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Ninga

(8,277 posts)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 08:22 AM Oct 2012

Romney's loss in Ohio can be laid at the feet of Gov. Kasich.

Gov. Lehman Bros. smarmy attack on public workers rights came back in 2011 and bit him in the ass.

The workers (voters) in this state overwhelmingly rejected the SB5 bill to eliminate collective bargaining for teachers, fire fighters and police.

I had a State Trooper tell me that no one in his entire family would EVER vote Republican again.

People fought so long and so hard against over confident Kasich, it went on for nearly two years.

They never forgot, and they will send a message on Nov 6 not to fuck with the union, at least not in Ohio.

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Romney's loss in Ohio can be laid at the feet of Gov. Kasich. (Original Post) Ninga Oct 2012 OP
Let us not forget FarPoint Oct 2012 #1
We haven't won Ohio yet... BlueDemKev Oct 2012 #2
"Flocking" You have to be kidding. Women are +15 for Obama in OH. It's not even close. bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #6
Women aren't flocking to Romney. LisaL Oct 2012 #12
Buying the bullshit hook line and sinker, eh? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #8
I love your optimism... BlueDemKev Oct 2012 #10
I thought you read Nate Silver? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #13
I've been following Silver very closely. BlueDemKev Oct 2012 #15
Define "flocking." Tree-Hugger Oct 2012 #19
To Ohioians: how can you have a party hack like Husted for Sec. of State? JackN415 Oct 2012 #3
I canvassed in 2010 ellie Oct 2012 #16
When Dems don't vote, they get the Husteds. Ninga Oct 2012 #20
According to a UCLA political scientist, Binders Keepers Oct 2012 #4
I asked a retired police officer Firebirds01 Oct 2012 #5
I sat between 2 State Troopers during an early anti SB5 rally who swore never Ninga Oct 2012 #18
A big Rec. on this post samplegirl Oct 2012 #7
I am keeping my nose to the grind stone, and will be canvassing up to election day. Ninga Oct 2012 #9
Good on ya. I know it will work. spooky3 Oct 2012 #22
We haven't won OH yet. LisaL Oct 2012 #11
While other states are changing ret. systems for new hires, Ohio slashed retirees, near retirees and spooky3 Oct 2012 #14
I believe that the changes in OPERS are just me more straw to break the GOP Ninga Oct 2012 #17
I'm in STRS but I think the effect's the same. spooky3 Oct 2012 #21

BlueDemKev

(3,003 posts)
2. We haven't won Ohio yet...
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 08:30 AM
Oct 2012

...and the way so many women voters are flocking to Romney I'm not the least bit confident we're going to pull thru there.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
12. Women aren't flocking to Romney.
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 09:22 AM
Oct 2012

In fact, if only women voted, Obama would be cruising for landslide re-election right now, probably even picking up "red" states along the way.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
8. Buying the bullshit hook line and sinker, eh?
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 09:05 AM
Oct 2012

Jesus, pay attention. Every other poll except one outlier shows Obama way ahead with women. Thanks for your concern, however.

BlueDemKev

(3,003 posts)
10. I love your optimism...
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 09:18 AM
Oct 2012

...I'm just sick that this election is even that close. If women were 100% behind Obama, we'd be comfortably ahead right now in Florida, Virginia, and New Hampshire. As it is, we're behind in FL and VA, with NH being a toss-up at best.

BlueDemKev

(3,003 posts)
15. I've been following Silver very closely.
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 09:43 AM
Oct 2012

I just wish that more pundits and pollsters were in agreement with him.

Tree-Hugger

(3,370 posts)
19. Define "flocking."
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 09:59 AM
Oct 2012

Women are NOT flocking to romney. Sure, some submissive women are being dragged by the hair by their overlord husbands, but the majority of women are on Obama's side.

 

Firebirds01

(576 posts)
5. I asked a retired police officer
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 08:54 AM
Oct 2012

In my town if there would be blowback for Kasich's attack on the unions. He said that he wouldnt be voting for the GOP and Kasich needs to go. He followed that by saying he was a life long republican and was disgusted by the right's attack on public workers. He went on for about 20 minutes about how public workers are people who make less than their private sector counterparts (he sid the guys at the factory made double what he did as a cop) and the Republican efforts to demonize union and government employees was stupid and without any merit.


This guy is done with the GOP and he is a life long Republican who quotes the Bible with regularity.


Hey GOP, you play with fire dont get pissed when you get burnt.


GOTV

Ninga

(8,277 posts)
18. I sat between 2 State Troopers during an early anti SB5 rally who swore never
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 09:51 AM
Oct 2012

again will ANYONE vote for an R.

Ohio teachers, firefighters, and police had to spend time away from their families at night on week-ends and driving to the State House to demonstrate....on and on...

samplegirl

(11,493 posts)
7. A big Rec. on this post
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 09:05 AM
Oct 2012

In my part of Ohio Kasich has done some big time damage. For God's sakes we don't even have trash cans in our state parks anymore.
He is still trying to sell the turnpike. The people in Ohio have regained some intelligence but for the most part it is still full of rightwing nut cases.

Ninga

(8,277 posts)
9. I am keeping my nose to the grind stone, and will be canvassing up to election day.
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 09:17 AM
Oct 2012

I want Ohio to speak loud and clear, be there NO DOUBT, a referendum on the war on women and the war on the working class.

Obama is gaining.in Ohio by leaps and bounds...

Dems stayed home in droves in 2010, Kasich won, and working folks woke up!

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
11. We haven't won OH yet.
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 09:21 AM
Oct 2012

Otherwise, I agree.
OH doesn't learn. It keeps electing republican governors and then pays the price.

spooky3

(34,469 posts)
14. While other states are changing ret. systems for new hires, Ohio slashed retirees, near retirees and
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 09:27 AM
Oct 2012

current employees, and required the latter to pay more into the system.

COLAs were cut several years ago and have been deferred and cut again.

I am a year away from eligibility and I calculate that my benefits have been cut over $100K over my expected life relative to a person with exactly the same work record but born *two* months earlier--and that worker also loses some benefits. I paid into the system for many years and was supposed to have been vested in it. If this were a private sector plan, what Ohio did would have been illegal under ERISA.

So Kasich still managed to "win" with the support of "employee groups" who didn't feel powerful enough in these turbulent times to demand that the state make good on the benefits we have earned.

Of course, the main reason for the problem was the disastrous roller coaster and then melt down on Wall Street since W took over. Pension systems, even reasonably well-managed ones like Ohio's couldn't make the returns that the actuaries expected when things are crashing all around, and volatile in the preceding years. But it makes me angry that we've been cheated out of what we contributed to and were promised (and took lower salaries and other work conditions in order to bargain for good pensions).

This is a story that is being lost in everything else this fall.

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