I've been accused of being a "Berniebro". Genitals have nothing to do with whom I support.

[Pryderi]

[seabeyond]

1. I watched the BernBros go after Warren right before Mass. I do not believe this.

[seabeyond]

2. And the 50's graphic and pearls says it all.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

31. Beach-ha-ha!

[seabeyond]

32. Did you call me the B word? then laugh?

[polly7]

40. It that how you 'interpreted' it?

[seabeyond]

41. This would be asking a question and giving the opportunity for an answer. I know civil discourse

can be a challenge.

[polly7]

44. I bet you do!

[seabeyond]

47. That does not make sense, you might want to edit. Bonobo, BMUS and you. I am so outta here. Lol.

[polly7]

50. Sure it does.

Your post doesn't, however.

Are you saying we're like, three little monkeys sitting in a tree?

[Pryderi]

3. Is Susan Sarandon a "Berniebro"?

[seabeyond]

4. She is not clever at all, and that is sad that she feels it is clever to reduce women to body parts.

Buddying with her bro's. Then ironically, she asked the feminists to come out and support her when her 67 yr old cleavage was being attacked, a week later. Classic.

Sarandon can vote for whoever she wants. Doesn't mean she is not capable of sexist shit right along with the rest of us.

[Pryderi]

5. Oh. You mean like that sexist shit that Gloria Steinem was talking about?

Young women supporting Bernie because that's where the boys are?

[seabeyond]

6. Academically there was a point. A waste of time trying to have conversation with a misogynist Maher.

[beam me up scottie]

17. So her comment wasn't horribly sexist because of whom she was speaking to?

Women are more for [Clinton] than men are. Men tend to get more conservative because they gain power as they age, women get more radical because they lose power as they age.

They’re going to get more activist as they grow older. And when you’re younger, you think: ‘Where are the boys? The boys are with Bernie.’

She implied that young women who support Bernie are hormone crazed idiots who are only following men.

If a man has said that about Hillary supporters we'd never hear the end of it.

[seabeyond]

26. There you are with your "implied" again as you interpret it how it works for you.

[beam me up scottie]

29. She had to apologize for her sexist statement so obviously it's not just *my* interpretation.

[seabeyond]

34. Again, your interpretation that you work so hard making fact. You are funny. Done with you though.

[beam me up scottie]

43. It was interpreted that way by thousands of angry women, why do you think she apologized?

It was sexist and insulting to reduce intelligent passionate young women to boy crazy girls.

And again, if a man - say Maher - has said that about young women who support Hillary the feminists on DU would have called for his head and rightly so.

[seabeyond]

46. If you have read the academics of Steinem's discussion on feminism, it would be clear to you. Done.

[beam me up scottie]

48. I have read Steinem and that makes her comments even more inexcusable.

[Bonobo]

7. How ironic then that you just reduced her to "cleavage"

And threw in a comment about her age (as if she shouldn't be sexual at 67).

Nasty.

[seabeyond]

10. It was her conversation, it is not reducing her to shit. Not nearly as clever as you think.

[Bonobo]

15. Why did you say "her 67 year old cleavage"

It certainly sounds like you are trying to shame her for her sexuality. And being ageist.

[seabeyond]

22. "her 67 year old cleavage" That was the WHOLE point of the attack on her, and her calling

out to feminists to stand with her and her right to show her 67 yr old cleavage if she wanted.

Get it?

[beam me up scottie]

11. "Buddying with her bro's"? So you're saying she's not capable of independent thought?

She's just doing what men want her to do?

Is that the sexist shit you're taking about?

[seabeyond]

12. You said it. I did not say that. You did then answered yourself.

[beam me up scottie]

19. Actually you said it, you implied she was trying to please men.

[seabeyond]

24. you can not say "you said it" then state "you implied". You just confirmed I did NOT say it. Lmao.

[beam me up scottie]

33. "Buddying with her bro's" wasn't saying that she was trying to please men?

What do "bros" have to do with what she said?

[seabeyond]

36. buddying is more hangin' don't you think? Or, you can interpret it to work for you, regardless.

[beam me up scottie]

38. What did it mean in this context? She wasn't "hanging" with any men when she said that.

[seabeyond]

42. The OP is talking about BernieBro's. BernieBros started the who reducing women to parts.

[beam me up scottie]

45. But you said it about Susan, who was she hanging with?

[JonLeibowitz]

59. Jury results.....

On Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:05 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

"Buddying with her bro's"? So you're saying she's not capable of independent thought?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1569970

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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Nobody said any such thing. This is a disgusting debate tactic, making an accusation and putting a question mark on it. Kinda like 'so, when did you stop beating your wife?' And this poster is filling up the thread with these, 'just asking questions...', posts. I think a a break from this thread is in order. That JAQing off stuff is beneath us. Please hide

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:09 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

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[beam me up scottie]

60. Thanks, good jury! That's the third alert on me in an hour.

[JonLeibowitz]

61. I could be the lone juror...

[ebayfool]

67. Ha! I did not know smilies worked on jury posts. When I think of all the 2 fingered typing ...

I've done explaining my call, well - that coulda shortened the time involved!

And good call by this jury!

[sheshe2]

16. + 1000

[phleshdef]

66. The funny thing, is you are actually the sexist one and you are too brainwashed by your own BS...

...to realize it.

[polly7]

74. Nailed it! nt.

[basselope]

89. Its kind of sad you don't see the difference...

Between being asked to support someone just because of their body parts

and

having those body parts insulted.

[sheshe2]

13. What is with the sexy pose?

[Bonobo]

18. Shaming her sexuality? Wow. nt

[beam me up scottie]

21. What's wrong with her pose? She looks sexy and confidant.

That's not easy at any age, good for Susan!

[sheshe2]

51. Sex sells?

[beam me up scottie]

52. What is she selling? Sounds like slut shaming to me.

Slut shaming is the act of criticising a woman for her real or presumed sexual activity, or for behaving in ways that someone thinks are associated with her real or presumed sexual activity.

Slut shaming - Geek Feminism Wiki - Wikia

[sheshe2]

55. Hokey Dokey

[opiate69]

62. Boy, that amnesty was such a great idea, eh?

[beam me up scottie]

64. Right?

Some hides are up in the double digits.

Lord of the Flies: DU Island.

[polly7]

73. I just wish they'd done it before the hearts drive, or let us know they were planning it.

I always give more than I should .... wouldn't have done that if I'd known the hate-filled posters here with their busy, busy! alert fingers would be allowed back to spew their bile unchecked. I'm honestly wondering why the owners want to chase off decent posters who bring more than hate to their site.

[polly7]

56. A confident woman who doesn't think body parts need to be hidden away and who

dresses, poses and photographs as she pleases isn't 'selling' anything. I don't know what kind of mind it takes to even make that kind of connection.

[Waiting For Everyman]

14. Couldn't agree with her more.

She's 4 years older than me, she'll be 70 in October. This boomer woman thinks Susan rocks!

She's smart and she's involved instead of being all about herself I'm glad she's on Bernie's side.

[Lorien]

25. Um, "Draft Warren" supporters are all Bernie supporters now

I don't know a SINGLE Bernie supporter who wouldn't vote for Warren in a heartbeat.


I also don't know a single Hillary supporter who will actually talk about Hillary's positions on the issues.

[seabeyond]

30. How about the frenzy throwing Warren under the bus because she did not endorse before MA primary?

[jillan]

8. Which brings up the question - why is when Barack Obama ran for President, he didn't run on being

the first black President? Why is it that Bernie Sanders is running for President but never once says I would be the first Jewish President?

And why is it that Hillary doesn't stop talking about her being the first woman President?

Personally I vote for the person who I think will be the best candidate regardless of their skin color, their religion or their genitals.

[madokie]

49. What else does

she have. Her time as a congress person wasn't anything to brag on, neither was her time as SoS, nor was her time as first lady so I ask what exactly does she run on?

8 years as Senator with many questionable votes. Stood with too many tyrants and too quick to suggest might makes right. Too many question of pay to play etc

I'll vote for her if I have too but it will be with a heavy heart

[beam me up scottie]

9. Join the rest of us, welcome to under the bus!

We've been called traitors since last May when we decided to support the progressive.

[ebayfool]

68. My 25 yr old grandson was delighted to hear his 61 yr old gramma ...

was a 'BernieBro' today. Texted me back "I'm all in for Trump - we need to make America great again!"

Told the little shit I'd drive upstate and whomp him one. He's very good at poking the bear. And no he's not a Trumper, he just likes to play!

(Yes, we have 'em young in this family. But I'm happy to say each generation has waited longer.)

[beam me up scottie]

69. He sounds like a real stinker!

My s/o likes to instigate trouble too, he's a real riot at family gatherings, loves to pit me against his religious right wing brothers.

[senz]

23. The term "BernieBro" is empty and despicable

as are those who use it.

[Lorien]

27. Agreed. But that and the faux feminist thing is all they have

since discussing the issues always leads us to:

[polly7]

35. Faux feminist is right.

They've accused others on here of being women who live to have men 'pat them on the head'. It's so much bullshit.

[Prism]

78. I believe the word for that is misogyny.

It's actually a bit weird how much of it I've seen lately. I wouldn't have expected the supporters of what could be the first woman president to dip into that well so often and with such relish.

[polly7]

79. I know, Prism. It's really odd to watch, isn't it?

It's like many of the values fought for by courageous women for decades don't mean squat right now - it's all about getting a woman in - I don't think they even care that they've abandoned much of what they've been 'promoting' (and often bullying with) here for so long.

[Prism]

80. Denying women their agency has long been acceptable in some quarters

As long as it is done for the Greater Good.

Which is defined by whatever the immediate need happens to be at the moment.

Women don't really support Sanders. They just want men to like them!

A respect for a woman's own mind suddenly goes poof. Just like that.

[polly7]

81. Exactly, and young women by the millions are seeing through this bull*.

Their voices and the whole campaign they are supporting are trying to be blocked by most of the MSM. It's sad to watch. They're the type of true feminists who not only are demanding their own rights as equal human beings, but the same for all people. But they push on ......... I so admire them for it! and hope with all my heart things turn out for the best.

[senz]

37. Excellent graphic, Lorien.

I don't know how they can stand it.

[BernieforPres2016]

28. It is a baseless smear that has the scumbag David Brock written all over it nt

[potone]

39. Indeed it is.

It is also sexist in implying that Bernie only appeals to men. And only to obnoxious men, at that.

[FlatBaroque]

72. It is a critical part of the Clinton strategy

as it subtly implies that a girl is being bullied by these men and we should vote for her to support her. It is part of Hillary go-to strategy of playing the victim.

[senz]

84. We have to ignore it and move on.

It's a technique to discredit and distract us.

We have a BIG job ahead of us; we cannot afford to be waylaid by this crap.

[Lizzie Poppet]

76. I've put most of the dullards that use it on Ignore.

I've a few juicy counterattacks, but I try to be good and not use them...usually I succeed.

Er...lately.

For the last couple days.

Mostly.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

85. I love my new DU - Ignore Edition -- still looking for strays

it is a better world without them

[Warren DeMontague]

53. Berniebros are cereal business

[beam me up scottie]

54. You know what you need for that? A prize! Maybe a poster:

[Warren DeMontague]

57. AHA!

BERNIEBRONIES! I KNEW IT!

[beam me up scottie]

58. If you collect boxtops you can send them in for smokin BernieBro merchandise:

?733

[Warren DeMontague]

63. AND JUST WHERE DID YOU FIND MY PICTURE?

Looks like I'm fittin in the 32" skinnies again, too. Rockin'

[beam me up scottie]

65. I Googled 'purple gingham' and poof! There you were!

Thank you Al Gore!

[polly7]

70. LOL

[Babel_17]

87. lol, somebody did a nice job with that

Three David Brocks!

[LanternWaste]

71. While yet others have been accused of worshiping the oligarchy and 1%.

While yet others have been accused of worshiping the oligarchy and 1% in regards to support for Clinton. No need to pay attention to any of these half-witted, under-educated, sub-literate allegations.

They are used in place of objective anlysis, and should be a primary indication that the accuser is little more than low hanging fruit. At best.

[Warren DeMontague]

91. I don't worship anything, except maybe the spirit of inquiry.

Seems to me the more people worship, the less they think.

[CharlotteVale]

75. Berniebros is a sexist term spread by Clinton supporters who

claim that any criticism of Hillary is sexist. Such hypocrisy. I'm a woman who supports Bernie, and there are many of us, yet when Clinton supporters use the term Berniebros they deny our very existence. It doesn't get any more sexist than denying womens' very existence.

[seaglass]

77. Yeah a more appropriate term would have been Bernie stans rather than bros. Even though bros

is not a sexist term it does seem to leave all the female Bernie stans out.

Disclaimer: of course not ALL Bernie supporters are Bernie stans, I know some decent Bernie voters personally.

Oh and count me in as a vagina voter.

[senz]

83. How dare you.

Stop attacking us. It's an ugly diversion from the truth about your candidate.

Do something good with your life: support Bernie Sanders for president.

Yes, I mean it.

[seaglass]

92. You have spent 9 months complaining about and sniping at Hillary supporters, clean your

own house.

[senz]

93. Who called whom racist and sexist? Who came up with "BernieBro?" Not us.

Y'all did.

I don't think we're going to forgive you.

[seaglass]

94. A tech editor for The Atlantic - male - coined the phrase BernieBro. I'm not looking for any

forgiveness so that works out for both of us.

[senz]

95. Well since it's a lie, the tech editor was doing the dirty work

of her highness.

As for forgiveness, I am reminded of the lyrics to an old song that always reminds me of your candidate. There's a stanza that goes,

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good?
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could?
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

[CharlotteVale]

86. Just how is "bros" NOT a sexist term when it refers only to MALES? And WTF does "stans" mean?

[Babel_17]

88. Maybe was going for Berniestan, like some kind of a dictatorship? (nt)

[Babel_17]

82. I don't doubt you (nt)

[Warren DeMontague]

90. More noises from the Hill Folk