Bernie Sanders Just Trounced Hillary Clinton in Three of the Ten Most Diverse States in America

[Goblinmonger]

The overwhelming majority of the voting data accumulated thus far in the Democratic primaries contradicts the media narrative suggesting Bernie Sanders doesn’t perform well in states with diverse populations.

Still, far more important to undercutting the specious media narrative about Bernie Sanders and diverse electorates is a somewhat broader observation: that thus far, six of the ten most diverse states in America have held Democratic nominating contests, and both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have won three of these contests.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders won his three contests in ultra-diverse states — Alaska, Hawaii, and Washington — with 81.6%, 69.8%, and 72.7% shares of the vote, respectively.

If you thought these four decisive Sanders wins offered the national media a pretty good opportunity to drop its ridiculous narrative about Bernie Sanders supporters — namely, that nearly all of them are white — you either don’t understand how firmly in the Clinton camp even mainstream media organizations are, or you don’t pay any attention to domestic politics at all. Most of us knew what to expect from the media after seeing months of purportedly objective “panels” on CNN and MSNBC comprised entirely of Clinton surrogates or neutral reporters; watching media outlets fail to cover even a single second of election-night speeches by Sanders; and cringing as every major media organization continued counting “super-delegates” as though these were earned and confirmed “votes,” despite a DNC directive to not tally them until the summertime.

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It would be nice if the narrative that Sanders supporters are just white would stop, but I'm sure that won't be the case. I'm also sure when I go turn on CNN and MSNBC tonight that this analysis will be there as to his campaign. Well, I can hope.

[JaneyVee]

1. I think when people say "diversity" they mean...

They are referring to voting bloc's, not state diversity percentages.

[Goblinmonger]

3. So the states he won weren't not white enough?

Contain the wrong minorities? First People don't matter?

I'm confused. Either the states he won by A LOT are diverse or they aren't. The narrative has been that only white people vote for him. The numbers in Alaska, Hawaii, and Washington show otherwise.

[JaneyVee]

7. Depends on which voting bloc shows up.

Does it matter how diverse a state is if they arent showing up to vote?

[Goblinmonger]

10. So when Clinton wins South Carolina, we can count on SC in the GE?

The article is about whether Sanders supporters are just white and whether that is a bullshit argument to make (hint: it is).

[shadowandblossom]

58. No. But, here's what I've learned this election...

From what I can tell and am hearing a lot of black people basically vote religiously and have huge, reliable turnout. I think it's related to severe voter suppression before 1965, and since they were denied it so long a lot of them exersize that right like they really get its value. Other groups, not so much I guess? I think another factor is most of them vote together (as Democrats).

These two factors, that they're united and that they actually get out and vote gives them political influence. That's how I understand it anyway. But South Carolina, no, red state all the way. But they both have a lot of red states.

[shadowandblossom]

59. I didn't read the article...

I don't think anybody thinks that's all he's getting, just he hasn't had as much of a punch in diverse groups and that he has done better with white people. We're voters too. Also, congrats on his wins in diverse states. (no sarcasm)

[Gwhittey]

14. Watch it you might get a bad back

[Attorney in Texas]

2. It would be nice to see the Hillary supporters recognize that ideology, and not race, is what

separates Sanders supporters from Hillary supporters (I guess we should just be glad that some of Hillary's supporter stopped calling Sanders out as a Jew - baby steps).

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. THIS

and to a point age from what I have observed in the field

[GummyBearz]

71. +1 again

I might as well just stalk your posts to add a +1 to them all

[nadinbrzezinski]

72. Lmao

[Goblinmonger]

5. Sad when one needs to count that as a win

but it's a win.

Almost seems like they liked playing the race card even though it isn't necessarily true.

[redstateblues]

15. No-Their ideologies are very similar. Hillary was a very liberal Senator

The difference is that more Americans think Hillary would be a better President

[Attorney in Texas]

22. No. They differ on war vs peace, universal health care, fracking, marijuana, tax policy, Wall Street

and banking regulation, the Patriot Act, the death penalty, for-profit prison reform, trade agreements, off shore drilling, immigration, campaign finance, etc.

Really, those are similarities?

You say "more Americans think Hillary would be a better President" but how 'bout we hear from those Americans before you call the election for us before half of them had had the chance to vote, OK?

Also, Hillary has won the Bible Belt, but Sanders is winning outside of the Bible Belt, but -- more to the point -- when the contests are more open (i.e., more like what "Americans think&quot , Sanders does better and when the contests are closed (more what "Democrats think&quot Hillary does better. This works to Hillary's advantage in the primary but dooms her in a general election (if we err by nominating her) PRECISELY because "more Americans" DO NOT "think Hillary would be a better President."

[pdsimdars]

34. Funny

If you list the issues and where each candidate stands on them, Hillary is clearly a solid neocon.

[Attorney in Texas]

40. It is hard to make an argument that Hillary is not to the right of Nixon.

[shadowandblossom]

60. backpeddle.

For a lot of Americans I think that would be an issue for them. I'd like to be wrong about that, and maybe I am. But there really are people who won't vote for someone who is not a Christian, so religion is relevant as an electability issue and that should be out there now during primaries. Maybe it's not an issue for enough voters anymore, but I'd have to see some hard data to believe it.

[Attorney in Texas]

63. The states where "people who won't vote for someone who is not a Christian" have already voted and

Hillary has taken those delegates, but she's not winning outside of the Bible Belt, and her supply of states where she holds a Christian advantage is exhausted.

[shadowandblossom]

64. Swing states matter in the general election. Give statistical proof that something that has Always

been important to voters has suddenly stopped being important this year.


No need to change the subject, and flounder to avoid it, again when you can put out real information if you're in the right. If it has stopped mattering, put out a source that proves that.

[Attorney in Texas]

65. I'm unclear what you are asking me to prove - are you asking for polling that a Jew can win a

national electoral office (because I can show you that polling if that is the jist of what you are asking for)?

If that is not what you are asking for, what do you mean by "it" in your phrase "If it has stopped mattering."

Likewise, what is the "it" in your phrase "flounder to avoid it."

Is "it" the same thing as "something" in your phrase calling for "statistical proof that something that has Always been important to voters has suddenly stopped being important this year"?

If you tell me what "it" and "something" refer to, I will try to get you statistical proof.

[shadowandblossom]

66. yes polling data :), etc, some proof that being Jewish, or a Jewish agnostic (which probably means

atheist to a lot of people.) doesn't matter to voters anymore. It may not. To be clear, I don't personally care about that.

I was originally responding to when you said "I guess we should just be glad that some of Hillary's supporter stopped calling Sanders out as a Jew - baby steps."

I more or less said that it is relevant to talk about his religion if it is still an issue for voters that will impact their willingness to vote for him. (I'm talking about the general election.)

I said that you floundered, rather than address the issue I put out, because, you started talking about how Clinton was out of religious states.

If it, it being Sander's religion, doesn't matter to voters anymore, great. Otherwise their religions are on the table for discussion. Since I think a candidate's religion is an issue for a lot of voters, I see it as a relevant topic to the election. At the same time, this isn't something I'm passionate about or interested in so I'm off to another thread.

[Attorney in Texas]

67. Only 6% of Americans wouldn't vote for a Jewish candidate (5% wouldn't vote for a woman; 7% wouldn't

vote for a Hispanic candidate to provide you some context).

As a threshold, recall that the Republicans nominated Mitt Romney last cycle, and 18% wouldn't vote for a Mormon).

Morally, if we discriminate against our potential nominees on religious, ethnic, or racial grounds for fear that it would impact their electability, are we no worse than the bigoted voters who would use those filters to discriminate against the candidate?

[shadowandblossom]

70. That settles it

as a non-issue for me.

Again, this is really not a subject of passion for me...


On the Moral aspect... Mmmmmm. I would have a lot of trouble voting for a Scientologist, I wouldn't vote for someone who believed in Sharia law, I wouldn't vote for a Christian fundamentalist. I would only make votes like that in a lesser of two evils situation. Religion is tied to beliefs and ideas. I do discriminate between people based on their fundamental beliefs, actions, and ideas.

I view that as distinct from discriminating in terms of denying housing, police targeting, or harassment, and think people should have legal protections for things like that.

But in terms of leading the country, or even welcoming them into my life I absolutely discriminate about people based on their most deeply held personal beliefs.

[beam me up scottie]

6. Nooooooo!!! Doesn't. Fit. Narrative. Must. Create. New. Meme...

I know! Those are the wrong kind of minorities, they don't count!

And let's start a rumour about Bernie abusing his wife, yeah that'll work! Get Brock on the phone!

[Goblinmonger]

8. Maybe Brock will say that Jane is a bit nutty and a bit slutty?

For the inevitable jury: that's what Brock said about Anita Hill. Context matters.

[redstateblues]

17. get the straw men out of the closet

[beam me up scottie]

43. Straw men?

[Maedhros]

28. Wait...what? Brock said that about Anita Hill?

Is there a link?

That's so very, very, very far beyond the pale. If true, how can Hillary justify even speaking to such an asshole?

[Goblinmonger]

35. Yup. Funny so many Clinton supporters are going with him on things now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock#The_Real_Anita_Hill

[Maedhros]

44. And they lecture others on supposed MISOGYNY, while accepting this?

Wonders never cease.

[TDale313]

52. He is truly disgusting. He's on Rove's level.

Except now apparently the Clinton supporters like him cause he's their Rove. Was a right wing media "hit man" before he saw the light. Now he's a conservadem media hit man.

[Kalidurga]

78. She has plenty of practice, she is married to Bill.

[ucrdem]

9. ... in caucuses. The GE is not a caucus.

[Goblinmonger]

11. So minorities that caucus don't matter?

[ucrdem]

12. Show me the numbers.

[Goblinmonger]

13. That article's pretty long. Did you read it?

And Sanders DESTROYED Clinton in those three states. In case you don't remember.

[ucrdem]

16. Skimmed it. Lots of numbers but none supporting your premise, sorry. nt

[Blue_In_AK]

19. And Hillary Clinton will NEVER win a general election in Alaska,

no matter who the R nominee is. In 2008, Barack Obama won 75-25 in our caucus, Bernie won by even more, 82-18, with a 110% larger turnout than 2008. Bernie could conceivably win here, but never Hillary. Whether that's fair or not is debatable, but it is what it is.

But we're only three electoral votes, so I'm sure somebody will be along shortly to tell me that what Alaskans think doesn't matter.

[DJ13]

46. What Alaskans think doesn't matter.

I'm kidding!

(Except for Palin....... her thinking(?) really doesnt matter.)

[Blue_In_AK]

48. Ha, I KNEW it.

LOL. And you're right about Sarah. You can't really call what she does "thinking."

[bettyellen]

47. Well AK is three votes that have gone to the GOP since 1968, right? Isn't likely to help in Nov.

My state rarely matters either.

[strategery blunder]

55. TBF to Alaska they also elected Senator Begich, a Dem, in 2008 if I recall

I don't remember what became of him, but that vote did help us attain a 60-seat supermajority in the Senate for a short time, during which the country was able to make some progress on reversing the disastrous Bush years.

So yes, Alaskan votes did help, and Alaskan votes did matter.

[bettyellen]

57. Good information! We should never forget the down ticket races!! My state gets taken for granted

while surrounding states get all the attention. We pay a ton of taxes and have the worst of both parties here, everyone is on the take! We vote blue for the general, but no one gives a shit. LOL. Oh well.

[pdsimdars]

36. And in Every single poll taken about the GE, Bernie does MUCH MUCH better than Hill

[cosmicone]

18. Seth Abramson LMAO

[Goblinmonger]

20. That's all you have? Nothing about the analysis.

And I'm sure I'll see an even more harsh response by you to the claims by Brock that Sanders is horrible to his wife given that that asshat is the one that gave us Anita Hill being nutty and slutty.

[cosmicone]

25. Seth Abramson and HA Goodman

have less credibility than Bernie (Madoff's) 18% returns.

[Goblinmonger]

27. So it's ad homs all the way down, then?

OK. If that makes you sleep better at night, have at it.

[Garrett78]

21. Overall, it's quite evident that Clinton is doing much better among POC.

Exceptions prove the rule, and it took until a single weekend in late March for anyone to be able to point to exceptions.

[Goblinmonger]

23. Exceptions?

Of the 10 most diverse states, Sanders has won 3 and Clinton has won 3.

Do you not like the diversity of Hawaii, Alaska, and Washington? Not POC enough for you? Not he right POC? I'm confused.

[Garrett78]

24. What are you confused about? The word "overall?"

Overall (i.e., among the entire population of primary/caucus voters), Clinton is doing much better than Sanders among POC. What confuses you about that statement?

[Goblinmonger]

26. Except in Alaska, Hawaii, and Washington

where she got steamrolled.

That's the problem I have with "overall." Somehow you are drawing lines that make no sense other than to try and continue the myth that Sanders supports are white.

[Garrett78]

41. I'm not drawing lines. On the contrary, I'm eliminating them.

You're focused on 3 states. I'm looking at the nation as a whole, or at least that portion that has voted thus far. And, overall, Clinton is doing much better among POC.

[pdsimdars]

38. Did Hillary go from pants suits to overalls now? I am the one who is confused.

I thought she looked good enough in pant suits.

[man of few w]

29. Alaska is Diverse?

[Goblinmonger]

32. Native peoples.

[Blue_In_AK]

49. Yes, Alaska is diverse,

more diverse than the average for the US. Non-Hispanic whites here are only 61.9 percent.

Some interesting links for you, especially the second which shows that Anchorage's School district is considered the most diverse in the country. Only 44% of the students in Anchorage are white. While English is spoken in 80% of the students' homes, in the other 20%, 99 different languages are represented.

http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/02

http://www.adn.com/article/20150523/anchorage-public-schools-lead-nation-diversity

http://asdk12.org/aboutasd/

[Blue_In_AK]

73. Put it on your bucket list.

There's no place like it. Now that the oil industry has collapsed, we're going to need all the tourists we can get. LOL.

[uponit7771]

53. +1, these ops's are so so sad... jus... sigh... jus

[beam me up scottie]

68. You're saying Alaska isn't diverse? It has a smaller percentage of whites than SC.

68.3% for SC vs 66.9% for AK

Do you think South Carolina isn't diverse?

[jillan]

61. There are other ethnicities besides black and white.

[Kalidurga]

80. And there are a lot of ethnic and cultural groups within those umbrella terms...

and there are white people who live among like they are related to by marriage and blood to people within many ethnic and culturally diverse groups. So talking about identity politics to me is a rather strange thing. Everyone is an individual and not every individual is always going to fit a narrative just based on what group someone might think they belong in.

[amborin]

30. K&R

[CalvinballPro]

31. Important Fact: There are no caucuses in the general election.

Get back to me when Bernie wins a diverse primary election.

[Goblinmonger]

33. Important Fact: Dems won't win the Bible Belt in the GE.

Plus, good to see that goal posts keep changing all the time. Can't beat the racism drum anymore? Move on to caucus vs primary.

[CalvinballPro]

37. Tu quoque? That's all you got? nt

[Goblinmonger]

39. How is that possibly an appeal to hypocrisy?

Saying you are moving the goalposts is not saying you are hypocritical.

[Garrett78]

42. The Democratic nominee is more likely to win in the Deep South...

...than in the likes of WY, MT, UT, ID, AK, etc.

[Goblinmonger]

45. Not than Washington and Hawaii.

[Garrett78]

50. Regardless of who the nominee is, the Dem will win WA and HI.

Along with the New England states.

[blueintelligentsia]

51. Stop spreading facts!!! It's not good for....ya know. n/t

[MFM008]

54. California's Pretty diverse

lets see what happens in the other states first.

[snowy owl]

56. good article - I hope people read it - esp. Clintonites

[ContinentalOp]

62. Not quite

Here are the top half of the states with the smallest non-hispanic white populations.

Hawaii - Sanders
D.C. - TBD
California - TBD
New Mexico - TBD
Texas - Clinton
Nevada - Clinton
Maryland - TBD
Georgia - Clinton
Florida - Clinton
Arizona - Clinton
New York - TBD
Mississippi - Clinton
New Jersey - TBD
Louisiana - Clinton
Alaska - Sanders
Illinois - Clinton
Virginia - Clinton
South Carolina - Clinton
Delaware - TBD
North Carolina - Clinton
Alabama - Clinton
Oklahoma - Sanders
Colorado - Sanders
Conneticut - TBD
Washington - Sanders
Arkansas - Clinton

* http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/all-states/white-not-hispanic-population-percentage#chart

[BainsBane]

74. Just saying states are diverse doesn't make it so

Both Idaho and Washington have 90 percent or more of their population as white.




Description
English (en): Map of USA showing percentage of population self-reported as White American by state in 2010.
less than 50 % light pink
50 - 60 %
60 - 70 %
70 - 80 %
80 - 90 %
more than 90 % dark red
Date 11 November 2012, 02:01:29
Source U.S. Bureau Census

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Americans

Ultimately, what matters is who gets more votes and more delegates overall. There aren't first-class and second-class votes, just votes.

[Goblinmonger]

76. Not according to your link

Wikipedia has Washington's % of whites at 77.3% for the 2010 census. Which puts it 4.3% of Puerto Rico, California, and Arizona.

Of course what matters is votes. But it seems very disingenuous that people are saying that only white people support Sanders.

[BainsBane]

81. Not only white people

but it is clear from exit and entrance polling data that Clinton's strongest support is among people of color and Bernie's among whites. That doesn't mean only white people support Bernie or only African Americans or Latinos support Clinton. Rather, they are electoral trends.

Also keep this in mind. Caucuses have very low participation rates. The racial composition of a state doesn't say who actually participated in the caucuses. That is best shown, albeit imperfectly, by entrance poll data.

Besides, 77 percent doesn't make it anywhere near to among the most diverse, and Utah is clearly among the whitest. The only one that that qualifies as "among the most diverse" is Hawaii.

[oberliner]

75. Diversity that does not include African-Americans

In fact, African-Americans make up less than 5 percent of the population in each of those three states.

[Goblinmonger]

77. So it's not about POC as a whole but just blacks?

[oberliner]

79. That seems to be the demographic that Sanders struggles with the most

In states where African-Americans make up the majority of Democratic voters, he has done very poorly so far.