2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy does Hillary's hypocrisy on gun control get ignored?
Hillary criticizes Bernie for his having taken the position in the past, as a senator representing a rural state, that federal gun control laws need to accommodate the rights of rural citizens. That is exactly the same position Hillary herself has taken in the past!
Philadephia 2008
So for the federal government to be having any kind of, you know, blanket rules that they're going to try to impose I think doesn't make sense.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But, Senator, you were for that when you ran for Senate in New York.
CLINTON: I was for the New York rules; that's right. I was for the New York rules, because they have worked over time. And there isn't a lot uproar in New York about changing them, because I go to upstate New York, where we have a lot of hunters and people who are collectors and people who are sport shooters. They have every reason to believe that their rights are being respected.
You walk down the street with a police officer in Manhattan, he wants to be sure that there is some way of protecting him and protecting the people that are in his charge.
Valparaiso, Indiana 2008
She then introduced a fond memory from her youth.
You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl, she said.
You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. Its part of culture. Its part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because its an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter.
Minutes later, in a slightly awkward moment, Clinton faced a question from a woman in the audience whose son had been paralyzed by a gunshot. The woman asked Clinton what she would do about gun control as president.
Clinton touted her husband's record on gun control during his administration, and said "there is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights" and the effort to reduce crime.
Noting that many hunters and gun collectors want to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, Clinton referred to her positive childhood experiences with firearms.
"As I told you, my dad taught me how to shoot behind our cottage, she said. I have gone hunting. I am not a hunter. But I have gone hunting."
Clinton said she has hunted ducks.
And she was more than willing to accept Senator Harry Reid's endorsement in the Nevada caucuses last month despite the fact that Harry Reid has been one of the NRA's best Democratic friends in Congress for most of his career.
December 2012
Guns, their role in everyday life and the extent to which that right is protected by the Second Amendment were matters Reid simply didnt question, according to those who worked with him not after Columbine; not when the assault weapons ban expired (hed voted against it); and not after Virginia Tech, the countrys deadliest single-shooter assault, happened in the first year of his majority leadership in the Senate.
I havent seen him spend a lot of time wrestling with this issue over the years, said a former aide who was close with Reid. In years past hes largely ended up toeing the NRA line. But Im not convinced thats going to happen this time. ...
Reid has maintained a B average NRA rating, pretty high for a Democrat, and although he has never received the NRAs endorsement in a Senate race, he usually receives its money even rarer for a Democrat.
Reid voted against the assault weapons ban; applauded the Supreme Courts recent pro-gun decisions in District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago; and worked closely with the NRA to promote gun sports, such as securing federal funding for the Clark County Shooting Range.
Just a reminder: Harry Reid has had a B rating from the NRA; Bernie's had a D rating.
Hillary also doesn't seem to have any problem taking money from people who have made their money lobbying against gun control measures.
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/01/nra-lobbyist-will-co-host-clinton-fundraiser/
jeff47
(26,549 posts)those who do not support her are well aware of her hypocrisy.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)I don't know if she has a single shred of integrity in her. Her campaign sure doesn't have much.
She's the ultimate opportunist in my eyes.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Zira
(1,054 posts)the bad stuff, even when it's what they've been against all the time before that candidate ran.
Either that or there are a whole lot of Neo Cons in America.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)but also voted for the horrific gun industry immunity bill.
Pick your battles more wisely.
amborin
(16,631 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)But Bernie's record of pro-NRA votes is very clear.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Unless you don't know how the grading system works it's clear as a bell he's always been firmly pro-gun control.
Stop being deliberately obtuse.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Sounds like something a kid would say, just because you don't like your school doesn't mean that D minus is irrelevant.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Or both.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Her positions aren't much different than Bernie's and she's already toned down the rhetoric because she knows she'll need to pander to gun owners again like she did in 2008.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Watching you flail around when you get caught is hilarious.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Nothing personal, I just enjoy bringing facts to the table.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And then let you accuse me of personally attacking you with absolutely no sense of irony or self awareness.
So that "feeling" of yours?
It's called projection.
mwah!
DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)(among other things) that would be a description too.
But I'm not the one "describing" others here. That would be wrong.
You have a nice say, now, Dan!
DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Your posting history and attacks on other liberals could certainly give people pause.
But if you say you're not a Trump humper Dan I'll believe you.
Really.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)and I will edit it.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)i want to compare it to what she will say when
she campaigns in Montana, for instance, should
she become the nominee.
Zira
(1,054 posts)I couldn't do that when I was a child. I would have had nightmares and guilt for the rest of my life.
My dad also couldn't have done that. Thank goodness he had kids who couldn't.
I don't think father and daughter sharing killing moments is a good idea. And, I look forward to that man who grew meat in a petri dish to ending the whole kill animals for food industry, hopefully sooner in our future than later. That is his intent and he found over a million in backing. I'm glad they are working on it. I've been a vegetarian since my early 20's.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Her only policy consistency is her support for anything that her big donors want.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)probably run back to the right as soon as the primary is over. It keeps them from having to talk about this
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)and not be able to decide who to support?
(And btw she is already running back to the right, now that she thinks she has the party nomination locked up.)
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Hillary devolve revolve evolve in peace whenever she determines evolving to be necessary and appropriate to becoming the first woman President?
That is the kind of deference and authority she granted Dummya to invade freakin' Iraq, but you supporters of Sanders can't grant it to a member of your own Party so she can become the first woman President? Shame!
SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.
(b) Presidential Determination.--In connection with the exercise of
the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President
shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible,
but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make
available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the
President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or
other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately
protect the national security of the United States against the
continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to
enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent
with the United States and other countries continuing to take
the necessary actions against international terrorist and
terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations,
or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the
terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
(c) War Powers Resolution Requirements.--
(1) Specific statutory authorization.--Consistent with
section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress
declares that this section is intended to constitute specific
statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of
the War Powers Resolution.
(2) Applicability of other requirements.--Nothing in this
joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers
Resolution.
SEC. 4. REPORTS TO CONGRESS.
(a) <<NOTE: President.>> Reports.--The President shall, at least
once every 60 days, submit to the Congress a report on matters relevant
to this joint resolution, including actions taken pursuant to the
exercise of authority granted in section 3 and the status of planning
for efforts that are expected to be required after such actions are
completed, including those actions described in section 7 of the Iraq
Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338).
I'm sure someone will explain to me, when he or she has time, which part of the above authorization Bush violated. Meanwhile, I have trouble voting for moving goal posts. Hell, I even have issues when DUers move them, let alone someone running for POTUS.