6 Key Issues Where Trump Neutralizes Hillary or Runs to Her Left

[Ferd Berfel]

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/6-key-issues-where-trump-neutralizes-hillary-or-runs-her-left

Some experts think Hillary could be in trouble against Trump, who goes left and right simultaneously.

President Obama has repeatedly said there’s no way Americans would elect Donald Trump president. But Democrats don’t have to think back very far to dismaying GOP victories where they were left asking, what happened? There was George W. Bush in Ohio in 2004, in Florida in 2000 and Ronald Reagan in 1980.

Trump’s continuing path toward the 2016 GOP nomination has already confounded the pundits, political junkies and oft-quoted scholars. Before last week when he won big in Florida, Illinois and North Carolina, the Nation’s William Greider wrote, “The Democratic Party could find itself obliterated by this election" and offered "a sequence of events I find plausible.” He started with Trump getting the nomination, Bernie Sanders retiring “gracefully so he will not be labeled a spoiler,” and then Trump doing something not seen in a long time: taking hard-right and hard-left positions.

“Then, in the fall campaign, Trump changes his style and launches a ferocious and substantive assault on [Hillary] Clinton, with devastating effect. He does this essentially by taking over Sanders' economic agenda. He denounces HRC as a tool of wealthy plutocrats and speaks for working-class discontents, much as he has done in the primary season,” wrote Grieder. “Imagine a campaign that merges Bernie’s straight-talk values with traditional Republican values.”

(snip)

1. The Anti-Free Trader.
(snip)
2. Cutting America’s Military Budget.
(snip)
3. Rejecting Big Money Political Corruption.
(snip)
4. Preserving Social Security and Medicare.
(snip)
5. Lowering Seniors’ Prescription Drug Costs.
(snip)
6. Breaking Health Insurance Monopolies.
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Clinton looses on these 6 issues. Even if she attempts to triangulate or 'evolve' on these, not many will believe her.

What will Hillary do when Trump offers the above agenda to Democrats and his racist xenophobic to his right wing supporters?

Here's one "what if":

Your choice Democrats (White people), is you get to have the agenda of 6 above, which is LEFT of Clinton, if you're willing to throw non-whites under the bus. This will be a tough choice for some. Let's see, shut down free trade and bring jobs back, Keep my social security and medicare even expand them, cheaper medication, if I am willing to ignore the racism and xenophobia.

Trump cannot get LEFT of Bernie Sanders on anything.

[vi5]

1. This is what happens when you take unions for granted....

This stuff should be no brainers for any Democrat worth his salt. But since we've taken a "Who else are you going to vote for?!?!?" approach to helping maintain the strength of organized labor in this country, here we are with a huge opening for someone like Trump to feed into all of these issues (most of which fall to some degree into the labor end of things).

[seaglass]

2. You might want to read this:

Who are we purging?

Nobody. However, if we see anyone puffing up Trump they will have to go do it someplace else.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1013&pid=5098

[Jackie Wilson Said]

5. The agenda for some is to get whoever the GOP is elected and very

clever ways will be gone about to promote that here on Democratic Underground.

Anyone who is not a republican in disguise will immediately expose these efforts as you just did.

[RiverLover]

6. This isn't puffing up Trump. Its the truth. Its why Hillary will lose & people should vote

for Bernie. Bernie is genuinely LEFT of Trump, unlike Clinton.

Clinton is a conservative interloper. A stink bomb into Liberals.

[geek tragedy]

37. No, it's only truth for Trump Humpers pretending to be Sanders supporters

Actual Sander supporters understand that a vote for Donald Trump is not a vote to protect Social Security or reform our health care system.

[Scuba]

43. RiverLover is correct, and burying one's head in the sand won't change that.

[Lizzie Poppet]

7. Oh, noez!!!11!

But yeah, that poster may well get banninated. Totally shocked I wasn't, after some effective alert swarming got me two hides in a ten minute period (thus automatically triggering a suspension-for-review). But I'm just a Bernie supporter...not someone who'll post pro-Trump stuff.

Not at all sure the OP actuary qualifies, though. Pointing out possible areas in which Trump might successfully position himself to the left of Hillary is a genuine concern...something she has to be ready for. If Trump pulled that off, it would be yet another problem in securing enough of the independent moderate vote (which will be critical in swing states).

[seaglass]

10. I'm not the person who decides who gets banned or not, who is pumping up Trump or not. I don't

know the OP and maybe s/he doesn't care if s/he gets banned. Just thought the poster should know.

[Lizzie Poppet]

12. Not sure why you thought you needed to tell me that, but okie-dokie. (nm)

[geek tragedy]

27. no one but Trump Humping trolls are claiming Trump is to Clinton's left on health care

and Social Security/Medicare.

[Scuba]

64. Trump Humping trolls?

http://truthinmedia.com/trump-obamacare-government-universal-healthcare/

Trump Proposes Replacing Obamacare with Government-Funded Universal Healthcare

Donald Trump said on 60 Minutes last Sunday that he would, as president, work to repeal Obamacare and replace it with a government-funded universal healthcare program.

...

Trump began explaining, “There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, ‘No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private.’ But…”

Pelley then interrupted, noting that Trump was describing a universal healthcare plan.

Trump continued, “I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”

[PeaceNikki]

66. Ben Swann was a massive Ron Paul humper. I don't buy shit he sells.

[Scuba]

75. The point is Trump can run to the left of Hillary on healthcare and there's video to back him up.

Disclaimer: I live in a purple state and will vote for the Democratic Party nominee.

[PeaceNikki]

78. I know, we live in the same purple state - we were gonna meet up at convention.

[Scuba]

91. Yeah, I put that in for the jury, not you Nikki.

[Ferd Berfel]

9. Cheap SHot

No one is pumping up Drumpf !

This is about how to handle a potential game plan that would be devastating to Clinton - if she gets that far.
It's really stupid to ignore this or sweep it under the rug

[seaglass]

13. Go with that. n/t

[artislife]

70. But is this true?

Can we discuss?

I would love to break up the stranglehold Medical Insurance has on this country. One way would be to make them non-profit, another way would be to have someone else make the rules of what they can reimburse at, deny and open enrollment dates etc. Or just get rid of them...

I worked as a biller for a chiropractor and the Insurance companies suck. They suck.

[BillZBubb]

81. Oh no! The Hillary fanatics are threatening a purge!

I guess we'll just fall in line and shut up. Or NOT!

[seaglass]

84. The sky is falling! The sky is falling! n/t

[Thinkingabout]

3. One issue where both Sanders and Trump are to the right of Hillary is gun control.

Sanders supports defense spending, Trump wants to build the biggest military so the two would be able to work together.

[Lizzie Poppet]

8. Nonsense. The sole significant difference between Clinton and Sanders on gun control...

...is on gun manufacturer liability (for suits unrelated to product defects). And Bernie's clearly correct on that one...

As far as defense spending goes, Hillary's the proven warmonger, Bernie's the proven peacenik. No contest on that one.

[Thinkingabout]

14. Yes, there is a difference in Hillary and Sanders on gun control, Sanders is on the right with Trump

[Lizzie Poppet]

16. Absurd.

Sanders has a D- rating from the NRA. How's that foot taste?

[Thinkingabout]

18. Hillary has an F from NRA, how did Sanders score a D?

[Lizzie Poppet]

23. (D-) Because of his (correct and democratic) vote on liability.

I'm absolutely fine on that. Nuisance lawsuits as a dodge past the inability to get what one wants via the democratic process deserve to be legislated against. Clinton and Sanders have identical records besides that item. To imply that he's closer to Trump than to his opponent on gun control is a blatent lie.

[NuclearDem]

30. "Nuisance lawsuits as a dodge past the inability to get what one wants via the democratic process"

Oh, the irony.

[Lizzie Poppet]

34. Feel free to explain that one.

[geek tragedy]

40. so you're claiming the Sandy Hook parents are launching a nuisance lawsuit? nt

[NuclearDem]

42. I'm talking about Bernie Sanders' and/or Bernie Sanders supporters'

habit of crying election fraud and baselessly suing everyone and everything in sight to get a state's popular vote overturned.

[Lizzie Poppet]

47. Given that I've never done that, posting assertion to me is odd.

Unless you're of the "collective guilt" persuasion, and then I see no reason to take your assessments seriously.

[Thinkingabout]

68. I am not fine with average of 80 people dying daily from gun violence.

Are you saying Trump is for gun control?

[Lizzie Poppet]

69. Nor am I. But that has nothing to do with any difference between Bernie and Hillary on gun control.

Once again, since I seem to be struggling to get this across to you, only their position on prohibiting nuisance lawsuits assets them apart on gun control. That measure to prevent these anti-democratic suits, even if it weren't the correct decision, doesn't in any demonstrable way affect that figure.

[Thinkingabout]

73. Voting against the Brady Bill five times is a failure for me to change my mind

On Bernie on gun control, any rating but a F does not make the case.

[Ferd Berfel]

11. Lame dodge - Now address the issues raised in the article.

Reality Check



Hartmann just went over this on his show. Can't noodle through it here?

[Ferd Berfel]

24. He dosen't have to prove it, he just has to say it.

Talk is cheap

That's pretty much the way it works these days on both sides.

I don't trust Hillary either.

[geek tragedy]

29. People who care about those issues will all vote for Hillary just like people who want

to deport every Mexican on US soil will vote for Trump.

[revbones]

41. Anyone stupid enough to claim that Hillary will

Should probably re-evaluate their life as well. She is on the take for Wall St, she won't champion health reform because she has big money pharma donors, and she's explicitly stated a willingness to compromise on Social Security (raising retirement age) and abortion (reducing time allowed).




For jury members and Hilary supporters stuck in alert mode:
The Terms of Service clearly state "But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect."

[geek tragedy]

46. anyone who thinks Trump will be as good or better than Clinton

on Social Security, Medicare, and health care is either a Trump Humping Troll or so stupid they need instructions on how to breathe.

And, Clinton is promoting the public option as part of her agenda. Get back to us when your boy Donald is doing the same/.

[highprincipleswork]

82. Let's have some proportion. If gun control is your key issue, there is some point to be made here...

However, if gun control is NOT your key issue, as it is not mine and I suspect many others, then there is not that substantial difference between Bernie and Hillary that it would cause me to change my vote.

Having a Republican who effectively runs to the Left of Hillary, with some history to back that up, well, that I find really troubling and kind of a political coalition-bending game-changer, as horrific as so much about him truly is.

[Thinkingabout]

85. Having a DNC candidate running right on an issue of which on

Average 80 people a day are dying, yes it is a big issue with me. When those possessing a gun thinks it is ok to go into schools and kill innocent people, when they go to theaters, shopping centers, places of worship, yes it is a problem for me. BTW, there are other positions of which I do not agree with Sanders but the gun issue is overwhelming.

[highprincipleswork]

90. If that's your big issue, then I understand. It's not mine, though I think it's horrible.

[trumad]

4. Yawn

[Dem2]

15. OMG!! We must vote for Bernie at once or...

President Drumf!!

[Ferd Berfel]

17. another one - not addressing the article

anyone?

[immoderate]

52. I was thinking along these lines when I came across your post.

Trump is a loose cannon. He might do anything. I have a pretty good idea of what Hillary would do. Trump can out-triangulate her.

What if he says, "I was just kidding about the wall?"

--imm

[Dem2]

62. Lol

Well, at least you're trying.

[Ferd Berfel]

21. SHoot the Messenger? Ignore the issues and they'll go away?

Great. That's a winning plan

[revbones]

45. Gah! The willful ignorance it burns!

Can't you guys just re-read that dang post??? It's not promoting Trump. Are you guys so overly sensitive that anytime Hillary is negatively mentioned in a post with Trump you think it's promoting Trump???

The op is just elaborating on a weakness that she has based on Trump as her opposition. Get over it. Sheesh.



For jury members and Hillary supporters stuck in alert mode over anything :
The Terms of Service clearly state "But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect."

[revbones]

54. Wow, twist words much?

Trump has an opening to run on some issues to Hillary's left. That's all the article was saying, and yes that is a basic fact.

You guys can't take anything negative about Hillary, so you have to spin it as something else to try to beat down the person saying it. It's disgusting how Hillary supporters will contort themselves to try to say something is something its not in order to justify an alert or ban.

You can read into things all you want, but it doesn't make it true. I'm so disgusted with your misrepresentations that I'm actually wincing while reading the ignorance posted.

[geek tragedy]

56. No, it's flatout dishonest. Clinton is running to Trump's left on health care and Social Security.

That is a basic fact.

One that the Team Trump Humping has willfully distorted.

[revbones]

57. Do you know and have links to Trumps positions on those?

I doubt it. We do know that she is against single-payer and for raising the retirement age. That gives an opponent an opening on the left.

That is a basic fact as you say.

You are being "flatout dishonest" as you put it.

[Ferd Berfel]

80. Tx revbones for the clearity

I've never voted for a republican and will never vote for a right winger, Trump included. However, I have at times, not voted in specific categories. It's amazing how fast some people jump the shark over a discussion that doesn't flatter her or points out things she needs to cover.

You are correct, she is vulnerable to being out triangulated by Drumpf, and on the Left. The article is from ALTERNET for godsake, not some right wing rag.

[Electric Monk]

36. Supporting Hillary in the primary is supporting Drumph in the general, because she'll lose to him.

Bernie polls much better against him in the general, over and over.

[geek tragedy]

38. Wishful thinking. Clinton will beat Trump, as every poll and every credible

analyst will tell you.

it's only Bernie fans who can't do math who claim Clinton can't beat Trump.

Just because a sizeable portion of the Hillary Hating crowd here prefers Trump to Clinton does not make it so in the general election.

[brooklynite]

25. When has Trump ever talked about cutting the military budget?

...and how many people do you think will be saying "I think he's a mysoginistic, racist big-mouth, but I really would like to cut costs at the Pentagon?"

[vintx]

39. Don't like clicking links to alternet? Here, I got you a link.

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2016/03/02/trump-is-right-about-defense-spending-and-that-should-scare-you/

[revbones]

49. Probably fewer than

those saying she's corrupt, a liar, and will shift right in the election and beyond.



For jury members:
The Terms of Service clearly state "But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect."

[JackRiddler]

26. Other than that Trump is a lying liar...

problem is, he's very good at it.

[artislife]

71. She's pretty good at it, too. nt

[JackRiddler]

72. She's aiming 10 IQ points higher, however.

This is a handicap. He's got the WWE vote all lined up.

[PeaceNikki]

28. Oooh, look! a Trump puffer-upper!

Your choice Democrats (White people), is you get to have the agenda of 6 above, which is LEFT of Clinton, if you're willing to throw non-whites under the bus. This will be a tough choice for some. Let's see, shut down free trade and bring jobs back, Keep my social security and medicare even expand them, cheaper medication, if I am willing to ignore the racism and xenophobia.

[geek tragedy]

33. yep, crystal clear.

[Snarkoleptic]

32. Thread was alerted by the 'pivot to the general' squad.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The primary isn't over. Give it a rest.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: if it were not for these statements, I would have voted to Leave It. "Your choice Democrats (White people)" "if you're willing to throw non-whites under the bus." Choose your words more wisely.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree. This is trump humping.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There is nothing wrong with this post.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[Snarkoleptic]

50. OK, reset this and read the point of the article...

4. Preserving Social Security and Medicare. As most progressives know, millions of baby boomers approaching their senior years are going to be relying on Social Security for most of their income and for Medicare as their health plan. Progressives also know that Social Security benefits could be cut by a fifth after 2030 because of that demographic bump, and have proposed raising payroll taxes to preserve benefits and increase them. Trump, unlike the other GOP candidates, wants to leave Social Security alone—saying a booming economy will fix the shortfall. While we have heard that before—Reagan’s fake rising tide lifting all boats—Trump's status quo stance is completely at odds with the modern GOP, which wants to up the age when one can start taking Social Security benefits, create new payment formulas, means-test recipients or flat-out privatize it.

Clinton said she wants to preserve Social Security and raise payments to people who need it most—such as widowers, who see cuts after a spouse dies, women and poor people who have historically been underpaid compared to white men. Sanders, in contrast, said benefits must be raised for everyone. Trump’s stance on this issue is far from ideal, but it’s outside the GOP’s mainstream. It’s neither constructive nor destructive, but that tends to neutralize the issue in a fall campaign with Clinton.

Valid point? Perhaps
Trump Humping? NO!

Those anxious to pivot to the general must also look at issues of the general.

[Snarkoleptic]

63. But his position on this leaves little room for contrast, thus the 'neutralization' argument.

This is particulary true when viewing the chasm between Drumpf's (certain to be flip-flopped on) position vs. the mainstream republiClowns who want to privatize of kill the "big three" outright.

Just as Clinton is running to the left with her newfound distaste for TPP (which she previously referred to as "The Gold Standard of Trade Agreements&quot , which was done to prevent Sanders form contrasting his long held position vs. hers.

[vintx]

44. HRCs fans are alleging that *alternet" is trump-humping

This is something deeper than denial.

[PeaceNikki]

53. This statement in the OP definitely is

Your choice Democrats (White people), is you get to have the agenda of 6 above, which is LEFT of Clinton, if you're willing to throw non-whites under the bus. This will be a tough choice for some. Let's see, shut down free trade and bring jobs back, Keep my social security and medicare even expand them, cheaper medication, if I am willing to ignore the racism and xenophobia.

[Onlooker]

48. Gee, I think I'll vote for Trump.

Those Sanders supporters who campaign for Trump are pretty embarrassing to those of us who recognize Trump is a fascist. On every one of those issues, Hillary is actually to the left of Trump. Trump supports a far more active military than Hillary does, and has pledged a massive military build-up. Trump isn't anti-free trade; he's against the current agreement because it basically does not help the wealthy enough. He is all for big money political corruption, and his record proves it. Hillary has already come out for preserving social security and medicare, and she's all for lowering prescription drug costs. Trump is against Obamacare and uses the argument that he's against health insurance monopolies. If you oppose Obamacare and single payer, Trump is a good choice.

Do we really need this kind of bullshit in DemocraticUnderground? These increasingly desperate attacks on Hillary will only serve to help America elect a fascist like Trump.

[Peace Patriot]

58. Trump WILL go left, despite racism, and some will believe him.

While nobody with a brain expects Clinton to STAY left.

Bernie Sanders is the only reliable candidate. What you see is what you get. An honest president. Imagine!

[MisterP]

59. Trump is vain, wily, ruthlessly populist, and wants to win

he'll just go "you say we're xenophobic warmongers, you've repeatedly started wars even south of the border, bragged about deportations, and are the only one in this room who voted for the border wall! your economic team is packed with people who say retirement should be at 70 or 75! you say I hire illegals? your policies have sent millions and millions of jobs overseas! you say I'm a huckster? you've bled hardworking whites dry and come to town with the same carny act! I'm racist? you cheerlead polices that jailed a third of (slur redacted) men and took credit for that as a fall in unemployment! I'm greedy? you're in the payday-lending party! your whole campaign is based on voters not knowing a damn thing you've done!" (give or take some slurs)

Clinton's stood on both sides of the fence for so long there's nothing left of her as a pol, just speeches, neoliberal pie in the sky, and accusations of bigotry against a rock-solid fighter against it back when she was using the same bigotry to pander some more

[pampango]

60. Trump's trade policy sounds like Coolidge and Hoover. That ain't 'left' of anybody.

FDR would assure you of that.

... shut down free trade and bring jobs back ...

Hoover and Coolidge tried that. High tariffs led to little trade. Result: not a return of jobs but an historically high level of income inequality and then a Depression. FDR saw the folly of that trade policy and liberalized trade by reducing tariffs first, then proposing international control of trade - something Mr. Trump is not a big fan of.

2. Cutting America’s Military Budget. That sounds out of sync coming from Trump, who has repeatedly said he wants to rebuild the military and never misses a chance to threaten ISIL.

Here, too, Trump’s positioning could track to the left of Clinton. And unlike Sanders, whose state has an F-35 fighter plane base, Trump has explicitly said that plane was a waste of money. “Like so many Trump plans, the specifics are hazy.

His plans are so 'hazy' that it is hard to give him credit for being 'left' of Hillary or Bernie. As bellicose as he sounds about using the military to impose US' will on foreign countries, it would be unlikely that he could reduce the military budget under such circumstances.

4. Preserving Social Security and Medicare.

Trump’s stance on this issue is far from ideal, but it’s outside the GOP’s mainstream. It’s neither constructive nor destructive, but that tends to neutralize the issue in a fall campaign with Clinton.

Trump is to the left of most republican candidates but he is not left of Hillary and Bernie. The article even states as much.

5. Lowering Seniors’ Prescription Drug Costs.

Here’s another issue where Trump is saying he wants to do what Democrats like Obama, Clinton and Sanders have long called for, but which has been blocked by congressional Republicans.

Again, he is to the left of congressional republicans but not of Hillary and Bernie.

6. Breaking Health Insurance Monopolies

We know that Trump has pledged to get rid of Obamacare and he hasn’t said much about its replacement other than it would involve consumers crossing state lines.

Again, that hardly puts him to the left of the Democratic candidates

Trump cannot get LEFT of Bernie Sanders on anything.

And unlike Sanders, whose state has an F-35 fighter plane base, Trump has explicitly said that plane was a waste of money.

I love Bernie, but Donald is to the left of him on the F-35. I believe Bernie would back away from the F-35 if he becomes president.

[Koinos]

61. This OP and the Alternet article presume that Trump ever means anything he says.

His only belief system is narcissism. What promises did Mussolini make to the Italian people?

Seriously, most thinking people would vote for Clinton against Trump because of Trump's racism and xenophobia alone.

If Trump is nominated, even some staunch Republicans will vote for Clinton, rather than see their party destroyed.

Anyone who believes those six "promises" would be carried out by a "President Trump" is borderline delusional.

I dislike many of Clinton's positions, but any Democrat who gives any credence to Trump has too many problems for me to enumerate.

This OP comes dangerously close to a Trump endorsement or a justification of a vote for Trump. What some might call "extortion" from so-called Sanders supporters is getting tiresome.

Sanders supporters should instead work harder for a massive GOTV effort. They should leave their keyboards, stop bragging about big rallies, and physically get like-minded citizens to the polls.

[Snarkoleptic]

65. "most thinking people would vote for Clinton against Trump"

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The flaw in your argument is thinking Drumpf's hordes of fascist-wannabe's and temporarily-embarrassed-millionaires have critical thinking skills.

[Koinos]

67. He doesn't have hoards.

He hasn't gotten more than 40% of even the Republican votes in this primary. If he becomes the nominee, he will have done it with a plurality and not a majority of votes.

I trust that no more than 40% of Americans of all parties combined are bat-shit insane and racist. Most Americans who vote will vote against him. A ham sandwich would defeat him in the general election.

I don't count Trump followers as thinking Americans, and I certainly don't think they have critical thinking skills. But the majority of Americans are better than that. I have not yet lost all faith in human nature.

[H2O Man]

74. Key points.

Recommended.

[ViseGrip]

76. Most polls show her losing to Trump. Will the party ignore this main issue?

Winning in November?

[Trust Buster]

77. WHY IS DU ALLOWING TRUMP SUPPORTERS TO RUN RAMPANT ON THIS FORUM ?

[BillZBubb]

83. Why are you posting blatant nonsense?

Just because someone sees a scenario where Trump could beat Hillary doesn't make someone a Trump supporter. I see plenty of possible, but not likely, ways that could happen. You would too if you opened your eyes. And the same goes for Bernie if he is the nominee.

[Trust Buster]

86. The OP sings the praises of Trump's detail-free policy positions. This is the Democratic Underground

[BillZBubb]

88. Baloney. The OP suggests a path Trump may take in the general election.

The issue is that Trump is essentially a free agent. He is not tied to republican orthodoxy, so he can tailor his positions to gain more votes. He can go left or right. It is a very real threat to whomever the Democrats nominate.

[Trust Buster]

89. This thread should be locked. It's a Trump propaganda thread.

[BillZBubb]

92. Geez, man, you are in too deep. Your partisan lunacy is showing.

[Trust Buster]

93. My partisan lunacy ? You Sanders supporters are the ones puffing up Trump. DESPERATE.

[highprincipleswork]

79. This is so key. Hillary may not really be the "safe" choice at all!!!!!

[uponit7771]

87. Cause the adults really believe anything that comes out of that assholes mouth? tia