Fun Fact: Clinton Beating Sanders 16-4 in States that Have Conducted Primaries Rather than a Caucus

[Stallion]

Hillary Clinton the democratically elected Democratic favorite

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html?_r=0

[RobertEarl]

1. Most were confederate states

Via corruptible voting machines and record low turnout.

Even Florida!

[Tarc]

3. It is March 24, 2016

How is it that some Sanders supporters still think that dismissing the African-American voters in the south is a winning strategy?

[RobertEarl]

5. AA are the minority

Most voters in the confederate states are whites.

When are you H people going to quit blaming the AA for H's success?

As for South Carolina 87% of the voters ignored the election by not even voting!

[Tarc]

6. The Southern A-A vote was the key to her success

and the reason why Sanders will not be the D nominee.

[RobertEarl]

9. No they are not

The reason is hardly anyone voted and the voting machines.

It's not like the deep south states are a hot bed of progressive politics, so of course the very few who did vote voted for the most right wing candidate.

I am embarrassed for my south. I had hopes they would vote for their best interest. At least my county did. My kind of people, yes indeed.

[Tarc]

35. African-Americans are not right-wing

How little the Sanders camp knows about the minority vote is becoming rather obvious of late.

[RobertEarl]

40. Word twister you are?

Why do you do that?

The fact is the few who voted in the south did not vote for the left candidate. From the exit poll we see the young and educated did mostly vote for Bernie. Hope for the future, indeed!.

[Tarc]

41. They are both left candidates

You and your il kare trying to charactgerize Clinton's support base as largely right, which is unadulterated hiorseshit.

Keep on shoveling it though, it'll propel you to a solid 2nd place.

[RobertEarl]

43. You don't know what left means

Hillary is not left. She is not even progressive like Bernie is. She is conservative and is a big money, elite candidate.

We Left are more socialist. Community, not money, is more important to us.

[LuvLoogie]

52. 2nd Place... Also known as 1st Loser!

[Zynx]

11. In the southern states, African American voters were often the majority (AL, LA, SC, and GA).

Also, if you want to go by those ignored statistics, what the fuck does that say about caucuses?

[RobertEarl]

13. Prove it

I think you are imagining things. AA make up about 30% of the south's population.

You say statistics, show me the statistics of turnout and the percentages of whites who voted.

[Zynx]

15. The exit polls showed it. As a percentage of the Dem electorate, they're often a majority.

In states where the Dems get 40-45% of the vote and African Americans are 30% of the overall electorate with 90% voting for the Dems, it stands to reason that the vote is predominantly black.

You are being pretty rude for someone who clearly isn't actually thinking about this with any level of sophistication and for someone who is making arguments that also invalidate Sanders's wins. Low turnout? How about those caucus states? States we won't win? We'll win Virginia and Florida long before we win Idaho or Oklahoma.

Since I assume you're too strident to actually look this up for fear that you're wrong, I'll do it for you:

Georgia: 51% black http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/ga/Dem
South Carolina: 61% black: http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/sc/Dem
Alabama: 54% black: http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/al/Dem

They don't have them for Mississippi and Louisiana, but there's no doubt that holds there.

Bernie got basically none of the southern African American vote. Deal with it. It's not my problem you're being strident.

[RobertEarl]

19. Turnout?

Of course the AA in the south are democrats. Duh!

The one state that I know of, South Carolina, only 13% of the democrats voted. Why just 13%?

13% is not representative of anything. It is embarrassing, is what it is. 87% ignored the election!!

But then voter suppression in the deep south is a well known situation.

[Zynx]

22. You are being utterly ridiculous. In caucus states the percentage turnout is far punier.

As I said, every criticism you level against Clinton's wins is much stronger against pretty much all of Bernie's wins, especially the caucus states. How about those turnouts in Idaho and Utah? As a share of the overall electorate, god those are pathetic.

[RobertEarl]

32. At least it is hope for the future

The past being what is is, a history of the same old same old conservative politics is regressive and sickening.

And your personal attacks are a symptom of all that.

[RobertEarl]

36. Exit polls are not good statistics

What is, are the state's voter rolls. You claimed statistics, and all you have is a cnn exit poll. Try again later?

[Stallion]

18. I Think You Just Did!

30% of Mississippi is probably more than 60-65% of the Democratic electorate since Democrats probably only make up about 35%-40% of the electorate of the state

let me see if Mississippi has 5 million population (ignoring that many aren't voting age or voters)
.30 x 5 million=1.5 Million minority voters
.40 x 5 million= 2 Million Democrat voters

1,5/2 Million=75% of Democratic voters would be Minorities-as referenced in prior post-most minorities are African American but not all

subtract a small amount for those voting Republican

[RobertEarl]

21. Turnout ?

What percentage did not ignore the election?

Who owns the voting machines?

[Zynx]

23. Honestly, you are debating like a Republican. Ignoring every fact that is inconvenient.

Bernie's wins also come with what is, on an absolute scale, low turnout. Yet you use it to invalidate Hillary's wins and pretend Bernie is doing fine. What is wrong with you?

[RobertEarl]

29. What's wrong with you?

Your personal attacks show that you are uncomfortable having this discussion.

The deep south is a hot bed of voting suppression. Claiming some sort of national victory based on the deep south is just wrong. Maybe that is why you have to get personal, because you know 87% ignoring democracy is no hope for the future?

[brooklynite]

33. Not in the Democratic Primary...

African Americans were 60-65% of the votes on the Democratic side.

The ignorance here can be staggering.

[hobbit709]

25. When was the last time most of those states went D in the general election?

For example: S.C. in 1976.

[Tarc]

34. When was the last time Utah and Idaho went D in the general election?

Yet we're had to listen to no small amount of crowing and yelping about those "YUUUUGE" Bernie wins.

Or do red states only matter when your candidate wins em?

[hobbit709]

37. That wasn't your original question.

[Tarc]

38. You pump up Sanders' red state wins, and dismiss Hillary's red state wins

Hypocrisy defined.

[hobbit709]

39. hypocrisy is HRC defined.

[DanTex]

50. Yes, they do. And that is (part of) why they lost.

[dogman]

2. Harder to rig a caucus.

[valerief]

4. Bingo!

[NuclearDem]

8. Thats not what you guys were saying after Iowa and Nevada.

[dogman]

16. I didn't say couldn't.

I said harder. Of course that doesn't stop the entrenched establishment from protecting their turf. There are different levels to the caucus. The Polk County Chairperson was reported by DU members as having discouraged caucus goers at the County level. The Nevada fiasco was highlighted by the "english only" lies.

[NuclearDem]

20. Just a tip: Your preferred candidate losing doesn't constitute fraud or rigging.

Whatever the problems with primaries, they allow ample opportunities for most people to participate.

I can't vote a month and a half ahead of time for a caucus. I don't have to take five or six hours out of a work night to vote in a primary; I spend fifteen minutes filling out the ballot, putting it in the envelope, and walking it out to the mailbox, or spend thirty minutes driving out to the courthouse on my day off.

For self-proclaimed saviors of democracy, some seem to despise democracy.

[dogman]

45. There is nothing more democratic than a caucus.

People have to take time to meet and discuss their candidates face to face. It is obviously antiquated, people don't like to interact with their neighbors much anymore. I would prefer a national holiday for voting in which only necessary businesses are allowed to open and special provisions for voting for those critical workers. A Democracy Day. I would certainly not want to vote ahead of time, a lot can happen in a month and a half, but that's a personal choice.

[Zynx]

12. Oh for the love of God. Is there any evidence the primaries were "rigged"?

Hillary performed in line with all pre-election polling and exit polling. Get over it.

[w4rma]

42. There are mounds of evidence that the Arizona primary was rigged. (nt)

[iandhr]

44. Sanders supporters whining on the internet is not the same thing is a evidence.

[w4rma]

48. New Details Reveal Possible Voter Suppression in Illinois Primary

The next day, Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan, an ardent Hillary Clinton supporter who has introduced her at campaign rallies, filed an appeal in Illinois 4th District Appellate Court to prevent late voting. On March 23, the appellate court issued a stay on Judge Vahle’s injunction, meaning those voters won’t get a chance to cast ballots in this primary. Hillary Clinton won Illinois by roughly 35,000 votes, or a slim 1.8 percent margin, effectively splitting delegates with Sanders.

Bernie Sanders won in four of the six Illinois counties that had ballot shortages.

● In Champaign County, Sanders beat Clinton 20,581-10,542 — almost a two-to-one margin.
● Bernie Sanders beat Clinton in rural Effingham County 1,247-867.
● Sanders won by 3,391 votes in Madison County, a Democratic Party stronghold.
● Bernie Sanders won 10,365 votes to Clinton’s 9,255 votes in Sangamon County.

In a phone interview, Adams County State’s Attorney Jon Barnard said that had there been enough ballots available in those counties, the end result may have been a Sanders win, rather than a Clinton victory.

“I think it’s certainly possible,” Barnard told US Uncut. “The number of voters that were turned away was in the thousands. Sangamon and Madison are huge for Democrats.”
…
Because the Adams County Clerk must certify primary election results by March 29, Barnard said there isn’t enough time to appeal the case to the Illinois Supreme Court, effectively disenfranchising thousands of voters.

http://usuncut.com/politics/illinois-democratic-establishment-refuses-to-allow-late-voting-for-voters-turned-away-from-polls/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1570622

[iandhr]

49. Do you have a reputable news sources.?

USUNCT and DU don't count.

[w4rma]

54. Don't attack the messenger. The facts compiled in the article are independently verifiable. (nt)

[tritsofme]

14. But much easier to disenfranchise voters, deny a secret ballot and discourage participation.

In the caucus states...But yeah...some vote fraud conspiracy theory nonsense is the real answer to your preferred candidate's failure...

[KingFlorez]

28. Actually, that isn't true

Depending on what the registration and verification requirements are a campaign could bus voters into a caucus. There was a man on Facebook who claimed that he was getting on a bus from California to caucus in Nevada. Caucuses are incredibly untrustworthy.

[dogman]

47. If the people running them are untrustwothy.

Usually the Party establishment, as in the Polk County Iowa Chairman (Hillary 2016 license plate) reported here by DU members.

[Bill USA]

7. "Fun Fact" ...LOL!

[CalvinballPro]

10. New script versus old script

Old script: "Let the people vote!"

New script: "Let the pledged delegates ignore their voters and switch to Sanders!"

[peace13]

53. Ya know, even before the primary Hillary had super delegates under her thumb.

your concern is noted!

[snowy owl]

17. There's your proof it is all about name recognition.

Caucus goers are informed.

[Zynx]

24. Are they? I'll give you that they're more excited and committed, but I dare say that doesn't mean

they're more informed.

[NuclearDem]

26. Indeed. The Dunning-Kruger effect is a very real phenomenon...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

[snowy owl]

56. Irrelevant link

[SoLeftIAmRight]

27. when machines count hillary wins - when people show up and count sanders wins

???

[OhZone]

30. I love how so many of the Bernie fans are becoming conspiracy nuts -

Just like I predicted.

I wonder how many will be listening to Alex Jones in a couple of months.

Oh well.

[revbones]

31. Got a link to that prediction?

And are they bigger conspiracy nuts than Hillary followers that believe everything is a right-wing conspiracy?

[OhZone]

51. Yeah, found a couple -

Here's one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110739889

"OhZone (800 posts)
1. I still think they'll be Alex Jones fans soon. n/t"


Since I said "still", there must be an older one. haha

Here's another

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511164152
" OhZone (800 posts)
69. Haha - moon landing.

Good one. I knew some of the Sanders people will end up as conspiracy nuts. I wonder if some will be subscribing to Alex Jones and Dan Bidondi and screaming that Hillary can't take their guns?"


Oh, and yeah, the GOP already admitted Benghazi was done to hurt Hillary. As were all the other fake scandals going back to the 90s and before.

[calguy]

46. That is NOT a fun fact

Not if you're a BSer. The rest of us are cool with though. We accept reality.

[Number23]

55. Yep. And the same folks screaming the loudest about how horrible the DEMOCRATIC super delegates are

are the main folks stomping and cheering the loudest when Repubs and indies help determine who the DEMOCRATIC nominee is going to be.