Differences between Hillary and Obama? Let me start this, Hillary is Female.

[Baobab]

This is a thread to discuss the differences between Obama and Hillary if any exist.

I can think of one big difference, Hillary is a WOMAN. So that makes her different than most (Male) politicians.

Perhaps in some women it would mean less ego, more cooperation?

If Hillary won she would be the first Female President in a country overwhelmingly dominated by Male politicians.

So right there she genetically looks a lot different than traditional Male politicians. Females of the species have two X chromosomes, while men have one X and one Y. Also, females create oocytes. Males don't. A very important difference.

Women's endocrine system also produces estrogen which makes Women more resistant to hardship in some ways. Their bodies carry more fat so in times of famine, they live longer.

[Avalux]

2. Those two X chromosomes mean nothing when it comes to war and peace.

We know women can be equally as ruthless as men.

[polly7]

3. Yes, they can.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511568784

[Avalux]

4. That post illustrates my point perfectly.

Gender has nothing to do with a proclivity for blood lust.

[polly7]

12. leveymg has posted a lot of invaluable information in that thread.

Much of it I had no idea of. And, it's horrible.

Others have contributed a lot of details also ............ it's very, very interesting.

[Baobab]

7. Give me some examples!

>We know women can be equally as ruthless as men.

I can't think of any really ruthless-female dictators right now.

But I suppose there is a first time for everything!

[shawn703]

15. Biljana Plavsic

[Baobab]

40. Now I know about her.

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Thanks for telling me about Biljana Plavsic.


I had not known about any really ruthless amoral female leaders. There seem to be far fewer national-level female despots, dictators etc. than male but that's probably less based on sexual / neurological/ etc. characteristics than it is on the so called glass ceiling, although I am sure that is changing.


Still, I think women are perhaps a lot less ego driven, generally. And quite often that's a good thing.

[shawn703]

16. Or even Queen Mary I

She was pretty ruthless.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. Indira Gandhi, Catheriine the Great, Eva Peron, Queen Isabella, Mary Tudor,

Elizabeth 1, Cleopatra, Boadicea, Empress Dowager Tzu-hsi.

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Lord Acton

[GreatGazoo]

5. Men produce estradiol and women produce testosterone

although in smaller quantities than the opposite gender. Every embryo is essentially female for the first 3 months.

Testosterone is for men, and estrogen is for women, right? For the most part yes, but there is estrogen found in all men, and women do need small amounts of testosterone. There is, however, a growing need to understand the effects of estrogen in men.

http://health.howstuffworks.com/sexual-health/male-reproductive-system/testosterone-and-estrogen-balance-in-men.htm

Men are capable of lactating and nursing babies btw. And famine? you really think we need to worry about whether a President can survive famine?

As for policy differences -- please review the 2008 primaries, or Bill Clinton's recent statement that "the last 8 years have a been a disaster."

[Baobab]

8. Very small amounts of testosterone, as well as alpha-MSH increase women's

libido. I don't think alpha-MSH has the same effect on men.

(It does make both sexes tan faster, though)

(Sunshine in moderation is generally good for health)

[Garrett78]

6. I think their administrations would operate about the same.

Some personality differences aside, a Clinton Administration would function much like the Obama Administration has. Unless it's just sexism, and I'm not convinced that it is, I don't understand those who are pro-Obama and anti-Clinton. Sure, Clinton represents the status quo, and so does Obama. Kerry and Gore would have, as well. Yet there seem to be some who think Obama is great and that Clinton is the devil incarnate.

[Baobab]

9. I am not any of those people.

I feel that Obama has been - to be polite, "disappointing".

>I don't understand those who are pro-Obama and anti-Clinton. Sure, Clinton represents the status quo, and so does Obama. Kerry and Gore would have, as well. Yet there seem to be some who think Obama is great and that Clinton is the devil incarnate.

[Garrett78]

19. I'd say "as expected," rather than disappointing.

But that's just me.

[VulgarPoet]

48. I expected nothing.

I find myself still incredibly underwhelmed.

[Broward]

11. I don't see much difference either. They're both center-right, authoritarian corporatists.

[treestar]

47. This is where it could be gender based

I admit a lot of conservatives would never vote for the Democrat and wouldn't have voted for Obama if he was white. But some showed an extra layer of insanity in their opposition - the birtherism, the sudden lack of need to respect the office we were lectured about for the previous 8 years, etc.

Thus Hillary may have no more ambition than any previous President, yet she will be attacked by the right for wanting the office and being "coldly ambitious." There will be the same level of hysteria where you notice OK, a Republican would never vote for a Democrat as liberal as Hillary, but there is this extra layer of hysteria. And I think a female President will be much harder for the right wing than a black man was. He was at least a man.

And as for the opposition from the left, I've never seen them call Kerry or Biden war hawks for their Iraq votes. Kerry even served in the military. But he's never called a war hawk.

[21st Century Poet]

10. Let's talk about issues, not gender.

I think, politically, the biggest difference would be in foreign policy. My impression is that Mrs Clinton is more hawkish than Mr Obama so one would expect to see more foreign intervention, war meddling and regime change in the Middle East and North Africa. She would be more cautious than a Republican president would be but less cautious than Mr Obama is.

I think, on home-ground, there would be little difference. Mrs Clinton would be a president of continuity on things like education, healthcare, gun control, debt management and so on. If you are very satisfied with Mr Obama's legacy, you should probably vote for Mrs Clinton. Mr Sanders is an option for those who think that Mr Obama failed to deliver enough change and want the President to lean more to the left.

[Baobab]

13. Globalization of large chunks of the service industries

to save money. For example, building all that infrastructure will require that. So we will lose instead of gain jobs. No more New Deal type stimulus. In exchange we get (very) cheap teachers, nurses, IT and construction.

[loyalsister]

14. And yet

Obama has a more feminine disposition than Hillary. When it comes to foreign policy, he wants dialogue, she wants to use bullying and force.
When Osama Bin Laden was killed, Obama made a very sober announcement, rather than using machismo rhetoric as with "we came, we saw, he died." Obama calls out "I love you back" when heckled. Hillary gets defensive and angry at being challenged.
In short, when it comes to leadership style, she is more like the overcompensating cowboy wanna-be W, than Obama, who prefers diplomacy and reasoning over macho war mongering.
Hillary is a woman, but her leadership style is quite masculine in the worst bullying way.
As a feminist who once admired her, I was sad to discover that she is a huge disappointment as an office holder, and as a candidate for president. I'm so sad that my first potential opportunity to vote for a woman will be to vote for one who expresses fantasies of being under fire in Bosnia, and will surely take us into war.

[snooper2]

17. But can she pee standing up?

This thread is going to crack me up

[Mother Of Four]

18. IKR?

I read this thinking ... seriously thinking ..

"This has to be some kind of joke... biology lessons?"

And yes, women can pee standing up. Are you saying urinating while vertical is a mans only thing? (gives you the stink eye)

[SwampG8r]

23. Yes they can

And hit the bowl as efficiently as any man.


Theres a joke there if you can find it.

[Hiraeth]

20. oh.dear.lord. welcome to ignore

[NorthCarolina]

21. Hillary scores a bit to the political right of Obama

I believe, so that would be another difference.

[pandr32]

26. Really? How so?

[NorthCarolina]

27. This is what I recall seeing

Like I said, a bit to the right of Obama.

[Motown_Johnny]

24. Hillary never met a war she didn't like. Obama is far less of a hawk. n/t

[Maedhros]

28. Not much less.

Obama increased military operations in Africa by 217% after he took office.

[Motown_Johnny]

35. Would Hillary ever have gotten us out of Iraq?

I doubt it.

[Maedhros]

37. Well, we were sort of kicked out, so I guess it's something of an open question...[n/t]

[VulgarPoet]

50. But the African ventures don't make the news...

Meanwhile, four people in my squadron just got back from Africa a month or so ago.

[Motown_Johnny]

25. Obama was right on marriage equality long ago, Hillary still does not comprehend the issue.

I know all her hero worshiping devotees will be outraged at my statement, but it is true.


She said "I believe that marriage is not just a bond, but a sacred bond between a man and a woman".

Later, when the polls showed that a majority of Americans supported marriage equality, and the trend in that direction was undeniable, she said she had "evolved" on the issue to support it.


This is not a reasonable statement. It is not reasonable because of the meaning of the word "sacred".


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sacred

^snip^

sacred

adjective sa·cred ˈsā-krəd

Simple Definition of sacred

: worthy of religious worship : very holy
: relating to religion
: highly valued and important : deserving great respect



She has every right to view the sacrament of marriage as sacred. Any religious person would agree with her. Those unions are part of a religious belief system and viewed by persons who share that belief system as "very holy". When referring to the sacrament of marriage it is entirely correct to use the word "sacred".

Unfortunately, the topic of discussion was legal marriage. Simply put, the ability of two persons to obtain a license issued by a government agency. This is not sacred in any way, shape or form and to have referred to it as such was, is and always will be wrong.

"Evolving" on this is not reasonable and betrays the fact that Hillary does not comprehend the difference between the sacrament of marriage and legal marriage (presumably all her advisers also). She has had years, decades even, to wrap her head around this and yet she is still wrong on it. This shows that she lacks the intellectual capacity to grasp such a very simple fact as well as the integrity to stand up for something she believes is sacred.

Flame away all you hero worshiping devotees. She used the word "sacred" when she should not have and to this day she has shown that she does not comprehend why it is wrong. Argue all you want. You are wrong, and so is she.

[bunnies]

29. What next? Women like pink, men like blue?

FFS.

[KitSileya]

31. The irony there? Pink was considered a boy color until recently.

For a long time, calm blu was seen as appropriate for girls, and pink, so close to aggressive red, was a boy color. It changed in the 1950s. But thank goodness we have come a long way since then, even if this OP is evidence that we haven't come far enough.

[bunnies]

32. I didnt know that about the colors.

Thank you for teaching me something new. Maybe I should have stuck to women baking / men liking sports. You know, because Im female, I like to be cooperative.

[KitSileya]

33. The idea of feminine and masculine traits and values being genetic is hooey.

It's such a bunch of bullpuckey you'd think that people on a progressive website would know better, but there's always some. It's usually the same ones who argue tone and not being too strident with feminists, or who have such a low opinion on men that they think they can't control themselves when confronted by cleavage.

[bunnies]

34. I couldnt agree with you more.

And regarding the website, I dont think progressive means what it used to mean around here. Its getting to the point that my eyes hurt from rolling. Its almost not worth it.

[sheshe2]

41. OT:

I always loved the pancake on your bunnies head. The duck is great she is adorable, is she ducking and covering here? I can't say I blame her or is it him?

Awesome avatar, bunnies.

[bunnies]

44. lol

Thanks. Though I can't take credit for it. I've had the pancake one for years and every now and then a DUer will respond to me with a pic of a bunny with something random random on its head. IIRC, it was zappaman who recently supplied the duck pic. Not sure if he was mocking me or not, but I decided to make it a keeper.

I hadn't put "duck and cover" together. But now that you mention it, it's perfect for primary season on du!

[sheshe2]

45. ;)

[bunnies]

46. Omg.

That's just too much squee for me to handle.

[mcar]

30. ..

[sheshe2]

42. Yup!

[NastyRiffraff]

36. Is this OP for real?

Are you kidding all of us? I mean, what's your point, if there is one?

[sheshe2]

43. Looks to me like they tossed a grenade....

and ran.

Interesting.

[HereSince1628]

38. Obama lacks HRC's experience, he's never been on the board of WalMart

[Vinca]

39. I don't think votes should be cast based on chromosomes.

[demmiblue]

49. Is this some kind of joke?

[KPN]

51. YAY!

Somebody who asked the obvious and saved me the effort!