postings on DU mean much to either of them.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
57. Apparently Dolores is the leftist nutjobs latest whipping post
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:44 PM
Apr 2016

Now Dawson after Susan the idiot Sarandon lied about her during the Nevada caucus.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
60. Wow. Amazing how you Hillary folks demonize any woman that goes against your Queen
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:54 PM
Apr 2016

Yesterday it was Susan Sarandon. Today it's Rosario Dawson.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
68. Actress Rosario Dawson Should Accept a Position in the Sanders Administration
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:08 PM
Apr 2016


how many people wanna kick some ass?

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
83. Oh I disagree, I don't think Dolores Huerta does much for any worker beyond appearing
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:08 PM
Apr 2016

with conservative anti-union conservative anti-minimum wage increase third way Democratic.

Cowpunk

(719 posts)
103. shutupShutUpSHUTUPSSSHHHHUUUTTTUUUPPP!!!!
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:34 PM
Apr 2016

How dare you question the words of such an icon. Check your Puerto Rican privilege, little girl.

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