2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRomney's loss in Ohio can be laid at the feet of Gov. Kasich.
Gov. Lehman Bros. smarmy attack on public workers rights came back in 2011 and bit him in the ass.
The workers (voters) in this state overwhelmingly rejected the SB5 bill to eliminate collective bargaining for teachers, fire fighters and police.
I had a State Trooper tell me that no one in his entire family would EVER vote Republican again.
People fought so long and so hard against over confident Kasich, it went on for nearly two years.
They never forgot, and they will send a message on Nov 6 not to fuck with the union, at least not in Ohio.
FarPoint
(12,434 posts)Jon Husted and Mike deWine.......
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)...and the way so many women voters are flocking to Romney I'm not the least bit confident we're going to pull thru there.
bushisanidiot
(8,064 posts).
LisaL
(44,974 posts)In fact, if only women voted, Obama would be cruising for landslide re-election right now, probably even picking up "red" states along the way.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Jesus, pay attention. Every other poll except one outlier shows Obama way ahead with women. Thanks for your concern, however.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)...I'm just sick that this election is even that close. If women were 100% behind Obama, we'd be comfortably ahead right now in Florida, Virginia, and New Hampshire. As it is, we're behind in FL and VA, with NH being a toss-up at best.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Must have missed his post last night. Calm down.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)I just wish that more pundits and pollsters were in agreement with him.
Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)Women are NOT flocking to romney. Sure, some submissive women are being dragged by the hair by their overlord husbands, but the majority of women are on Obama's side.
JackN415
(924 posts)ellie
(6,929 posts)in Ohio and it was pretty depressing. People have short memories.
Ninga
(8,277 posts)Binders Keepers
(369 posts)women, who make up 60 percent of undecideds, are breaking for Obama 75 percent to 25.
http://www.npr.org/2012/10/20/163309696/the-undecided-voter-just-like-the-unicorn
Firebirds01
(576 posts)In my town if there would be blowback for Kasich's attack on the unions. He said that he wouldnt be voting for the GOP and Kasich needs to go. He followed that by saying he was a life long republican and was disgusted by the right's attack on public workers. He went on for about 20 minutes about how public workers are people who make less than their private sector counterparts (he sid the guys at the factory made double what he did as a cop) and the Republican efforts to demonize union and government employees was stupid and without any merit.
This guy is done with the GOP and he is a life long Republican who quotes the Bible with regularity.
Hey GOP, you play with fire dont get pissed when you get burnt.
GOTV
Ninga
(8,277 posts)again will ANYONE vote for an R.
Ohio teachers, firefighters, and police had to spend time away from their families at night on week-ends and driving to the State House to demonstrate....on and on...
samplegirl
(11,493 posts)In my part of Ohio Kasich has done some big time damage. For God's sakes we don't even have trash cans in our state parks anymore.
He is still trying to sell the turnpike. The people in Ohio have regained some intelligence but for the most part it is still full of rightwing nut cases.
Ninga
(8,277 posts)I want Ohio to speak loud and clear, be there NO DOUBT, a referendum on the war on women and the war on the working class.
Obama is gaining.in Ohio by leaps and bounds...
Dems stayed home in droves in 2010, Kasich won, and working folks woke up!
spooky3
(34,469 posts)LisaL
(44,974 posts)Otherwise, I agree.
OH doesn't learn. It keeps electing republican governors and then pays the price.
spooky3
(34,469 posts)current employees, and required the latter to pay more into the system.
COLAs were cut several years ago and have been deferred and cut again.
I am a year away from eligibility and I calculate that my benefits have been cut over $100K over my expected life relative to a person with exactly the same work record but born *two* months earlier--and that worker also loses some benefits. I paid into the system for many years and was supposed to have been vested in it. If this were a private sector plan, what Ohio did would have been illegal under ERISA.
So Kasich still managed to "win" with the support of "employee groups" who didn't feel powerful enough in these turbulent times to demand that the state make good on the benefits we have earned.
Of course, the main reason for the problem was the disastrous roller coaster and then melt down on Wall Street since W took over. Pension systems, even reasonably well-managed ones like Ohio's couldn't make the returns that the actuaries expected when things are crashing all around, and volatile in the preceding years. But it makes me angry that we've been cheated out of what we contributed to and were promised (and took lower salaries and other work conditions in order to bargain for good pensions).
This is a story that is being lost in everything else this fall.
Ninga
(8,277 posts)back....