Sanders Campaign Says Clinton Owes Apology For Calling Sanders a Liar

[NorthCarolina]

On Thursday afternoon when presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said that she was sick of the Sanders campaign lying about her, the response from Senator Sanders was swift: We aren’t lying, Clinton has taken money from oil and gas, and we can all talk about it during a New York debate that Clinton refuses to have.

More at link: http://trofire.com/2016/04/01/sanders-campaign-says-clinton-owes-apology-saying-lied-fossil-fuel-money/

Gotta admit, she stepped in that dog poo of her own accord.

[onehandle]

1. Nope. nt

[astrophuss42]

2. Yaasss....

She should apologize, moreover, to the activist.

[HumanityExperiment]

3. Fracking...

If Bernie hits her in NY about fracking and her documented history of supporting and encouraging that industry along with re-running that video she'll tank in NY

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2015/06/new_york_officially_bans_hydrofracking.html

She's toast...

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

[rock]

11. "Nope" appears to be the correct answer

http://bluenationreview.com/hillary-did-not-get-money-from-the-fossil-fuel-industry/

[Segami]

16. BLUENATIONREVIEW - DAVID ' SMEAR-RODENT' BROCK

[rock]

20. I take it you don't think Sanders lied

[revbones]

22. Sure it was Greenpeace that lied right?

Also Blue Nation Review is just a Pravda-style propaganda site owned and operated by Correct the Record, a Hilly super-PAC ran by smear merchant and admitted liar David Brock who previously lied about the Clintons until they started paying him..

Also she takes money from fossil fuel industry lobbists - that's proven already.

[CoffeeCat]

28. Yes, we're all very impressed that David Brock has his own online newspaper

Why do you even post that drivel here? No one clicks on it.

It would be equivalent to Sanders hiring Karl Rove; then Karl Rove starting his own online "news service" that disseminates "news" about the campaigns.

This is so foolish.

It's obvious propaganda. And Brock is a pig.

[NorthCarolina]

39. Blue Nation Review??? So now it's acceptable to quote articles from right-wing rags

here on DU?

[Loudestlib]

43. Yep, she did, she owns it.

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaign-updates/hillary-clintons-connection-oil-gas-industry/

[PonyUp]

4. Good luck with that. We will see the transcripts before that happens. n/t

[KitSileya]

5. They say she takes money from fossil fuel companies - that is a lie.

It is illegal to receive money from companies.

By the metric they use, Bernie received $200,000 from fossil fuel companies - why aren't his supporters calling him bought off? Of course, it's because the money comes from people working for fossil fuel companies, who are excercising their democratic right to donate to the candidates of their choice.

They are so hypocritical - and they most certainly are liars.

[jillan]

9. Do you live in a bubble? Have you not heard of Citizen's United?

[KitSileya]

13. Factcheck.org says it's a lie.

Apparently you are the one living in a bubble. Don't you know the laws? Corporations themselves can't donate directly to candidates, it's against campaign law.

Bernie's hypocrisy and arrogance in demanding an apology is yet another reason to be glad he is losing.

[jillan]

21. No they cannot. But they can donate unlimited $$$$, in this case 4MILLION to superpacs.

Glad to see you support Citizen's United.

[KitSileya]

24. I don't support CU, and nothing I said could lead you to that conclusion.

Is it a pre-requisite of being a BS supporter to smear your opponents, or are you just emulating your candidate?

[Armstead]

29. Pacs, Superpacs, bundlers...."individuals who happen to be lobbyists" etc

If you don';t think there are many workarounds to that specific campaign law, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Corporate influence in politics is a major problem -- as many people of alol political stripes, including Clinton, acknowledge

[Loudestlib]

47. Who's lying? Factcheck didn't rate it.

Meme says Hillary Clinton's top donors are banks and corporations, Bernie Sanders' are labor unions: Mostly True


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/07/facebook-posts/meme-says-hillary-clintons-top-donors-are-banks-an/

[Pacifist Patriot]

58. I went to Factcheck.org and that's not quite the case is it?

For one thing, the people making the accusations are not saying that corporations donated directly to her campaign. So everyone's in agreement there.

They are talking about the lobbyists for the fossil fuel industries who have, in fact, donated to her campaign. And that is acknowledged on Factcheck.org.

[Fairgo]

61. Careful throwing the 'L' word around

They collect around your feet, and soon you are trapped in your own artifice.

[Marr]

45. You're saying there is zero corporate money in politics.

That's asinine.

[DanTex]

6. Bernie doubles down on his lie? Does he not understand that corporations can't donate to campaigns?

I keep being told that Bernie is different from his online supporters. Maybe not so different after all...

[Pacifist Patriot]

10. I don't believe they said corporations...

They said "from oil and gas" referring to the money she has received from the lobbyists working for the fossil fuel industries. That's not a lie. She has.

[DanTex]

15. It's is ludicrously misleading to say "from oil and gas" when referring to individuals who are

employed by those industries, either directly or indirectly.

[Pacifist Patriot]

19. Ok. If you say so.

[Armstead]

31. That bridge in Brooklyn is still for sale

From Hillary's own words:
“We have to end the flood of secret, unaccountable money that is distorting our elections, corrupting our political system, and drowning out the voices of too many everyday Americans. Our democracy should be about expanding the franchise, not charging an entrance fee.”
HILLARY, SEPTEMBER 8, 2015

[DanTex]

32. And I agree with her completely that we need to overturn citizens united.

But that has nothing to do with individual non-corporate donations to her campaign.

[NorthCarolina]

40. It doesn't bother you that she campaigns against CU yet benefit$ greatly from it?

That doesn't seem a tad bit hypocritical to you?

[DanTex]

41. She does not benefit from it. CU benefits the Republicans, who raise more SuperPAC money

than Dems.

[NorthCarolina]

42. So, are you claiming that Hillary has no SuperPacs? Really?

Sorry, but I think you are only fooling yourself.

[DanTex]

44. There are SuperPACs supporting both her and Bernie. But the party that benefits is the GOP.

[daleanime]

33. Don't worry....

she's evolved from that.

[JudyM]

17. +1 nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

26. He's a demagogue surrounded by fanatics

[NorthCarolina]

48. She's a high-society debutante (thanks to lucrative "public service") surrounded by

[senz]

50. Democracy is not a fanatical concept.

[Pacifist Patriot]

59. It's fanatical to want to have a voice in a representative democracy?

Wow, I did not know that. Thanks!

[senz]

7. Holding her accountable.

It's about time.

Thank you, Team Bernie!

[Punkingal]

8. I suspect there will be no debate, after that massive meltdown yesterday.

[BernieforPres2016]

12. I hope there isn't a New York debate

Refusing to honor her commitment to a debate that was previously negotiated just makes Hillary look bad. Unless Bernie is willing to go after her harder in a debate, I don't think it will amount to much anyway.

[JudyM]

18. Agree about the optics, but she never agreed to NY, just to a time/number schedule.

[BernieforPres2016]

38. Thanks for the correction

They agreed to a debate in April and one in May. It was assumed the April debate would be in New York before the April 19 primary there and the ones in PA, MD, CT, DE and RI on April 26.

I'd rather see Hillary continue to melt down on her own and to have her ducking a debate as an issue than to give the DNC and debate moderators a chance to try to shore her up and take down Bernie in a New York debate. Hopefully Bernie can do one or more televised town halls that are mostly comprised of taking audience questions. Enough of the MSM and the horse race questions. I'd love for Bernie to say I'm not going to keep responding to questions on the horse race or on Donald Trump's latest stupid comment. I will answer questions about the issues that the American people care about.

[Marr]

46. I actually almost think it's better for Sanders at this point if she continues to refuse.

As you said, he isn't exactly an attack dog in debates. She has little to run from, but she seems determined to let everyone see her do it anyway.

[EdwardBernays]

14. Meet the Fossil Fuel Lobbyists Raising Money for Hillary Clinton

A list of 40 registered lobbyists that the Clinton camp disclosed to the Federal Election Commission on Wednesday revealed a number of Democratic Party lobbyists who have worked against regulations to curb climate change, advocated for offshore drilling, or sought government approval for natural gas exports.

Clinton, the former secretary of state, has called climate change the most "consequential, urgent, sweeping collection of challenges we face as a nation and a world" and says it would be a major focus of her administration if she wins the White House. But having so many supporters who have sold their services to fossil fuel companies may complicate her emphasis on pro-environment policies.

Scott Parven and Brian Pomper, lobbyists at Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld, have been registered to lobby for the Southern California-based oil giant Chevron since 2006, with contracts totaling more than $3 million. The two bundled Clinton contributions of $24,700 and $29,700, respectively. They have helped Chevron over the years resist efforts to eliminate oil and gas tax breaks and to impose regulations to reduce carbon emissions.

The two Clinton bundlers also were part of a much-criticized campaign by Chevron to manipulate Congress into inserting language into the Andean Trade Preferences Act that would require Ecuador to dismiss a longstanding lawsuit against the company for polluting the Amazon jungle. Democratic lawmakers pushed back against the campaign and the lawsuit is continuing.

One prominent lobbying topic embraced by Clinton bundlers is the expansion of liquefied natural gas exports and federal approval of new LNG terminals.

Ankit Desai, vice president for government relations at top LNG exporter Cheniere Energy, bundled $82,000 to the Clinton camp, with much of it coming from Cheniere Energy executives. Cheniere executives, including Desai, have donated $38,800 to Clinton's campaign.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/07/hillary-clinton-bundlers-fossil-fuel-lobbyists

[99Forever]

23. An apology is what a person with honot and integrity would do.

Since its Hillary, that won't be happening.

[alcibiades_mystery]

25. Sanders and his people can pound fucking sand

I really can't see myself voting for this guy in the general now, if he does manage to win. It's going to be tough, in any case. What a dishonest and demagogic campaign.

[morningfog]

27. What was his lie?

She called him a liar. She should apologize.

[senz]

55. Much anger there, alcibiades_mystery

Your candidate goes dirty (as she did in 2008), our candidate requests an apology -- and you go ballistic.

[redstateblues]

30. Ol Lyin' Bernie wants an apology!

Senator "I won't go negative" doubles down on his campaign of insinuation and innuendo. Bernie has taken money from Gas and Oil people- what a hypocrite!

[riversedge]

35. Sanders camp is very negitive and slimy in their talk.

[workinclasszero]

49. No kidding, what a joke!

Apologize for your own LIES Bernie!

[riversedge]

34. "Calling Sanders a Liar" the title is a LIE. She said 'Sander's camp"--

[GreatGazoo]

54. The "Sanders Campaign" includes and is headed by Bernie Sanders

She has had similar reactions during debates when Sanders himself voices these concerns as when she interrupted him to say nothing more than "You know....". This is her button and it got pressed yesterday.

[riversedge]

57. Hillary was and will strongly defend herself agains Sander camp smears.. Get used to it.

[GreatGazoo]

60. Calling truth a "lie" isn't defending yourself -- it is a smear on whoever presented some truth

in this case Greenpeace.

I’m the Greenpeace Activist Who Asked Hillary Clinton...I care deeply about tackling climate change and I’m deeply concerned about the state of our democracy. I work for Greenpeace USA as a democracy organizer. I do not work for and am in no way affiliated with the Sanders campaign, as Clinton seemed to suggest in her response.

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/im-the-greenpeace-activist-who-asked-hillary-clinton-to-pledge-to-reject-fossil-fuel-contributions-at-the-purchase-ny-campaign-rally/

As you may recognize I am a Sanders supporters but I would like to see us go forward with the strongest candidates we have. Hillary has a duty to get her message and her positions out but as objectively as I can say this, the yelling and finger poking was a mistake. She created this mini tempest when if she would have ignored the question there would be no viral video right now. This is not the way to win people over.

If anyone should be "used to it", it is Hillary.

[Amaril]

36. And per the responses.......

Today's meme -- Bernie is the liar! He's a lying liar! Somebody call Al Franken!

[amborin]

37. she owes Bernie an apology; Will it be like the transcripts?

[salinsky]

51. Why on Earth would she apologize ...

What Sanders has knowingly said and continues to say is factually and demonstrably false.

[MisterP]

52. "unforced errors" is the poli sci phrase--remember "English only"?

[KPN]

53. From the comments on this thread, it appears

that not only Hillary, but the entire Hillary camp is in meltdown mode. She got caught over-reacting to getting caught with her hand in the jar, and now the whole camp is reacting with nonsense arguments.

The fact is, she declined to sign Greenpeace's pledge, she has accepted significant campaign contributions from oil interests at the same time that she campaign's on being progressive and tough on climate change. It all just seems so disingenuous.

[LexVegas]

56. He is truth-challenged. There, better? nt

[Jitter65]

62. Except she said the campaign. She didn't accuse Sanders of lying...yet. But he has.

She owes no apology and she should quickly say so. We all know what the lie was. Now by connecting Hillary's name to the front of their sentence and including "and her PAC" they are trying to clean up their statements about her.