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RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:45 PM Apr 2016

Yet Another Bogus Story About Clinton’s “Email Scandal” Collapses

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45805_Yet_Another_Bogus_Story_About_Clintons_Email_Scandal_Collapses

SNIP

But even that “corrected” number is wildly inflated!

Ari Melber at NBC News reported on Wednesday:


A former federal law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the Clinton investigation tells MSNBC an estimate anywhere near 50 agents is also off base.

“There are currently about 12 FBI agents working full-time on the case,” says the source, who would only speak anonymously about an open investigation.

A former FBI official, also speaking anonymously, says many in the law enforcement community view the large estimates of people assigned to the case as completely improbable.

“147 was such a ridiculous number,” said the source, adding that 50 also sounded unrealistic for this kind of inquiry. “You need an act of terrorism to get 50 agents working on something,” said the former FBI official.
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Yet Another Bogus Story About Clinton’s “Email Scandal” Collapses (Original Post) RockaFowler Apr 2016 OP
The original WaPo story cited an anonymous lawmaker as the source ... salinsky Apr 2016 #1
or just the Party of the source. that would be enough. Bill USA Apr 2016 #32
Another Anonymous Source noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #2
Can't wait for Indictment Day... n/t Merryland Apr 2016 #4
I hope you have a longtime rbrnmw Apr 2016 #21
Curious thing for a Democrat to say ... Are you sure you're in the right spot? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #27
Kinda like Fitzmas. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #31
one anonymous source vs another anonymous source- "sounded" unrealistic isn't "direct knowledge"... virtualobserver Apr 2016 #3
I Agree noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #5
The post, who's "source" said 147 now says... pantsonfire Apr 2016 #6
"currently " NWCorona Apr 2016 #7
Exactly... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2016 #29
Yes...Currently...is the key word. KoKo Apr 2016 #35
And 12 is good? Milestone Apr 2016 #8
If you only have 10-20 FBI agents investigating you on a full time basis it is no big deal. BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #10
.+1 840high Apr 2016 #15
+100 eom Karma13612 Apr 2016 #30
Little Green Footballs? That's some source you've got there BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #9
Hey guess what I can post Wikipedia Pages, too RockaFowler Apr 2016 #13
So if it's only 12 FBI agents it's no big deal huh? BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #16
That the whole story may be bogus RockaFowler Apr 2016 #19
LOL, you don't by any chance wear a tinfoil hat do you? BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #22
the IC IG did not make a criminal referral- it was a security referral - Intelligence Community IG & Bill USA Apr 2016 #33
Probable number was higher, now been reduced unc70 Apr 2016 #11
If only one FBI agent is investigating her that is not a fucking win. Autumn Apr 2016 #12
#nothingtoseehere After all, its only 12 or so. jmg257 Apr 2016 #14
Anything bad about Hillary and the Bernie people eat it up cosmicone Apr 2016 #17
Now we can't even post links to favorable sites RockaFowler Apr 2016 #20
Oooh, I would be so relieved if I only had 12 FBI agents after me! thereismore Apr 2016 #18
lol, right? Marr Apr 2016 #26
The key words here are "full time" nichomachus Apr 2016 #23
You do know that the 147 was a bogus number RockaFowler Apr 2016 #24
currently frylock Apr 2016 #37
The RW will keep making stuff up Progressive dog Apr 2016 #25
Not sure the point of this? basselope Apr 2016 #28
The person who made the OP is suggesting the whole FBI investigation story is bogus BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #34
I'm laughing at the 'superior' intellect. Maedhros Apr 2016 #36
Phew! frylock Apr 2016 #38

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
1. The original WaPo story cited an anonymous lawmaker as the source ...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:48 PM
Apr 2016

... for the wildly inflated number.

They should be pressured to divulge the identity of the ratfucker.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
2. Another Anonymous Source
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:49 PM
Apr 2016

All of the sources reporting the number of FBI agents working on the investigation have been anonymous sources. Some want to claim 15 - some 50 and others 147. None of us knows the actual number.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
3. one anonymous source vs another anonymous source- "sounded" unrealistic isn't "direct knowledge"...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:50 PM
Apr 2016

why would a former law enforcement official have direct knowledge?

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
5. I Agree
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:56 PM
Apr 2016

Why indeed. People need to stop worrying about the # of agents investigating. Every report about the # of FBI agents comes from anonymous sources and should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

pantsonfire

(1,306 posts)
6. The post, who's "source" said 147 now says...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:58 PM
Apr 2016
Update March 29 8:10 pm: The article cited in this piece said that 147 FBI agents had been detailed to the investigation, citing a lawmaker briefed by FBI Director James B. Comey. Two U.S. law enforcement officials have since told The Washington Post that that figure is too high. The FBI will not provide an exact figure, but the officials say the number of FBI personnel involved is fewer than 50. The headline has been corrected accordingly. I apologize for the error.


"Two anonymous law enforcement officials to NBC's source close to the investigation"....we won't know until they conclude the investigation. 50 sounds a bit more realistic, given the amount of emails, 60,000 they had to go through......

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
29. Exactly...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:45 PM
Apr 2016

The investigation by the FBI has been going on since at least the summer of 2015. To think the number of agents assigned to the case would remain static over that time is ridiculous. Probably the peak number of agents was reached during the time that the tens-of-thousands of emails had to be reviewed for confidential information, who received/sent such information, etc.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
35. Yes...Currently...is the key word.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:11 PM
Apr 2016
“There are currently about 12 FBI agents working full-time on the case,” says the source, who would only speak anonymously about an open investigation.


There could have been many more investigating different aspects of the collection and securing of materials and research and retrieval of additional information over the last many months...but, fewer now because they are nearing conclusion.
 

Milestone

(37 posts)
8. And 12 is good?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:02 PM
Apr 2016

147. 50. 12. Does it even matter? It seems to me that a person running for president shouldn't even have one full time agent investigating them.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
10. If you only have 10-20 FBI agents investigating you on a full time basis it is no big deal.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:07 PM
Apr 2016

Nothing to see here. There never is with the Clintons. Move along.

Karma13612

(4,554 posts)
30. +100 eom
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:47 PM
Apr 2016

Wondering if that is why Hillary has been getting a bit more upset when she is confronted.

Green peace
NY debate vs TONE

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
9. Little Green Footballs? That's some source you've got there
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:04 PM
Apr 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Green_Footballs

<Little Green Footballs (LGF) is an American political blog run by web designer Charles Johnson. The site critically covers the activities of American right-wing from a center to far-left perspective. For years at its beginning, the site was right wing and known for its advocacy of the War on Terrorism and the Iraq War, as well its strident criticism of political Islam.>

<After eight years of being a leading right wing blog, LGF started condemning racism and the far-right (especially the Belgian party Vlaams Belang). After that, the site abruptly switched sides and now "LGF has become better known for the various fights it picks with many on the right."[who?][4] During the transition period, Johnson deleted many of his more extreme past entries on the site, deleted entire comment sections, and banned many of the former right wing commentators from the site.[5]>

<In early September, 2010, it was discovered that Johnson had begun altering some posts and deleting others which expressed sentiments which were substantively similar to the ones he had recently been condemning others for. In one example, Johnson had been condemning opponents of the Park51 project as "bigots", though he had expressed similar opposition to the proposed Flight 93 memorial, which he described as an "Islamic Shrine". Johnson was discovered to have deleted these posts without acknowledging their deletion.[17] Johnson had also described the lead figure in the Park51 project, Feisal Abdul Rauf, as an "Islamic Supremacist," but later revised that description from the post without acknowledging the change[18]>

Do some of you not realize we're on the internet where the quality of your sources and the veracity of your statements can be checked out in minutes?

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
16. So if it's only 12 FBI agents it's no big deal huh?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:16 PM
Apr 2016

I'm not interested in whatever the founder of Little Green Footballs claims he is or believes in now.

So what is the point of your OP, that the FBI investigation into Hillary's private email server and related issues are part of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy?

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
22. LOL, you don't by any chance wear a tinfoil hat do you?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:29 PM
Apr 2016

You think the FBI investigation into Hillary, the one she and her campaign have acknowledged, might not really exist?

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
33. the IC IG did not make a criminal referral- it was a security referral - Intelligence Community IG &
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:58 PM
Apr 2016

...State Dept IG


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1618460



https://oig.state.gov/system/files/statement_of_the_icig_and_oig_regarding_review_of_clintons_emails_july_24_2015.pdf


IC IG made a referral detailing the potential compromise of classified information to security
officials within the Executive Branch. The main purpose of the refe rral was to notify security
officials that classified information may exist on at least one private server and thumb drive
that are not in the government's possession. An important distinction is that the IC IG did not
make a criminal referral- it was a security referral made for counterintelligence purposes. The
IC IG is statutorily required to refer potential compromises of national security information to
the appropriate IC security officials.




unc70

(6,117 posts)
11. Probable number was higher, now been reduced
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:09 PM
Apr 2016

Given the phases of the investigation, quite likely that "scores" of agents were involved with retrieval and review of more than 60 thousand emails of all types. A lot of tedious work during that discovery phase.

The next phase would require far fewer agents as the significant emails were explored and interviews with lower staff, hackers, and others were completed.

The investigation is now to the point of interviewing principals, senior staff and Clinton herself. This is a small (15?), very senior FBI group headed by Comey plus a similar group of Federsl prosecutors.

I don't know the actual numbers involved, but think there could have been some truth in various of the numbers given.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
12. If only one FBI agent is investigating her that is not a fucking win.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:11 PM
Apr 2016
The problem lies in the fact that she is being investigated, and the only one to blame for that is Hillary.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
14. #nothingtoseehere After all, its only 12 or so.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:13 PM
Apr 2016

12 is nothing - what's mishandling a couple thousand documents with classified material between friends?

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
17. Anything bad about Hillary and the Bernie people eat it up
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:16 PM
Apr 2016

with dozens of screeds posted here.

No one is ashamed of looking silly because they double down on it or find ridiculous excuses.

I have started wondering why I need comedy central when I have GD: P

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
26. lol, right?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:37 PM
Apr 2016

They need to put some wheels on this fucking goalpost.



I remember when they were still insisting there was absolutely nothing to the email situation. It was all just a GOP fantasy. Now, hey, there are only 12 FBI agents working on it *full time*, so yeah-- no big.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
23. The key words here are "full time"
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:33 PM
Apr 2016

There may have been 147 working part time on the case, but only 12 working full time. Having 12 working full time is an awful lot of agents.

The number are all in how you spin it. Many agents work on more than one case at a time. So it's entirely possible that there were still 147 agents involved -- just not full time.

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
24. You do know that the 147 was a bogus number
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:36 PM
Apr 2016

The Post already changed that number
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/28/there-are-147-fbi-agents-involved-in-the-hillary-clinton-email-investigation/
There are dozens of FBI agents involved in the Hillary Clinton email investigation


Which of course looks like a lie now, too

frylock

(34,825 posts)
37. currently
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:53 PM
Apr 2016

There are currently about 12 FBI agents working full-time on the case," says the source, who would only speak anonymously about an open investigation.

Progressive dog

(6,917 posts)
25. The RW will keep making stuff up
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:36 PM
Apr 2016

as long as they can get the media to print it. If the reporter who printed this crap actually had a source, he should make the source public. There should be consequences for leaking lies, and there should be consequences for printing them--a retraction is not enough.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
34. The person who made the OP is suggesting the whole FBI investigation story is bogus
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:06 PM
Apr 2016

That there really may not be an FBI investigation, despite the fact that Hillary and her campaign have acknowledged it.

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