2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie surrogate from Hollywood TRASHES President Obama in Harlem, declares him a failure
since month two of his Presidency.
Rosario Dawson trashed President Obama today while speaking on behalf of Bernie Sanders's Presidential campaign.
Why does the star of Jose and the Pussycats and Men in Black II consider President Obama a failure?
Because he didn't use Twitter enough. And she says Republican obstructionism didn't really play a contributing role.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/4/1/1509056/-Rosario-Dawson-Obama-presidency-a-failure
Emily Cahn ?@CahnEmily
.@rosariodawson now attacking @BarackObama. Says w/in 2 mos of his presidency people lost faith. Says he didn't use Twitter enough.
1:23 PM - 1 Apr 2016 · Manhattan, NY, United States
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?@GideonResnick
Most interesting critique from this panel is Rosario Dawson suggesting people lost faith in Obama because he didn't use twitter enough
1:48 PM - 1 Apr 2016
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https://twitter.com/GideonResnick/status/715958909048131585?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
.@rosariodawson says of @BarackObama not reaching all his goals "to say it was all obstructionism is fallacy"
1:24 PM - 1 Apr 2016 · Manhattan, NY, United States
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https://twitter.com/CahnEmily/status/715953004340514817?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Reminder: she did this in Harlem.
Was Cornel West unavailable?
salinsky
(1,065 posts).... these people ....
LisaM
(27,827 posts)Frankly, I never heard of her till she started with this.
Hopefully New Yorkers can see through all this better than people in Washington (where I live) did.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)not very well informed.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and failure actually mean
I'd never heard of her prior to this campaign.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)LisaM
(27,827 posts)It's true that I tend to like movies based on books, arty movies, and indie movies. From reading up on her, she seems to be more into the special effects/superhero kind of movies that I don't really care for.
I still don't think she's particularly famous. I have obviously heard of Susan Sarandon and have enjoyed her acting in many movies, even though I'm not really into her harassing Dolores Huerta and saying she'll vote for Trump. Or not. Or maybe. Point being that she actually is a real star.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)I'm just messing with you. We all have different tastes in movies. I'm in the same boat as you as far as movies are concerned. If it's a big box office thing, I won't see it unless it's absolutely amazing. I haven't seen Dawson star in anything, but the movies I did see her in were more indie like and she did a great job acting in them.
LisaM
(27,827 posts)So if it's got a lot of blowing things up, I'm out. Last movie I saw was "Carol".
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)But I do like some psychological thriller stuff. I just started watching this series with my Netflix account called "Wayward Pines". I'm two episodes into the first season and I like what I've seen so far
LisaM
(27,827 posts)I could watch those all day long, especially if Irene Dunne is in them.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)I'll have to look that stuff up. Have great weekend
LisaM
(27,827 posts)Nedsdag
(2,437 posts)So much for democracy.
I don't think most Hillary supporters go around touting celebrity endorsements, so I'm not sure where you are going with this.
choie
(4,111 posts)How many posts are there about George Clooney fundraisers and Barbara Streisand and Gloria Steinem screeds about how sexist criticism towards Clinton is.
LisaM
(27,827 posts)Gloria Steinem, bad! George Clooney - bad! Amal Clooney - bad! Raising money for down ticket races - bad!
Not sure I noticed anything about Streisand, but I'll check it out.
choie
(4,111 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)If those tweets are accurate, she is one seriously clueless woman.
LexVegas
(6,091 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)LexVegas
(6,091 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)But, no appearances.
Very odd.
Maybe he respects Obama too much.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)brush
(53,837 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)folks not even the slightest bit interested in Hillary to give her another look.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)I thought we used to use these sources all the time around here
But now we can't because they tell the truth about Bernie
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)Just because Emily Cahn posts one tweet taken out of context - and it gets repeated by other people who didn't watch the roundtable - doesn't make it true. Just makes it stupid. To see posts here again from people who didn't watch, who like repeated some anonymous person on twitter as fact -- so damn sad.
An audience member talked about feeling invisible sometimes in the Obama administration. She said she appreciated "Your Brother's Keeper" program but up until recently felt invisible. It's one thing to have grass roots activisim but what about drafting the legislation. Dawson said that she understood - that people get excited, they think they have their guy but then within a few months people get disillusioned. The point about twitter was that Obama had great organization during the campaign but that after he was elected he didn't realize how he could have kept the momentum going through social media and that to say it was all obstructionism is a fallacy because he did have the House and Senate but they were lost because the momentum was lost.
This is something that many people have written about - and it's something Sanders talks about - how people have to stay active - they have to stay involved - but they need to feel motivated. As someone who "lost faith" after President Obama gave up the public option and went behind closed doors with the pharmaceutical industry during the healthcare debate - after being a member of the OFA and campaigning strongly for him . . . I understand completely what Rosario was saying and how she was answering this member of the audience. She talked about how disappointed she was that the Violence Against Women Act was stagnated for so long because they didn't want to include trans women . . . well
Here's a link folks. It's an hour of fascinating conversation with women - decide for yourself what is being said.
https://www.facebook.com/NowThisElection/
On stage: Rosario Dawson, actress and co-founder of Voto Latino, Michelle Alexander, author of 'The New Jim Crow', Tessa Thompson, actress and self-proclaimed 'female agitator' and Donna Hylton, criminal justice advocate in Harlem.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)thing in the political sphere.
Sanders's surrogates forget they're addressing Democrats instead of Green Party voters.
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)That hour was fascinating and something every Democratic woman should be watching and thinking about. There was no moronic blather. Well maybe in this thread.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)option through Congress has zero understanding of how the political process works.
She was a big fan of Clint Eastwood's infamous empty chair speech at the RNC in 2012. Apparently she's not very smart, and just doesn't like President Obama.
There are a lot of celebrities who think they're a lot smarter than they are.
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)someone says. They are meant to provoke. This was a discussion. IRosario Dawson didn't say anything like what you want to believe but there's no arguing with someone who is intent on believing a tweet rather than listening for themselves. But since you think she was a big fan of Clint Eastwood's infamous empty speech - I assume you read "about" that too rather than her exact words. She wasn't a fan of his positions and it had nothing to do with Obama. But that would require you actually searching for her entire statement on that. And I'm sure that's too much trouble . . .
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)with the credentials of Nydia Velazquez?
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)process. Maybe because she spoke at the 2009 National Conference on the Primary Prevention of Men's Violence Against Women in Washington, D.C., and served as honorary host of the fourth annual "Our Voices: Celebrating Diversity in Media" event at the White House Correspondents' Dinner in 2013.
Oh, and for those who are intent on bringing up what she said about Eastwood at the RNC - she did praise him . . . for his "improv" style. For being brave and getting up and saying what he thought. She also said she didn't agree with all his positions but thought it took courage for him to just let himself be true to himself. That was her "praise" . . . oh . . . and she endorsed and campaigned for Obama in 2012.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)actual activists and people who implement change
brush
(53,837 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)LisaM
(27,827 posts)I personally thought it was one of the most excruciating things I've ever watched on television - I was embarrassed for him, for the country, for the Republicans, and for the acting profession in general. It was mind-numblingly bad entertainment, the fact that he's even lived it down is shocking to me.
http://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/news/a404598/clint-eastwoods-rnc-speech-was-really-good-says-rosario-dawson/
brush
(53,837 posts)That gets repeated over and over and over again, even here on DU, as a not-so-subtle way to bash Obama.
The facts are that because of the long delay in the Al Franken confirmation because of that recount with Coleman Franken wasn't confirmed until July of 2009. And that still didn't give the president the super majority of 60 votes needed to overcome repug filibusters (an unprecedented 400 of them). Then there was the Senate summer recess, the holiday recess, Teddy Kennedy died, and other things. There were only 5 months of an on-paper 60 votes in the Senate and they weren't contiguous. I say "on-paper" and not really usable because of events that happened. Here's the real rundown:
There actually wasnt a two year supermajority.
This timeline shows the facts.
President Obama was sworn in on January 20, 2009 with just 58 Senators to support his agenda.
He should have had 59, but Republicans contested Al Frankens election in Minnesota and he didnt get seated for seven months (July of '09).
The Presidents cause was helped in April when Pennsylvanias Republican Senator Arlen Specter switched parties.
That gave the President 59 votes still a vote shy of the super majority.
But one month later, Democratic Senator Byrd of West Virginia was hospitalized and was basically out of commission.
So while the Presidents number on paper was 59 Senators he was really working with just 58 Senators.
Then in July, Minnesota Senator Al Franken was finally sworn in, giving President Obama the magic 60 but only in theory, because Senator Byrd was still out.
In August, Senator Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts died and the number went back down to 59 again until Paul Kirk temporarily filled Kennedys seat in September.
Any pretense of a supermajority ended on February 4, 2010 when Republican Scott Brown was sworn into the seat Senator Kennedy once held. Do you see a two-year supermajority?"
So let's stop perpetuating, maybe unknowingly, what is really a repug talking point. There was no two year super majority that Obama squandered.
And maybe stop defending an uninformed surrogate who repeats that crap.
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)brush
(53,837 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Voto Latino is a pioneering civic media organization that seeks to transform America by recognizing Latinos innate leadership. Through innovative digital campaigns, pop culture, and grassroots voices, we provide culturally relevant programs that engage, educate and empower Latinos to be agents of change. Together, we aim to build a stronger and more inclusive democracy.
http://votolatino.org/about-us/
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)total game-changer
Why not the founders of this organization:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_%28organization%29
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)Translation: Whaaaa, I didn't have enough attention paid to me!!111
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)Oooops!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)To: Team
Subject: R. Dawson
Trash her all day please. Meanwhile I will attack the Greenpeace issue on BNR.
Sincerely,
DB
That's how I envision this morning's e-mail.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Having watched the whole thing (thanks to the link provided).
I have to say that misleading tweet is quite laughable, but to be expected by any source controlled by Brock's "media sources" such as his propaganda sites (owned by his superPAC that fired everyone replacing them with propaganda specialists) Blue Nation Review or Correct the Record, also owned by the same Brock superPAC that illegally coordinates directly with the campaign, (illegal unless your name is Clinton at least) and now the Beast that Chelsea was placed on the board in order to help Brock with the coordinated superPAC and campaign propaganda.
Has David Brock called ms. Dawson "a little bit slutty and a little bit nutty yet?" If not give it time, he is a vulgar smear of misogynistic slime. Probably a racist as well, because the last time he called someone that it was an African American professional woman of impeccable character that was not only a victim of sexual harassment, but of slut shaming and victim blaming directed toward her by David Brock himself.
They will no doubt enjoy the false and Brock authored hate meme of the day.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)and politically, by every which way.
The Clintons have a attack machine just to keep the political class terrified of them.
It's easy to see why she has the backing of all the politicians and superdelegates. They are all scared to death of her.
dchill
(38,520 posts)Look at all those recs! Off to the Greatest...
Oh never mind.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)But if we're not....damn.
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Sanders has horrible surrogates.
livetohike
(22,157 posts)self righteousness. Sick of it.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Which makes sense.
mac56
(17,574 posts)Really?
mcar
(42,372 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)to meddle in the affairs of State, but it's Rosario Dawson who is TRASHING President Obama. Okay.
beaglelover
(3,488 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)(especially in her younger years), and there's some alternate dimension somewhere that she's my wife, but she has strayed way off the reservation here....
Can anybody help me out here? *WHY* is the Sanders campaign still running against Obama, who is NOT in the race?
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)But, a little harder to actually watch the video of what they said. I trust you will get around to that sometime soon and will feel some regrets for posting in haste something someone on Twitter said.
Gothmog
(145,489 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)than their own ears. They can listen to the actual 1 hour discussion - but it's so much easier to quote a tweet and get all bent out of shape.
But the worst is the misleading OP title - even if you believe the silliness that Dawson said Obama disappointed people because he didn't use twitter - that's not exactly "trashing" President Obama. But then - the only people who think any of this matters are the Clinton supporters who need something to pin on Sanders and somehow taking out of context words from someone who is an actress is their golden ring . . .
and me - who actually listened to the roundtable when it was on - and enjoyed it tremendously and came here to discover this nonsense!
melman
(7,681 posts)Using 'Hollywood' as a pejorative is straight out of the Sean Hannity handbook. How gross.
http://nymag.com/nymetro/movies/features/12510/index1.html
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)In her into to Spike Lee yesterday in the Bronx she said she grew up in Brooklyn, her mother grew up in the Bronx - but really - - who cares?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)but I'm not gonna act like that means I have some special bond with a state I haven't lived in for 25 years.
Don't even get me started on Spike Lee ...
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)You know what you were doing. No sense in pretending otherwise.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Yavin4
(35,445 posts)treaty on global warming, signed a nuclear treaty with Iran, opened up relations with Cuba and visited there, country is at full employment and growing, stock market has returned all their losses from Bush's presidency, allowed the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy to expire, and marriage equality is the law of the land.
Yeah, he's a failure because he didn't tweet about it.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Talk about your double standard fandangos! 'She says Twitter is a good communications device, how silly, I have to Tweet about that repeatedly!!!!'
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)your eyes from what's awaiting Bernie Sanders here.
Clinton's supporters here--and I'm not talking Wall Street, I'm talking elected officials from the poorest, most diverse areas of the city and other community leaders--have been eager to take some whacks at him. And the sanctimonious finger-wagging from St. Bernard et al has finally resulted in the go-ahead being given.
brush
(53,837 posts)Twitter barely came out in '08 and few people had even heard about it so for her to criticize Obama for not using it is pretty silly.
She also states that Obama had a two-year majority in the house and senate. That is a falsehood repeated over and over and over by the uniformed.
It's really a repug talking point that too many dems have accept hook, line and sinker as the truth.
Here's link that shows the time line from when Obama was elected to Feb 2010 when Scott Brown was elected to take over Ted Kennedy's old seat which hardened in place the repug obstructionism, which, btw, Dawson said minimized as a "fallacy".
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennifer-m-granholm/debunking-the-myth-obamas_b_1929869.html
Dawson needs to get her facts straight.
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Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)...Oh no, that was Hillary's husband.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)but Bill didn't say that and never rushed out to correct it, if that was his meaning.