2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAccusations of Vote Fraud at the Democratic Caucus in Alaska
https://m.Very interesting. I saw nothing wrong myself.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)They (sanders supporters)wanted their votes thrown off but it had been certified after the second round. They also disagreed with the numbers too, but it had been certified by the party.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)and it counted. Not sure how Alaska runs things. Thanks for explaining it to me.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Some people just did not understand the rules.
Loki
(3,825 posts)Not understanding the rules, or thinking the rules just don't apply to them. Sound Familitar?
Cha
(297,714 posts)I got some free Hillary signs to put up in my windows. Need them for the General.
Cha
(297,714 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #5)
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Krytan11c
(271 posts)The folks who hid it probably had a problem with your antisemitic source.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Krytan11c
(271 posts)Which means you should do some verifying before posting.
In light of recent events on this board people are taking even whiffs of antisemitism very seriously.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And that person is being accused of being antisemitic from one questionable tweet that is not particularly antisemitic.
Krytan11c
(271 posts)You know they are talking about the same event?
You asked these sources about what happened? Or did you just go off the tweets?
Is there any video?
And btw in the link i posted above there are 3 antisemitic tweets, obvious ones, not one iffy tweet.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)too?
Krytan11c
(271 posts)And as far as I know of no, they're not. However, you should know that one bad source can ruin a story.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)As truth and free speech lovers (surely you are), shouldn't you deplore this hide?
Krytan11c
(271 posts)You'll see that I called his hide in this thread bull. I didn't alert or serve on the jury for his other thread. I was just pointing out why it could have been hidden and having a discussion with him about it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)who did this thing are not. Shabby excuses and none at all among those you are arguing on behalf of are all too common.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Thank Carlos Danger no one has ever made more than one of those, huh.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)typically fair and unbiased as opposed to partisan? I think "pundit" is the word you were searching for.
Pundit - A pundit (sometimes also called a talking head) is a person who offers to mass media his or her opinion or commentary on a particular subject area.
Journalist - The social work and work-craft, and profession (high-level) of reporting on the events, facts, and people that are the "news of the day," such that a society is "informed,"and including the principles of truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness and public accountability as these apply to the acquisition of newsworthy information and its subsequent dissemination to the public.
When he chose to advocate FOR a Hillary Clinton based on his "Opinion", and to use his position to actively work to the detriment of the Sanders campaign he ceased being a "journalist" and moved into the role of "pundit". A true journalist is unbiased in their reporting, not using their position to advocate.
Krytan11c
(271 posts)He calls himself a journalist AFAIK. That's why I was pointing out the issues with his previous thread.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)to advocate for a particular candidate as opposed to fair, unbiased reporting, puts him in the role of paid punditry, or pay for advocacy under the seeming guise of journalism.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Krytan11c
(271 posts)BTW thanks for caucusing today even though I disagree with your choice of candidate.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It was fun and we all were democrats.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)But a single anecdotal report by someone on Facebook - it's good.
Skinner needs to get to this jury issue sooner than later.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)around here.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)You might wanna actually break out that journalistic training and look at the past tweets from that account. They are rather interesting.
But hey, anything to advance your cause, right?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I'll PM him. He and I have had many discussions about such things in the past.
I can predict what he will say and let's see if he agrees. He and I have noted that many folks who have seemingly had no interest in antisemitism and Jewish issues before will all of a sudden show extreme interest and elevate what is at most an insensitive comment to full blown Nazism if it satisfies a political cause of the moment. I'm betting he sees the one comment by that twitter poster exactly that way.
Stand by.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Ya got caught being sloppy. The proper thing to do is move on and not be so sloppy next time.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Egos at play.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)I wasn't on the jury, but some might find that problematic.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)With all due respect ... that has the smell of bullshit.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The alerter could have pointed them to the tweet history. Or not.
Steve could post the jury results.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I was surprised at the disturbance. After such a great win, I thougt people would be cheering, not calling for arrests.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I really was.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Next primaries, thanks for working for Hillary. Don't fall to intimidation.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We are almost home.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)And out of the ditch.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:45 AM - Edit history (1)
but that ship has sailed.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)There were thing going on the entire time that I will keep to myself.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)nice effort at conflating, I give you a B, maybe a B+ for effort
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)whatever buddy
She said she did not see anything in the OP, so what is it?
Anyway, watching hawaii myself.
and this from the OP_
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Neither are compatible with one another at this time.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)twitter is already full of reports, that of course I cannot confirm... so will give them the same validity as what Steven posted about mythical bernie bros. (That is until I find somebody I know in person)
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Unbelievable, especially when you play the game from the outside in.
I guess the big problem was that some voters were distracted because they could see Russia from their caucus!
It was surreal.
mcar
(42,376 posts)Hope you enjoyed your caucus experience!
Had a good time with my Hillary crew.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)I'm sure it will be treated as seriously as all the documented reports of Clinton interference of Caucasus over the past several months.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I was at the Caucus, so I know that it was all certified before I walked out.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)That did seem to be a lot of drama, going on about prison and things...
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I have no idea who they wanted to go to prison... They just did not understand how the process worked, lol. It went on for a while before I started filming....
Number23
(24,544 posts)up??!
Girl, you are taking this to a whole 'nother level now! No wonder they are so pissed!!!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I was kinda calmed after seeing it in person full force. Prison? OMG. And yes. I was told about the wonderful MLK. Because I must not have known anything about him. It was surreal. Like, never mind. Meeting 'you know who' in person. It was like that.
Number23
(24,544 posts)and you, not only have not left, but are now taking this shit right to 'em from an entirely different angle.
And yes. I was told about the wonderful MLK.
Do tell. I guess we should be comforted in knowing that the particular brand of paternalistic cluelessness that has blanketed this site for months on end is not just confined to DU.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Like he had finally found a student to teach. Like it was 'Dangerous Minds'... I told him I had to GO.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Without fail, every last story regardless of whether the news organization was left wing or not, was "Bernie sweeps Saturday! Still lags terribly behind Clinton" or "Bernie wins three states! Still faces massive shortcomings against front runner Clinton." Every one. Without fail.
Most of the articles noted that Clinton barely even refers to him anymore, she's lasered in on Trump.
delrem
(9,688 posts)It's like you guys haven't a clue.
Number23
(24,544 posts)to respond. And her wins in Mississippi and South Carolina and other states was every bit as thorough as his wins today. The difference is, the states she won were heavy on delegates unlike the vast majority of Sanders' wins.
So let me do this again: "Sanders wins three states: STILL DESPERATELY LAGS BEHIND CLINTON" and "Sanders sweeps Saturday! Still has almost insurmountable delegate deficit to overcome."
She is still winning. Handily. Which is exactly what the press is saying and which you are desperately trying to act as though you don't understand.
delrem
(9,688 posts)That's what you and bravenak don't get.
The meme you and bravenak have been running with is that Sanders' supporters are racists.
That meme isn't supported by facts. It's just pushed and pushed and pushed, relentlessly.
As if by a PAC.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:57 AM - Edit history (1)
Which is why she's winning the delegate count, the popular vote, the super delegate count and pretty much everything else.
The meme you and bravenak have been running with is that Sanders' supporters are racists.
Your guy is losing. Lying about me and bravenak won't change any of that. It really won't. Your post says everything that needs to be said about how psychotic this web site is now. You are flat out LYING about me.
delrem
(9,688 posts)But don't you tell me that you and bravenak haven't been calling "white progressives" who support Sanders racists.
Because you have. I have the PMs to prove it.
Number23
(24,544 posts)And let me add your bullshit to my post before you "accidentally" hit that self delete button:
74. Yes, you are correct.
But don't you tell me that you and bravenak haven't been calling "white progressives" who support Sanders racists.
Because you have. I have the PMs to prove it.
delrem
(9,688 posts)eta: I will post them all. My own responses included so full context is provided.
Why not?
Number23
(24,544 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)You haven't permission rights for bravenak.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Sanders supporter a racist, POST THEM.
delrem
(9,688 posts)You don't know what you're trying to egg on.
Or maybe you do.
But I'm going to leave you go, buster.
Number23
(24,544 posts)proof" and you're posting every damn thing but proof. Most folks would have at least a twinge of decency to behave this way but it's clear that with some of you, the amount of hatred you guys have for certain folks here is fucking astonishing.
I don't know what I did to get on your bad side and I don't give the first damn about it. I'd do it all over again if I knew. I don't know what you people's problem is but I just thank God that you and the type of people you represent will never be my ally on ANY issue.
And I'm copying in this too just in case that self-delete button gets "accidentally" pressed:
delrem (9,258 posts)
83. You don't seem to be a friend of bravenak.
You don't know what you're trying to egg on.
Or maybe you do.
But I'm going to leave you go, buster.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)to lie about?
delrem
(9,688 posts)Have a peaceful night, Number23.
Number23
(24,544 posts)And I don't even care about hides.
delrem
(9,688 posts)or any of the fun stuff that you guys indulged in.
Don't give me credit for that.
I was kinda like "wtf", myself.
Number23
(24,544 posts)though we did? What is wrong with you?
Perhaps, instead of screaming "STOP CALLING ME A RACISt!!11" and covering your delicate ears, you could have actually read, listened and made even the tiniest effort to understand what the THOUSANDS of black folks that participated in those themes and other ones were trying to say.
But instead, it's apparently much easier for you NINE MONTHS LATER to come racing into a thread and accuse two posters here of doing something knowing good andgod damned well that we didn't. But we share the same melanin quotient as the folks that came up with with the #Berniesoblack tag so we gotta be guilty some kind of way, right? Do you people HEAR your damn selves?
delrem
(9,688 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I never discuss YOU with HIM. He was on ignore until this subthread. Putting him back on now, with everybody else.
Number23
(24,544 posts)I don't know what in God's name is wrong with so many of the people here. I truly don't. And I want nothing to do with so many of them.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And it feels GOOD. Just sayin. No need to abuse yourself reading nonsense anymore. You know I tried to reason. Nothing ever helped. I just say fuck it now and just post my ops and use ignore liberally. I know they saying stuff to me, and I enjoy not reading it.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)They're saying stuff about you among themselves.
It's incredibly childish not to mention creepy as hell.
These targeted pile ons remind me of the crap you used to see in grade school, but we're talking about fucking grown people here.
I suppose there's safety in numbers, because it's never just one of them.
It needs to stop, and at this point I think admin needs to stop enabling this kind of harassment.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Kinda strange that people are always talking and thinking about me. I refuse to participate in that kinda stuff.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I just looked through my pms because I was wondering wtf you were on about. You claimed I called you racist. I told you I don't care. I have them right here. I sent them to her. Now, post this evidence or just go on. Down to making stuff up at this point. Why in the name of all that's good would I EVER discuss her with somebody like YOU? I would not.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)bravenak
I lied when I said I put you on ignore. Congrats on the election!
delrem
Re: I lied when I said I put you on ignore. Congrats on the election!
Mail Message
you hurt me in a way I hadn't been hurt in years!
I don't understand because I don't even know you.
bravenak
Re: Re: I lied when I said I put you on ignore. Congrats on the election!
Mail Message
I felt the same way!!
>
> you hurt me in a way I hadn't been hurt in years!
> I don't understand because I don't even know you.
delrem
Re: Re: Re: I lied when I said I put you on ignore. Congrats on the election!
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Well, at this point I don't give a damn.
You call me a racist, I don't give a damn.
I just don't give a damn and I'm going to trash you for real.
Bye.
bravenak
Re: Re: Re: Re: I lied when I said I put you on ignore. Congrats on the election!
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I call them like I see them. You treat all of us blacks like shit them complain when we notice. I don't give a fuck if you trash me you stupid vainglorious asswipe. You act fucking racist so u get called on it.
If it wasn't true ur stupid ass wouldn't be so pissed. Truth fucking hurts huh? After that black lives matters shit, we got a bunch of fucking racists on bernie's side. Deal with it. I can curse too fucktard.
> Well, at this point I don't give a damn.
> You call me a racist, I don't give a damn.
> I just don't give a damn and I'm going to trash you for real.
>
> Bye.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)You said I said she called you ALL names. None of that said anything about her.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)When an avowed anti-Semite goes around accusing everyone else of racism I think it is just a mechanism to cover up those racist beliefs.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He really is done.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)It seems to me that rational people prevailed.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)stirring up untruths again.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)This is video evidence of the events today. You can talk mess, but you cannot say it did not happen.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)shit post
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Really. I do not care what any of you guys think about anything
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Tell me another one, bravenak. I love all of your stories.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Heavens know why people obsess over everything I post and do.
Response to bravenak (Reply #109)
DisgustipatedinCA This message was self-deleted by its author.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Wasting your time and energy.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Worry about your own self. Much better use of YOUR time.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Heading to the beach with a friend today; will be live-recording another friend playing cajón, claves cubanas, shakers, several guitars and a ukele through an iPad and loopstation in a local bar here in the island village tonight.
It's good to relax every now and then.
Spring has sprung! 22°C!
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)...they had trouble following the rules as well.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)GDPro is played such that you're compelled to base your statements on verifiable facts.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)The Anchorage-based Americas Youth PAC, made up almost entirely of former Bernie 2016 campaign staffers, is the latest unconventional outside group to throw its support behind the Vermont senator. Its leaders broke off from the Sanders campaign last week and have holed up in an old mall on the outskirts of town, just steps away from the official campaigns office in the same building.
Now, what were you saying again? Yeah, I thought so.