Tell me Billy Bob is not losing it. He just insulted the Obama administration.

[jillan]

"Put the awful legacy of the past 8 years behind us" WTF???!!

[sufrommich]

1. He's talking about republican obstructionism.nt

[madamesilverspurs]

2. That was my take.

[reformist2]

42. I think he was on autopilot, robotically repeating a line he used in the 2008 campaign.

Clinton isn't as sharp as he used to be, apparently.

[synergie]

84. Guys, before we go into who isn't sharp and who is on autopilot, play that video again

and pay attention to the little elephant on the right lower corner, and then see where the OP got her video from, and then look up "ratfucking" so you can see what's going on here.

[randome]

85. Wow. Sharp eyes, synergie.

It's 'funny' how they try to hide their sources, like HA Goodman and now this.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

[synergie]

87. It's been debunked on twitter all night, the BSers are really, really defiant in the face of the

simple fact as the source and have been hurling abuse all night.

Also, check out HA HA's twitter feed, he's not only losing it, but he's being spanked by several intelligent progressives. Very amusing. There are a lot of rather hilarious tantrums happening here, apparently digging in on CT and attacking people pointing out their mistake is the way they're choosing to handle this, the Sanders camp apparently went to slimy, low level last night. They were tweeting the America Rising PAC's version. So much for Bernie not loving his Super PAC which keeps helping him out!

Making ads, editing Bill, they're so very helpful!

[MrMickeysMom]

111. I believe rat fucking is a little more than the R's getting ahold of something he actually SAID

I looked up rat-fucking a long time ago. They had two Sith names associated with it... Lee Atwater and David Brock.

[jillan]

4. Obviously. But that's not what he said - Is it? That's why I wonder if he is losing it. Instead of

saying the LAST Republican administration he said the LAST 8 years.

Big difference!!

[sufrommich]

7. He meant republican obstructionism in the last 8 years.nt

[arcane1]

26. That certainly won't end by electing Hillary, or any other Dem. I'm not sure what he's thinking.

[synergie]

86. You might want to go find the real video and not the Ratfucking one you've posted.

The source: the GOP war room and the little elephant should have been a little tell that you might be being lied to.

Pay attention and then perhaps a guy who's far more sharp and intelligent than most people in the world, won't seem to be "losing it" to you.

There is indeed a big difference between what he said and what the RW video makes it seem like he said.

[Mike__M]

28. So Hillary will get a pass

on the awful obstructionism because . . .

[Loki]

47. My take also.

n/t

[Ken Burch]

76. That would account for the last SIX years, not the last EIGHT.

[bettyellen]

3. You know he is talking about Republicans- so why post this bullshit? And Billy Bob?

Seriously? So Freeperish. Get a grip.

[KMOD]

100. It's very silly.

Not very creative either, because Billy Jeff, while equally silly, would have made more sense.

[dubyadiprecession]

106. Well, People outside of the democratic party alway come up with mean spirited nicknames for Bill.

[bettyellen]

109. yeah, we're seeing tons of ratf*cking here these days.

[MohRokTah]

5. So now Republican obstructionism is not an awful legacy to Sanders supporters????????

[jillan]

15. There was not a republican administration over the last 8 years. Why did he say that?

That was a really stupid thing to say. And absolutely shocking that he did not catch himself after he said it.

[MohRokTah]

19. There has been Republican obstructionism for the past 8 years

Didn't you pay attention to what happened and what Bill said?????

[HooptieWagon]

33. No. Only 6.

And Republican obstructionism will double down with Hillary.

[MohRokTah]

36. It started on January 20, 2009

So it was 8.

Obstructionism in the Senate dies with this Congress. The filibuster is a guaranteed goner.

[HooptieWagon]

40. No. Dems had a large majority for 2 years.

Dems could easily outvote GOP except for Dems bribed to obstruct ACA like Lieberman, etc.
And the GOP will continue obstructing Clinton with a vengeance if she's elected. Impeachment hearings will begin before she's even sworn in.

[MohRokTah]

48. Wrong again.

Sixty legislative days when there was a filibuster proof majority in the Senate and Obama accomplished more in those sixty days than FDR accomplished in his entire first term.

The entire rest of the administration saw constant Republican obstructionism on everything.

[leftynyc]

88. Are we pretending they're going

to welcome a Bernie administration by all of a sudden agreeing to everything he wants? Just how delusional are the Bernie supporters if you believe that bullshit?

[HooptieWagon]

91. Only the Hillarians are pretending there will be no obstruction.

[randome]

92. There will be LESS obstruction if Clinton helps us take back the Senate.

I don't know of anyone who has said there will be no obstruction. Do you?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

[leftynyc]

93. Hillarians?

What the fuck is that? And a Bernie supporter just got a fit of the vapors from me using bad language. And perhaps you could supply a link or two at any Hillary supporter saying there will be no obstruction. Go ahead, I'll wait.

[SDJay]

6. Is This Taken Out of Context Somehow?

I can't believe he'd openly say that about PBO. If this is accurate and he actually meant that slam towards President Obama, I find that stunning and shameful.

*edit* I see from earlier responses that he was talking about the repukes in Congress. That makes a lot more sense and I agree with him.

[jillan]

11. I posted the video.

[SDJay]

16. Thanks. nt

[BernieforPres2016]

12. Whether he was referring to the Republicans in Congress or not

Referring to the last 8 years as "awful" kind of breaks from the party line on this so called economic recovery doesn't it?

[SDJay]

21. Yes, and It Wasn't Said Eloquently By Any Means...

but it's still a whole lot different than openly crapping on PBO. That's not what happened here.

I also don't agree that HRC is some sort of change agent. The only way she'd get things done with the repukes is to agree with them. That's what's going to happen. I guess you could call that "change" in a way, even though it isn't.

[me b zola]

65. Its the Clinton way of saying something intended for repubs to hear it differently then dems do

...it is dog whistles for the general, attempting to appeal to republicans

[SamKnause]

8. You know all about deregulation don't you Bill ???

Just say no to the Bush family.

Just say no to the Clinton family.

The death and destruction these 2 families have caused this

country and the world is incalculable !!!

Just go away !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mnpaul]

53. Bill's answer to Republican obstruction

was to give them just about everything they wanted

Media Deregulation

Free trade deals

Welfare Reform

Wall St deregulation

[SamKnause]

54. Oh but Hillary will be so much better.

That is what we are being told day after day.

They are both con artists in my book.

[BernieforPres2016]

9. Do you know who is in this audience he is speaking to?

Kind of shocking to see him say this in public, particularly if he knew he was being recorded. Maybe he is losing it. He sounds and looks feeble.

[arcane1]

27. A community college in Spokane, it appears

http://www.khq.com/story/31512952/watch-live-bill-clinton-to-campaign-for-hillary-clinton-in-spokane

[BernieforPres2016]

32. Thanks, it appears to be an event open to the public

Not a high dollar fundraiser. I wonder if there are any pictures of the crowd. From the sound of his voice on the clip I heard it seems to have been a very small audience.

[insta8er]

10. He just misspoke, it happens a lot when you're a Clinton.

[Agschmid]

13. Unrec.

Try again.

[H2O Man]

14. Thank you.

Recommended.

Not surprisingly, some friend just "alerted" on this. I'll post the jury results when I get them.

[jillan]

18. Alerted on a video? Bill's words, not mine.

[H2O Man]

20. There are some here

who seek to silence the pro-Bernie community.

[H2O Man]

24. 3-4 to leave it.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This post is not only "okay," it is important. Hence, the attempt to silence it.
-- H2O Man
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I am a Hillary supporter, and what Bill Clinton said was about republican obstructionism, NOT President Obama. While I disagree with the OPs interpretation, in no way does it merit a hide. This should be discussed and debated in a civil fashion, and referring to Bill Clinton as Billy Bob borders on flame bait, but again I don't think it merits a hide.

[desmiller]

77. gee whiz. Talk about sensitive.

[cosmicone]

17. He was talking about Republican obstructionism

but ... please show the desperation of taking words out of context and spinning them.

Such an "authentic" campaign it is!

[jillan]

22. Then why didn't he say that instead of putting his foot in his mouth?

[cosmicone]

23. If he had known people on DU would twist his words

in desperation .......

[jillan]

25. Twist his words? The video is right there. He is speaking for himself. Nobody is twisting his words.

[UglyGreed]

38. Hillary will come to many

agreements with the Republicans, that is why I worry...........

[cosmicone]

43. And Bernie wouldn't if elected?

Or will he have a 61 member senate democratic contingent and 220 house democrats so he won't have to make any agreements?

[UglyGreed]

99. Hillary will be

saying if elected..... I'm a right center POTUS who will bend to what the Republicans want......it's true it's true!!!!!

[cosmicone]

107. That belief is called "echo chamber toxicity" n/t

[UglyGreed]

108. No it's constant

with Hillary and her true nature....being a Centrist or Republican lite as some may say. She even said it herself, this was before Bernie was a threat of course.

[kcjohn1]

29. He is not talking about GOP Obstruction

“But if you believe we can all rise together, if you believe we’ve finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the seven years before that when we were practicing trickle-down economics and no regulation in Washington, which is what caused the crash, then you should vote for her,” Clinton concluded.

Direct comparison between Bush years and Obama years. What obstructionlism is he talking about during the Bush years? Makes no sense.

Clinton is now running her general strategy where she is going to pivot "center" and try to get "moderate" voters by appealing to 90s, and how we had bipartisanship, and she wants to put the divisive years of Obama behind us.

[nichomachus]

31. No regulation in Washington

You mean like Glass-Steagal which you trash-canned and your wife says she won't restore? Those type of lack of regulations?

I think Bill is losing it.

[NWCorona]

34. That's my take as well

He's talking about economic policy. Obama's. Have you noticed that lately Hillary and Bill have been pushing the economic gains during Bill's administration. Just prior to this clip he talks about everyone rising for the first time since the 90's

[marions ghost]

35. They're desperate if they're going to run on the 90"s

Like how the Bushites ran on the Happy Daze of the 80's

But it was a completely different economy back in the 90's...

How do they think they're going to capitalize on that kind of nostalgia, after many lost so badly?

[Mnpaul]

55. I think some actually believe

that electing Hillary will bring the 90's back. It won't.

[marions ghost]

56. Do you have any idea why

--I'd like to have some sort of rebuttal to it. Problem is I can hardly understand thinking that way.

Is it based on nostalgia and wishful thinking, or some obscure fact I am missing?

[Mnpaul]

58. I think they tie the prosperity to Clinton

When in reality, it was the internet.

[marions ghost]

96. Excellent point

people don't really want to go back to those times and really evaluate it.

[global1]

70. Best Of Both Worlds.....

embrace Obama when necessary and then criticize him when necessary. I guess you can have it both ways.

[liberal_at_heart]

102. Is he seriously trying to say he is against trickle down economics and deregulation?

[nichomachus]

30. What we really need then

Is to have one or more Hillary supporters stand next to Bill -- pretty much like sign-language interpreters -- and tell us what he's really saying when he talks. Otherwise, we might have to take his words at face value.

[GreenPartyVoter]

50. There's a thought!

[GreatGazoo]

37. He IS losing it. He says "the last 8 years" and then "the 7 years before that"

His implied trashing of Obama aside, he should have said "last 7 years and the 8 before that."

He kind of seems to catch it with the '7 years thing' added on but he still has the year spans backwards and does not correct himself.

[jillan]

39. That's all I am saying. It's obvious what he meant. It wasn't that he said it, it is that he didn't

correct himself, laugh at his gaffe - he had no clue. He should have realized it when he continued with the 7 years before that.

That was two gaffes in one. And he didn't catch either of them.

We all say stupid stuff, but usually we catch ourselves or see the expression of the person(s) to we are speaking to stop and say - what did I just say?

Nothing, nada, he just kept on talking.

[GreatGazoo]

46. Eight years ago is when the Clintons lost to Obama

and some blame went to Bill:

Her campaign took far too long to correct its early mis-steps. Confronted with Obama's megawatt charisma, she wheeled out her campaign's resident rock star: Bill Clinton. But the spectacle of the former president, white-haired and red-faced, ripping into his wife's opponent dredged up memories of scandal and invective - a living example of the "old politics" Obama had promised to end.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jun/04/hillaryclinton.uselections20084

He said "eight years" which seems of course like a slip but I can't read his mind. Maybe the "disaster" for him was waiting 8 additional years to get back to the WH.

[Jenny_92808]

41. you know them by their record.

Big fail, Bill! And you should know better than to slam Obama after everything Hillary has said praising him (for the black vote).

[DemocraticWing]

44. I honestly don't know what the hell he was trying to say. He's not paying attention to his own words

The amount of time don't add up "8 years...7 years before that..." what is he talking about?

Don't tell me it's "republican obstructionism" because that doesn't even fit with those dates, and moreover, how are Republicans obstructing Obama and "awful legacy" when their obstruction of him (and Hillary's presidency if it happens) something different? She's a changemaker but Obama isn't? And who the fuck were the Republicans obstructing in the "7 years before that?"

I think he got confused and just babbled out some words he didn't think about. I hope so.

[reddread]

45. doublespeak dog whistle

they never miss a chance to pander to the diversity challenged crowd, in some deniable manner.
which is why they came out of the gate charging/inferring/hyping racism elsewhere.
such simple measures, is anyone fooled?
dumb as Ive seen some people to be, how stupid do you have to be?
seriously.
there has to be a number.

[kenn3d]

49. I don't like that this clip was published by The GOP WarRoom...

But Bill is losing it.

When you speak of the "legacy of the last 8 years" ... you're speaking about Presidential legacy, not Congressional legacy. And then conflating (or blending) that into the Bush legacy makes that meaning all the more clear.

I also don't like his deflection of the "no regulation in Washington... which is what caused the crash". HE was responsible for that. She helped him with all that deregulation, and WallSt is still ever so grateful to them both.

But I believe that despite his being prone to gaffes, there will be a gradual tendency to divorce Hillary from Obama anyway, as she lurches evermore right-ward toward the GE. They believe the nomination is secure and they really don't have to wrap her in Barack's lovin' arms so much now.

We'll see.

[procon]

52. I saw that source too.

Why is anyone using rightwing sources to trash Democrats? And it sounds like something taken out of context from the 2008 election.

Rightwing blogger Jim Hoft runs the GOP War Room, a guy that Media Matters named the Dumbest Man on the Internet for his record of dishonesty and incompetence... the bad photoslopping is a hint, yeah? Yet someone on DU is searching through the Internet for anti-Hillary stuff on Republican websites to C&P on DU.

[muntrv]

51. I thought you were talking about Billy Bob Thornton.

[marions ghost]

57. The Clintons don't get along all that well with Obama

do they? Beyond playing nice in public.

[Lucinda]

59. Nonsense. n/t

[snowy owl]

62. How do you know?

[Lucinda]

64. Read this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-and-clinton-the-60-minutes-interview/

[marions ghost]

63. Your evidence?

I think there's no love lost.

[Lucinda]

66. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-and-clinton-the-60-minutes-interview/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-and-clinton-the-60-minutes-interview/

[marions ghost]

68. ok thank you

This from 2013 is a pretty good example of well=orchestrated political kabuki. They had to get along at that point. Still, not surprised at Bill's slight, I doubt it went unnoticed.

[senz]

73. They were so uncomfortable and brittle in that interview.

[Lucinda]

94. It's not theatre...find and watch the video.

And there was no slight. More orchestrated vid clip pot stirring. Bill was talking about congressional obstruction.

[marions ghost]

95. Thank you but

I watched the video. He was clearly making a comparison with the current presidency and his presidency. I think it was a slip. He did not make reference to congressional obstruction in the clip--if he had it would STILL cast Obama in a bad light. Repeat--he lumped Obama in with Dubya.
You have got to see the truth of that.

So I think the Clintons should do some damage control--clarify this themselves. It's very embarassing. I think they think THEY can do MUCH better than Obama. And that was the intended meaning.

Is there a link to the whole speech anywhere? Never mind, that would be edited by now anyway.

IMO only the Clintons can attempt to walk this back. Supporters can't do much. Pundits can't do much. Bill Clinton will need to clarify (ie. spin) it.

[senz]

72. Exactly

but Hill supporters don't want Democrats to know that.

[me b zola]

60. I think this is team Clinton pivoting to the general

This is where she will attack all things liberal to appeal to the republicans (who would never vote for a Clinton).

[snowy owl]

61. Several stories out about Bill's unusual behavior

Do we have another former Prez who is losing it? Or did he never forgive Obama for defeating Hillary?

[libdem4life]

67. I'm guessing both, and he's high on getting back into the White House...

pretty much unrestrained, not much to do, wife always gone...what could go wrong. A leopard can not change its spots.

[kenn3d]

69. Either way or both

Seems to me he's verging on incoherent in many of his public appearances lately.

It's a potentially serious liability to her campaign, and perhaps could become an even more fearful liability in the WH should he become the First Dude. Face it, if she's elected we're gonna have a dual-presidency... (again).

[senz]

71. Bill's not keeping up the Clinton campaign theme of Hill - Obama alliance.

He and Hill probably talk that way all the time in private.

[marions ghost]

82. Yeah that's my take on it

--the real story is behind the scenes. Babblin' Billy can't quite contain himself.

The Clintons are so arrogant. So competitive and grasping.

Of course Obama has to put up with a lot of people like that. Doesn't mean he likes them.

I'm sure there's fallout from her time as SOS, not to mention their previous rivalry as candidates.
I doubt the Obamas would be applauding her current run for president, even though they might concur on some political positions.

Not hard to tell a relationship of convenience.

----------------
This is relevant--Posted by Peace Patriot in GDP:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1251&pid=1548751

"People are getting better informed about her, and the more they find out, the less they like her: her corruption of the Sec of State's office with pay-to-play at the Clinton Foundation, her use of her own email server for those transactions as well as getting classified info from a man with no security clearance whom Obama had banned from the administration--Sydney Blumenthal; her use of Henry Kissinger as an adviser, for godssakes, AND Robert (chief neocon) Kagan! (want wars much? Jeez!); her waffling on all major issues (now she's for the TPP and says it's the "gold standard" of trade agreements, now she's against it, sort of, etc.). Not trustworthy. Not honest. Sent her own daughter out in the media to lie about Sanders' health care plan. $200,000+ speeches to Goldman Sachs, of all the scumbags in the world! There are just SO MANY reasons to conclude that she is simply NOT the candidate of the 99% that Democrats are supposed to be (and have been historically)."

[senz]

97. Very insightful. Thanks too for the link. Yes, well said.

All of what you write and what PP wrote match my observations of the Clinton-Obama relationship. It's good to know that others see the situation exactly as I do.

Obama is not free to say what he thinks of Hill. Clearly, political deals have been made. Certainly the Clintons have put pressure on Obama ever since he won the presidency.

Here's something I want to share:

After the killing of bin Laden, there was film footage of the celebration within the Capitol (or wherever it was that they watched the raid) with President Obama walking through the assembled group of people thanking and congratulating them. His body language was good with everyone except Hill. When he approached Hillary, the camera showed her face and she looked extremely hurt and angry with her mouth in a pout and a very dark expression in her eyes. He didn't shake her hand or touch her at all; he just said, in a very rote way, something like, "Thank you, State Department," and went past her. I was stunned; this was proof of the strained relationship between the two -- and also raised questions about what happened with the raid. I thought about it a lot afterwards

A few months ago I searched for the footage and found it -- except the part where Obama approaches Hill had been altered: it showed the back of a blonde woman wearing the same clothes that Hill had been wearing but the hair looked different from Hill's hair, and it showed Obama hugging her, all from the back of her head. I swear, it looked like the footage had been altered.

So I just wanted to tell someone about it. Maybe some time I'll research more extensively, or maybe some genius reading this could do it better.

[marions ghost]

98. I am 100% sure

that pix have been altered, text has been "refreshed," things have been fixed. It's so easy to wipe the e-slates. And the Clinton machine would have every motivation to make sure it's done. People don't want to see the implications.

Those "coattails" hmmmmmm--I think the only coattails they want to ride are their own. Carefully distancing from the "awful" Obama legacy. Nice. They don't need him any more except to hand over the keys they think. And send roses for Hillary's final victory.

I swear Bill sounds like a loon in this clip--maybe it's good that lots of people are viewing it.

"Thank you State Department" -- you weren't supposed to see that, or remember it Good catch senz. You seem like a good researcher to me. New media has a lot of very interesting ways to thwart Truth.

[lovemydog]

74. I disagree that he insulted the Obama administration.

He was making the case for Hillary being someone who is a genuine change-maker. Meaning that he was promoting her ability to work with both sides of the aisle to effect real change. Both Clinton's strongly supported President Obama by campaigning for him and praising his= accomplishments and working toward those accomplishments and assisting him when he requested. I wish we had more leftists and progressives and democrats who can be team players like they are because that is how we really improve our country.

Yes, he probably should have said 'the last eight years of republican obstructionism.' He didn't. I don't know if he's 'losing it.' Or if he just made a mistake as all people do from time to time. It's very clear from everything else he has ever said in his entire adult life that he would not call Obama's legacy 'awful.' He would call the republican obstructionism during

I wish self-described Sanders supporters wouldn't fall so easily for right wing memes like the video that you posted. It makes them look right wing or dishonest or ignorant. It reflects poorly on the candidate they claim to support. It also looks like they hate Clinton more than they care about helping keep our country from drifting further right wing by preventing republicans from gaining the presidency.

[Bread and Circus]

75. I am so tired of Bill Clinton's bullshit... the whole video is nothing but sloganeering bullshit.

2 Minutes of Bernie > 2 hours of Bill Clinton when it comes to substance.

[Binkie The Clown]

78. He said X, followed by HRC supporters explaining that he didn't really say X.

When what he said needs to be explained, interpreted, excused, spun, re-framed,... then clearly the HRC supporters don't like what he actually said one bit, so they have to twist it into something other than exactly what he said.

[desmiller]

79. Hillary supporters, in this case, the only person with a legacy is Obama himself.

This is absolutely inexcusable. You all cannot defend the indefensible. This man is really talking about the man whom your candidate constantly mentions every time she speaks. If you support Obama, then you should offended by this. It's like back to square one when Obama was running for the position he's in now.

[Major Hogwash]

80. It's bizarre.

He's not even interesting anymore.
It's just more garbage about how him and his wife are so terrific, and why don't we all know that already bullshit.

[Kalidurga]

81. I don't know what he meant by all that.

And I don't care. All I want to say on that issue is he has been at this long enough that he should know how what he said would be taken. Yet, he said it anyway. I can only conclude he actually did mean to be insulting he just wanted to build in plausible deniability.

[synergie]

83. No, he didn't. The fact that your video is from the GOP war room with a GOP icon on it, should have

been your first clue that you were indeed being ratfucked. Many BS supporters seem to be too busy hearing whatever they wish to hear, and crowing about it, to bother checking their sources, some have taken up editing on their own, and still ended up failing badly.

If your only arguments are RW smears, you should realize the precariousness of your position in trying to make a coherent argument against the candidate the keeps beating yours.

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/03/no-bill-clinton-did-not-describe-obama

[leftynyc]

89. Your source

tells everyone here everything they need to know about this pathetically desperate post. The GOP war room. You should hang your head in shame.

[Orsino]

90. Context, people, context.

That's not what was meant.

[lunamagica]

101. Billy Bob? What's with the disrespect to out Democratic President on a Democratic discussion board?

I have avoided calling your candidate "BS" out of respect. I always call him Sanders, or SBS. But maybe I'll call him BS from now on

[tabasco]

103. Bill Clinton ain't no god, and if he was,

he'd be a figment of somebody's imagination.

[lunamagica]

104. Then I guess it's OK to call your candidate BS

[tabasco]

112. Friendo, you can do whatever you damn well please.

You just have at it.

[Betty Karlson]

105. His wife should certainly lose something... eom

[MrMickeysMom]

110. He appears tired and confused about the administration I think he meant...

Plus, he left out some bad shit from his own eight years that I wished had never been passed, in addition to the over-blown fall out after lying about who he was fooling around with.