Wow. The FERVOR by which the Hillary Fans Are Calling For Bernie To Drop Out Is Telling

[berni_mccoy]

Camp Weathervane must see what's coming and they'd rather not experience it. So they sent the ground troops out to to launch some scud missiles at social media (including, but not exclusively to DU) with calls for Bernie to drop out.

It's so telling. I remember when Jon Stewart used to highlight how the RNC talking points spread through the media. You can see Hillary's campaign doing the same shit and the percolation of those messages is just as predictable as the lame-ass RNC's.

And to Add: If Hillary's got this all locked up... why the calls for Bernie to drop out? Seriously, either she's got this or she doesn't. Seems like something smelly is blowing in the wind...

[MohRokTah]

1. Please point out the threads calling for Bernie to drop out.

Thanks!

[bkkyosemite]

3. You have got to be kidding!

[MohRokTah]

6. Nope, plese provide links and direct quotes

I have yet to see one of these alleged threads.

Thanks!

[MgtPA]

16. I just read one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511541969

[Jarqui]

19. Is this what you are looking for?

Time for Sanders to Drop Out
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110773527

Democrats to Sanders: Time to wind it down
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141384847

Bernie Sanders Shuts Down Calls for Him to Drop Out—NOT Happening!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511532989

Bernie Sanders should do the right thing for the party he loves and drop out.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511508828

Perils for Bernie staying in.....and why he won't "come back"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511508823

[atomingai]

37. ^^^This

[Ferd Berfel]

111. Someone must be blind or willfully ignorant not to have seen these - and more

[reformist2]

119. Camp Hillary never lets a claim go unchallenged, no matter how badly they have to lie.

[Ferd Berfel]

120. Can you just smell the Rovian essence?

[reformist2]

121. I think it's done to keep low-information voters in a constant state of confusion.

All they hear is the arguing back and forth, and they don't do any research themselves. Then they throw up their hands and say "who knows what the truth is!"

I think the Clinton camp has always known that if you let a charge go unchallenged, that people will assume it's true. Especially if it IS true! That's why lying is so important for them - one single bold lie will keep half your supporters in line.

[Ferd Berfel]

122. True sadly true

[GoneFishin]

133. Yep. Everything is psyops with them. They can never win on policy discussions.

[reddread]

136. I wish to Hell that wasnt true

It is a crime against the process we have.
criminal in any other context.
unAmerican in the utmost within this one.

[Baobab]

176. Thank you.. They also have some way to hide key issues.. People who look for them can't find some po

the most important posts seem to vanish in between server and client.

[Baobab]

175. Bingo- They likely are pros, thats a swiftboating pro technique..

Some frm that starts with a D I think?

[CoffeeCat]

177. Yes, and they demand that others galavant around as their personal assistants

doing the research.

Fricking looking it up yourself.

Notice they have nothing to say, after the links are provided.

[Baobab]

178. they just want to tie people up in wasted efforts.

they have special software and VPNs so one person can look like 50 or 100 sock puppets.

[bigwillq]

134. Kick (nt)

[G_j]

25. what you are saying is,

please waste your time providing links that I can easily find for myself.

[notadmblnd]

62. I've said it before I'll say it again, HRC supporters are lazy

Everything is just too damn hard for them. It's too hard to fight Wall Street. It's too hard to fight to expand medicare. It's too hard to fight for 15 dollar an hour minimum wage. It's too hard to fight for and rebuild our infrastructure, so they just want to keep things the same cause damn it, It's all just too hard.

[arikara]

138. No we can't

it should be their motto.

[Baobab]

179. No thats not it.. this is it...

things like this

[MattSh]

183. It's more than that...

The more time Bernie supporters spend helping Hillary supporters find what right there in plain sight, the less time Bernie supporters have to do the important work of getting Bernie elected.

[Ferd Berfel]

113. I have similiar problems with my republican firends

they always want to be spoon fed the info when it's usually pretty easy to find.

[bkkyosemite]

127. LOL

[OwlinAZ]

141. Some things never change.

[Bluenorthwest]

26. You and Jackie always ask for links then fail to respond when given links. It's noticed.

'I have yet to see one, thanks, emoticon, vanish'.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

40. Yup... *Poof!* ... Gone! No response. Typical. nt

[UglyGreed]

80. I see they have a rec

on one of the threads..........

[ChisolmTrailDem]

38. Now respond to Jarqui, please. nt

[NorthCarolina]

44. Hi, didn't see you respond again, but your answer has been posted.

Check it out and comment.

[Marr]

69. Slinking away from proof you requested makes you look not only wrong, but

disingenuous and intellectually cowardly. You do it a lot.

You could just say, 'thank you for the links. I was wrong', and exit gracefully. Or, even better, stop demanding proof for things that you know are easily proved.

[grasswire]

101. and he works really hard to get people banned. nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

103. By the way, don't be surprised if some of my posts self-destruct like a mission statement on

Mission Impossible. I'll give people long enough to see my response, but then I will probably end up deleting most of my comments because of the alert trolls.

[ashling]

142. Now that several posts (below) have shown conclusively

the existence of such posts, I believe it is your turn to politely acknowledge that they do in fact exist ...


... still waiting ...

I will assume then that your silence is a tacit apology

[HassleCat]

31. Do not respond, please, to these silly requests.

If someone asks for proof that Los Angeles is west of Chicago, I don't think you're obligated to provide a link.

[libdem4life]

165. Good one. n/t

[Karma13612]

123. Lololol! Agree!

[Faux pas]

2. They're not

the boss of Bernie or us. F em!!!

[hack89]

4. The universal consensus seems to be that we have no problem with him staying until the convention.

[monmouth4]

90. I think it's adorable how with Bernie's winning States coming up and his surging delegate numbers,

they want him to drop out. Soooooo cute....LOL.

[hack89]

156. His delegate numbers aren't surging.

that's his problem. He can't win big states by big margins. Hillary can lose every remaining state and still win the nomination by keeping the margins small.

[randome]

5. 'Fervor'? A handful of die-hard Clinton supporters? What's telling is why this bothers you so much.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

[potone]

76. The reason it bothers some of us so much

is that we haven't had the opportunity to vote yet. What is so hard to understand about that? Wouldn't you like to have a choice of candidates in the primary, too? Why is it that Hillary supporters only seem to favor the democratic process when it serves the interest of their candidate? Either you believe that everyone should have a right to have a say in the process or you don't. If you don't, then just say so and stop pretending that the pressure on Bernie to drop out and on his supporters to cave in isn't real and isn't anti-democratic.

[randome]

92. Primaries and caucuses are determined by individual states so unless we have a national primary...

...the process is going to always be lop-sided. Most watchers of this election are not calling for anyone to give up. Some are pointing out that, based on the math, Sanders is really not viable. That just gives those who haven't voted yet more information to consider. No one who votes for Sanders at this point is 'wasting' his or her vote, it could likely influence the convention. But the likelihood of actually expecting Sanders to be the nominee keeps going down.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

[RobinA]

161. Being From PA

I never have the opportunity to vote meaningfully, or for my candidate at all, in a primary. I can either move or resign myself.

That said, I lean Hillary, but couldn't really care how long Bernie stays in. I don't know why anybody does. It's just one of those things people like to argue about instead of actual issues.

[amborin]

7. the nomination is wide open and she's running scared; she knows it's going to be a tough fight and

she can lose

[pdsimdars]

57. Not to mention, IF she wins the primary, she will probably lose the General

[astrophuss42]

8. As if he is doing a disservice to the party

Also love the criticism of where he allocates his funds.

Some buy off oil princes with theirs, but whatever!!

[geek tragedy]

9. he should stay in and run a positive issues-based race

while saving most of his attacks for Trump.

If he tries the "kitchen sink" strategy he'll just get ignored and marginalized.

[Snotcicles]

10. It's like watching a bunch of hedge funds bashing a stock while shorting it. nt

[hrmjustin]

11. Thr ferver in which you post about Hillary's fake email scandal shows me you see Sanders losing.

Btw I don't want him to drop out at the moment.

[tex-wyo-dem]

36. If the email/server scandal inquiry was...

Led by a GOP controlled congressional investigation, then I would tend to agree with you about it being perhaps fake.

But it is being investigated by the FBI with the DOJ undoubtably involved… Thats an entirely different ballgame.

Calling it "fake" is just wishful thinking .

[noiretextatique]

144. the server scandal is her big problem; i believe the poster is conflating the two issues

as some tend to do. if they didn't, they would have to include the President and the FBI in the vast rw conspriracy.

[pdsimdars]

63. Honestly, before saying that old, nonsense talking point about this "email" scandal

you should actually do a little reading up on it as opposed to parroting those talking points.

There have been some excellent posts in these last few days from real experts talking about the facts of this investigation . . and there are some major issues which you apparently aren't interested enough to find out, but are content to repeat this nonsense.

[Fawke Em]

64. Ostrich

[Docreed2003]

181. "Fake email scandal"????

You mean the one where she circumvented the NSA so she could have her own Blckberry? The one where she selectively chose which emails were personal vs business? The one where her own president wasn't aware that she had a private, unsecured sever in her home? That silly email scandal? The one where she instructed staff to remove classification banners prior to sending emails to her? The one where she was communicating with a confidant about classified Intel that the WH had previously refused her to have contact with? Dismiss that as much as you want but the FBI wouldn't be investigating a "fake scandal" if there wasn't merit.

[Arkansas Granny]

12. Gee, I seem to remember Obama supporters calling for Clinton to drop out in 2008 when

she still had a mathematical chance. It's not so comfortable when the shoe is on the other foot, huh.

This is a free country. If he wants to continue his campaign, so be it.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

43. YEA! Because it's ALL ABOUT intra-party retribution! nt

[72DejaVu]

13. None of the Hillary supporters I know much care at this point.

He can drop out, or he can continue fleecing the flock, who cares?

[JoePhilly]

18. + 1

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. "+1"

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. "+1"

[ChisolmTrailDem]

45. So +1 to you you had to post it twice! Glad you got your +1 point across. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. Likely a double post but thanks for the attention...

Do you want to be the president or treasurer of my fan club?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

58. You're weclome. You succeeded...

...you got the attention you sought.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

65. I got the attention I sought by my engineering a computer glitch which caused a double post.

I do seem to have you mesmerized though.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

66. Oh, that's funny since that double-posting glitch ended with the implementation of DU3. Used to...

...happen to me on occasion. Since DU3, not once. Glad it's in your machine now and not mine.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. Au contraire...

I keep getting messages that my post didn't go through when it did. Ditto, for when I send a Private Message.


Wow-I just got one now:

Your post was unsuccessful because the software was unable to verify the validity of the request.

It is possible this happened because your post was submitted twice. Please check and see if your post was successfully added before proceeding below to send a bug report (please note if you use your browser's back button to check if your post was successful you will need to click "Refresh" on your browser). If your post was submitted twice and went through successfully the first time, that is why you are seeing this message. There is no need to report this as it is not a bug.

If your post was not successful (please go and check the thread/forum for your post to verify), you can help us identify the issue and improve the software in the future by sending Elad a private message with details about your attempted post:

Hopefully this will put to bed the canard that I intentionally double post.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

77. Like I said, I'm glad the ghost is in your machine and not mine. Nothing like that has happened...

...to me in so long I can't remember. Which is a testament to the coding skills of the admin gang.

[tex-wyo-dem]

42. "Fleecing the flock" is bullshit...

By staying in the race, Bernie is forcing Clinton to track left. If he were to drop out, Hillary's weathervane would snap to the right so fast it would make your head spin.

[Vinca]

14. They'll be sorry when he's gone.

Hillary will suddenly become enemy #1 and the focus of all negative network coverage during their non-Trump segments. Bernie's creating a buffer zone, but they don't seem to get that.

[taught_me_patience]

15. He needs to call off the dogs

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And run a positive campaign. Save the negativity for trump.

[ebayfool]

99. WTH? He HAS ran a positive campaign. To the point that it's frustrating at times!

Clinton - not so much. You think Trump in the general is gonna handle her with kid gloves? Pointing out her weaknesses and deficiencies is not going negative, it's called campaigning. She has no right to have the nomination just handed to her without a damned fight!

Her supporters say she's tough, and I agree - she is that. She better be, if she gets the nom. Her supporters can't have it both ways - don't be mean to hillary that's not fair and she's tough enough to handle the job. Pick one. And stay with it.

Obama went after her a helluva lot harder than Sanders has to date. The negativity for Trump will come AFTER the primary, which is ongoing whether the Clinton camp likes to acknowledge or not.

It ain't done, yet.

[shawn703]

110. Pointing out the differences between yourself and an opponent

Is now considered going negative. What a joke.

[JoePhilly]

17. Where is all this fervor you speak of?

I don't see it.

Bernie should stay in as long as he wants.

And then endorse Hillary at the convention when he loses.

[Fawke Em]

67. At which point, nearly half the party exits...

And you're not making that up in Independents.

Hell, I just heard on Thom Hartmann's show that 46,000 Democrats have re-registered as Republicans to vote for Trump in Pennsylvania.

You should be concerned.

[R B Garr]

95. Thom Hartman should be concerned that he's stuck on Russian TV.

There's gotta be a reason for that. Wonder what it is.....hmmm.

[Mnpaul]

143. The reason is simple

He is not interested in spouting corporate propaganda 24/7.

[R B Garr]

146. lol, the reason is that he's into conspiracy theories, so he's not credible.

All his talking points are for a niche audience.

[Mnpaul]

147. Yeah, all the networks being owned by a few companies

is just a conspiracy theory. Continue with your head in the sand, pretend it doesn't exist. Question nothing and do as you're told.

[R B Garr]

148. This is pretty much all Thom Hartmann talks about. All his talking points are pre-packaged and

sold like you're doing. His show is for a closed audience. Enjoy, but he has a limited audience because he has a limited message, so he's on a marginalized channel because that's a niche audience.

[Mnpaul]

149. His show is for a closed audience?

He is usually at the top of the pile when it comes to ratings on his radio show.

His show is open to anyone and that includes conservatives. He often has conservatives like Gingrich on the show to argue the issues. He takes calls from RW think tanks and crushes people like Podhoritz when they spout their silly crap.

It is just the opposite of closed. I think all that free thinking must have you confused. Continue to watch the channels that tell you what you want to hear. I prefer someone who actually discusses the issues without any censorship from the owners.

[R B Garr]

150. Yes, and you continue with Thom spoon feeding

you all those inane conspiracy theories. Russian TV pretty much tells you it's a limited audience. LOL!

[Mnpaul]

151. And once again you avoid reality

What is it with the Clinton supporters and not discussing issues. All you people do is call names, post smileys and label any inconvenient truths "conspiracy theories".

[R B Garr]

152. You started with the Berniebro attitude, which is

seen in the numbered posts. Now you continue to offer nothing more but lame insults and pretend they are "issues". LOL!

And the "reality" is that Russian TV is laughable. So much for your "reality".

[Mnpaul]

153. Again with the names

and smileys. Nothing to offer, as usual, from team Clinton.

[R B Garr]

155. Russian TV.

LOL

[Mnpaul]

157. RT America based in Washington DC

Can I expect any meaningful discussion from you anytime soon?

[R B Garr]

158. Not into conspiracy theories on Russian TV.

I said that already.

[Mnpaul]

159. I didn't expect any real answer

because you are unable to do so. You are beginning to sound like the Republicans and Fox News. By your reasoning, they must be the best due to their ratings. Silly logic.

[R B Garr]

160. Not into silly conspiracy theories on Russian TV.

Most people aren't.

[Mnpaul]

162. also not into discussing issues

It is just easier to label them silly conspiracy theories. It is easier than facing reality.

[R B Garr]

163. Actually, it's more that I'm not into being badgered

about silly conspiracy theories by CT's with superiority complexes.

Suffice it to say that RT is a joke.

[Mnpaul]

164. Yeah, I know it is easier to dismiss it than face it

and you are the one who thinks "their news" is somehow superior. Just like the Foxbots and their drivel. Yawn.

[R B Garr]

166. Not many people waste their time watching conspiracy

theorists debate "issues" on Russian TV. I certainly wouldn't have a superiority complex from watching Russian TV.

[Mnpaul]

167. I know you have a superiority complex

from watching spoon fed corporate propaganda that tells you want you want to hear. Just like the Republicans, you equate viewership with quality and it's silly. It is obvious from this exchange. You can't address facts so you dismiss them as conspiracy theories. You probably can't even list one of your so called "conspiracy theory" discussed on his show.

[R B Garr]

168. How typical of a conspiracy theorist to suggest that

your opinion of Russian TV is now a "fact" It's just an opinion.

The Hartmann conspiracy theories support your niche world view. RUSSIAN TV is for a niche audience. This is now boring and redundant.

And this is exactly why conspiracy theories are so laughable. How typical of a conspiracy theorist to bring up Fox News and Republicans because in your simple, niche world view, you are insinuating I must be a RWer if I don't watch conspiracy theories on Russian TV. HILARIOUS.

[Mnpaul]

169. Of course you couldn't provide an example

and you continue with your "superior" nothing burger. And add in a strawman argument. I did not accuse you of being a RWer. That is a lie. I said "just like the Republicans, you equate viewership with quality and that is silly". You can't be honest about anything. I can see why you support Hillary.

[R B Garr]

170. You just can't help yourself with these silly conspiracy theories. It's a waste of time

to talk about silly conspiracy theories from Russian TV. This is boring and redundant. Russian TV says it all. Of course I said this many times already.

[Mnpaul]

171. You just can't prove any of your claims

and have to resort strawman arguments and empty rhetoric.

Still waiting for the conspiracy theory discussed on Thom's show. For someone obsessed with them, you would think that you would able to point out just one.

Or maybe you just like typing that word for some reason. You continue to prove my point. I fail to understand why someone goes on a discussion board to avoid discussion.

[R B Garr]

172. Just look at your first response in this thread and it's clear how much you are into

conspiracies. Look at what you call "facts." All opinions, but in your simple world view, they are "facts." That was your excuse to engage me. Look at how much you have conjured up just in this thread. It's hilarious.

What a waste of time to argue with a conspiracy theorist about their made-up "facts".

[Mnpaul]

180. I stand by my post

how many of your so called superior networks are covering the TPP?

how many of your so called superior networks are allowing callers to question a sitting Senator?

how many of your so called superior networks are covering the issues Thom deals with on a daily basis?


Look what you have you have conjured up in this thread:

a strawman argument

out right lies

you said conspiracy theory many times without actually pointing one out

and of course smileys

[disillusioned73]

185. That..

was a strange convo - Just walk away... it seems there is an agenda there.. Thom Hartmann a "conspiracy theorist"?? lol - that must be one of those keep saying it over & over until it takes??? Weird..

I commend you..

[R B Garr]

187. Walking away is exactly what he should have done, but then he couldn't have

spread the conspiracy theories Berniebro style. All he posted to me was to attack me. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Russian TV is for a niche audience. That's what I said, and all the insults in the world won't change that.

So just walk away. That would have been nice. Instead he chose to attack me with made up "facts", which is a waste of time. Arguing silly conspiracies from Russian TV is a waste of time. Just Google Thom Hartmann and MSNBC and you'll see just a speck of the inane things he discusses about how MSNBC is out to get Bernie. Look at the message board and all the victimization. LOL.

[R B Garr]

186. Look at your continued conspiracy bullshit. Now you have a complete strawman about "superior"

networks. I never said anything about that. But you meander around with bullshit about Fox and compare me to Republicans and "quality". I never said anything about that, either.

LOL, how ridiculous and self-serving can you get. This is the hallmark of conspiracies. You meander around with your own self-important "issues" and made up "facts" and then unload them as if you have some God-given insight when it's all made up shit.

This is why Russian TV is a joke.

[disillusioned73]

189. I don't understand your "Russian tv"..

narrative, Thom Hartmann has been on American radio for a loooooong time... I didn't realize I've been listening to russian radio I guess..

I guess since he doesn't buy into your candidate - he is some kind of russian propaganda plant?? I don't understand where your going with this......

[R B Garr]

190. This makes no sense. You can't say you don't know that Thom Hartmann is on Russian TV.

This is getting ridiculous and redundant.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. At 9:02 AM PST there was a grand total of one thread telling the Vermont independent to drop out!

[ChisolmTrailDem]

49. You mean the "Vermont independent who's on the Democratic Party ballot in 50 states". You're...

...welcome!

[riderinthestorm]

85. Besides Jarqui's list of OP's there's plenty of individual posts in many threads here

plus here's more OPs

Democrats to Sanders: Time to wind it down
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511541969

Time to give it up Bernie
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511543029

Dem Senators: Wrap it up Bernie!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511543226

[DemocratSinceBirth]

87. !0:35...Two such Threads...

[riderinthestorm]

88. Jarqui's lists 5 threads in post 19. I've added 3 more

plus there's a plethora of individual posts throughout GD and in the HRC group.

I'd say you're wearing selective glasses if you aren't "seeing" them.

[berni_mccoy]

124. Be careful...

That one has a bug in the logic processor. And it gets angry when you point it out.

[cosmicone]

23. Reality .... it is bitter.

However, keep those donations flowing. Tad Devine, Jeff Weaver and others need the 15% cut of all the future ad buys.

[global1]

24. Help Me Here - Isn't In Her Best Interest That Bernie Stays In Till The Convention......

If Hillary supporters are so confident that Hillary has this thing wrapped up - then it seems to me they shouldn't want Bernie to drop out of this race before the convention. Why?

Here's what I think. Bernie staying in this - gives Hillary an opportunity to share her platform with all the rest of the states and get as much exposure to voters that would be having to make the decision to vote between her and whomever the Repugs wind up with as their nominee.

Bernie allows her to have this exposure to half the country. That to me is a positive. If they and she are so confident that she will ultimately wind up as the nominee - they shouldn't have any problem with having her get this exposure. My only conclusion as to why they want Bernie out of this race this early in the process is that they don't have the confidence in their candidate that she can actually win.

The other reason that this should go on until the convention is because as soon as and if Bernie drops out - the Repugs will unleash all their attack dogs, campaign ads and money - to do everything possible to create a negative sentiment in this country against Hillary. Do they want that to happen this early in the process? I would want to minimize the time that the Repugs have to negative campaign against her or any Dem nominee.

Right now the Repugs don't have a nominee. That won't be decided until their brokered (oh - now it's called 'open') convention. So until then we have both Hillary and Bernie campaigning against the Repugs. That's like two against one (actually none) until they have their nominee.

It seems to me the Repugs would love for Bernie to drop out now. That way they can take the attention off of them and their problems and start attacking Hillary.

Hillary supporters and all Dems should be thankful that Bernie is in this until the Dem Convention. There is plenty of time for Party unity and taking on the Repugs once we reach that point.

[djean111]

28. I read elsewhere that it has been suggested by some members of Congress that Bernie stay in the

race, but stop running against Hillary, and run against Trump, to help Hillary out.

Um, no, fuck that.

[jillan]

29. Yes. The minute Bernie drops out is the minute the GOP goes shock and awe

against her. They have their weapon arsenal all ready to launch.

[arcane1]

27. Notice how so many people changed their signature lines at the same time?

All with the same theme too.

[djean111]

35. I have so many on Full Ignore that I have not seen that - what is the sig line?

[arcane1]

39. Variations of "He's done" n/t

[djean111]

41. Reminds me of those "slam books" from, what, seventh grade?

Actually, that whole campaign reminds me of slam books, just nasty little comments and inane giggling.

[marions ghost]

56. That is what this country is reduced to...

slam books is a good analogy.

[pdsimdars]

73. You captured it exactly

[peacebird]

53. "Put a fork in him" - translation for me 'put that fool on full ignore'

[ChisolmTrailDem]

61. I've never put anyone on ignore but then I got 3 bogus hides and got put in time out and now...

...I am putting the whole lot on ignore so I don't have to see and react to their betrayals.

[arcane1]

72. Indeed. DU definitely feels more like a place for adults now, thanks to Ignore. n/t

[pdsimdars]

74. That was P E R F E C T !!!

[coyote]

98. Oh man...

I didn't even notice until you pointed that out...you are right.

[onecaliberal]

30. Fuck everyone who is trying to disenfranchise the largest state in the country. Shame on ALL of you

[dana_b]

174. +1

we will vote - and tough shit if they don't like it!

[upaloopa]

32. What is coming? Arizona will add to Hillary's delegate count

tomorrow


Voting and primaries will continue no matter if Bernie drops out or not. So there is nothing gained by Hillary's campaign if he drops out.

Like most of us here, Hillary has pivoted to the general.

[Trust Buster]

33. I call for Sanders to concede by the end of April.

Note that conceding and dropping out are two different things. I do this for 3 basic reasons.

1) When it is clear that Hillary is the presumptive nominee, it would serve no value to Democrats for Sanders to keep attacking her.

2) The President traditionally does not hit the stump until a clear nominee has been acknowledged. The Bully Pulpit is a huge benefit to any campaign.

3) Hillary would be able to begin to transition resources, time, people and money into challenging in the courts the voter suppression laws in key states.

[Hiraeth]

48. your call has been noted and ignored.

[Trust Buster]

51. Thank you for your contribution to this OP's dialogue.

[pdsimdars]

75. Yes, any trust you had is certainly busted.

But you sure like to make up lists.
You think that makes it seem more real?

[Trust Buster]

78. I was responding to the question raised in the OP. Thank you and have a nice day.

[Karma13612]

125. There is a reason why we go thru all the states voting process:

The word Presumptive: does not equal confirmed, OK??

1) When it is clear that Hillary is the presumptive nominee, it would serve no value to Democrats for Sanders to keep attacking her.

Bernie is in it until the convention.

And the assumption that Bernie attacking Clinton is bad is also inaccurate. Consider this pre-vetting. If she is up to the challenge, Bernie's challenges will just help clear up more issues before the Republicans can start to throw stuff at her.

See??

This can be played both ways.

Hillary stayed in after Obama was the 'presumptive nominee'. How is this any different?

Bernie is going to win this.

[Trust Buster]

129. We've been over this. Hillary stayed within 100 delegates of then Senator Obama.

[Karma13612]

132. see you at the convention! eom

[Trust Buster]

137. Translation: You have no logical response to facts. Good day.

[arikara]

139. If she can't even handle Bernie who has only been truthful and fair with her record

then how's she ever going to go against Trump or Cruz? It'll be a bloodbath. Good grief.

Bernie NEEDS to win this.

[Karma13612]

140. agree whole-heartedly.

I believe Bernie CAN win this.

Please take the leap from Needs to Can.....

[arikara]

154. For sure!

He WILL win. I just wish I could vote for him too.

[HassleCat]

34. It might benefit her to have Sanders hang in there.

Clinton herself says it's up to Sanders, and she even mentions the fact she stayed in the 2008 primary a long time. She can say nice things about him, appear to embrace some of his ideas, etc. because she has a comfortable lead. She can make herself look good if she's skillful about it, but some of her supporters are too eager to mow down all obstacles, and they see Sanders as an obstacle, not an opportunity.

[djean111]

46. Some Congressmen are actually suggesting Bernie stay in the race, but turn his attention to Trump

and, basically, be sort of campaigning for Hillary.

That would be a massive mistake. Not to mention revolting.

[mythology]

79. I think it would help some Sanders supporters accept Clinton winnin

If Sanders stays in longer. I think it also might help mitigate the potential concern that his some of his supporters will be so disheartened by Sanders losing that they drop out of politics. I think both of these groups are small, but they do exist.

But also if Sanders wants to keep going for his own reasons, whether he believes he can still win, if he thinks it will further his policy goals etc, he should stay in.

As for it possibly harming Clinton if she's the nominee, it didn't harm Obama that Clinton stayed in.

[djean111]

100. Sanders' supporters are not going to accept war and fracking, etc.

And an awful lot of the newly energized are not interested in the corrupt political system we have today. They don't play the D's against the Rs game.

[pdsimdars]

47. I just think all you have to do is keep showing those crowds for Bernie's events.

Pictures ARE worth a thousand words.
Hillary doesn't seem to have public events. She has 20 person fundraisers in ritzy apartments.
The contrasting pictures is telling. . . . each appealing to the people they want to represent.

[Docreed2003]

182. Or she has closed door meet and greets...

Sec Clinton held a fundraiser, literally, a stones throw from my house last summer. My wife and I were on a dinner date and were stopped by the motorcade. Now, as an active Dem and successful professional, you'd think we'd know about this....no, we found out on the evening news that Sec Clinton had been in our town. A similar thing occurred recently when Bill appeared here...No notice, no heads up, just a secret service detail blocking off the street and a spot on the evening news. That's what being an active participant in the process in a very blue state gets you I guess.

[pdsimdars]

54. Also, the best reply to these calls . . ..

Sincerely, ask Hillary to drop out of the primaries to avoid embarrassment to herself and the Democratic party if and when she is indicted. The things that will come out in that report will create scandal and drag the whole party down.

Spare everyone. Do the right thing, Hillary, drop out.

[notadmblnd]

55. I think we will find out this week just what she has locked up

But no, Sanders needs to stay in it cause I don't think she has a lock on anything.

[Betty Karlson]

59. Just the use of the word percolation deserves a K&R!

The rest of the observation is spot on too, of course.

[Tarc]

60. It's telling that it is time to focus on Trump and not Sanders,

a candidate with no viable path to the nomination.

It was a good run, but, y'know...math.

[Fawke Em]

86. We should ask Hillary to step aside.

She is under an FBI investigation and now the NSA is concerned about the security of the server.

For the good of the Democratic Party, she should drop out. How would we ever win if our nominee is under indictment or being threatened with it?

[Tarc]

104. The Indictment Fairy isn't going to wave his wand and magic Bernie to the nomination, sorry

[Major Hogwash]

106. Yup.

Name 1 other candidate for President -- ANY party -- who has ran for that office while being investigated by the FBI.
You can't!
It has never, ever happened before!
Not in the entire history of the Republic!

Plus, she voted for the Iraq War.
And yet, some people think it's just peachy keen to vote for the Corporatist Candidate.

These aren't people that believe in the saying "Give me Liberty, or Give me Death."
No, they are people that believe in the saying, "Give me Crumbs, or Send My Job Overseas".

They're totally disconnected from reality!!

[HooptieWagon]

70. They seem quite panicked.

If their candidate was a sure thing for the nomination and GE, iDK why they'd be so continually unhinged over Sanders. They've already said we're not wanted or needed...so what are they worried about?

[nc4bo]

84. That's exactly what I've spent the last 1/2 hour wondering about.

Lots of choices some more sordid than others.

Whatever it is, it doesn't look so good.

Onward fellow travelers............to the convention!

[grasswire]

115. it's a pilgrimage!

Did you bring lunch?

[Mnpaul]

145. "but it's not a big deal"

It's just a few Bernie supporters on DU.

Their actions say otherwise. The authoritarian RW of the party just hates it when the left laughs at their "orders".

[Oilwellian]

81. Bernie needs to stay in at least til May when Hillary is indicted n/t

[grasswire]

116. we are thinking of starting a jackpot...

...for the first DU-er to post that news in LBN.

[Ed Suspicious]

130. Over at your other site?

[atomingai]

83. That's called insecurity. I thought they would enjoy watching Sanders getting

his ass handed to him by Hillary.

[Mudcat]

89. Somebody's scared...

[ThePhilosopher04]

91. Support for Hillary is support for oligarchy and the continued screwing of the American middle class

I would hang my head in shame.

[Brother_Love]

93. They're trolling Bernie groups on FB too.

[grasswire]

117. yep

I'm even seeing it on Media Matters FB feed.

[senz]

94. K&R

[MaggieD]

96. It's telling you that we are tired of the Dem party smears

He is not going to win, and all he is doing is aiding and abetting Trump. Naturally his fan boies don't care about that. Actual Democrats DO care about that.

[seabeyond]

97. Most people that participate in campaigns, and GEs get why this is an issue. I gotta wonder about

Sanders and his fans not understanding the issue. Kinda indicative of the manner they have run their campaign.

[Lorien]

105. Their internal polling must be pretty bad

to actually infiltrate Bernie groups to phone bank for Hillary shows just how desperate they are.


Be sure to contact the media today to demand fair coverage for Bernie and call on them to cease the propaganda for their dream Trump/ Clinton matchup. Silence implies consent, people! http://www.nytix.com/Links/TV/articles/newsmediacontacts.html

[lebkuchen]

107. Bernie is speaking in San Diego tonight

He has no plans to drop out, clearly.

[karynnj]

108. I agree with your last sentence - Why if Hillary has everything locked up is there this intense call

for Bernie to drop out.

For anyone who remembers 2004, do you remember the media or the blogosphere calling for Edwards to drop out after he had one one state and Kerry something like 15 -- and Kerry ahead in the polls of all the large states voting on March2?

Answer: NO In fact the NYT that weekend, had an oped where the writer argued Edwards could still win!

Did Kerry folks on DU or Daily Kos react with anger - no. Then on March 2, Kerry did win all the big states - losing only VT, which voted for Dean even though he had already dropped out. At that point, Edwards dropped out because Kerry had within a very small number the delegates needed -- with many states remaining.

Why is Hillary's team and the media demanding he drop out?

[randr]

109. The Blue Dog Democrats want to be the only ones to select our candidate

and they are in denial over this fact. They say we need to have a united front, well y'all let the states with the most populations have a vote before you go and call the race off.

[Zira]

112. I call it fear.

[HereSince1628]

118. It's the New Dem shuffle

Step forward with left foot, scream that Sanders can't win, step back with left foot, shout a demand that Sanders Supporters vote for Clinton, skip twice with right foot forward while smiling broadly. Repeat in a broad circle around the dance floor until the music stops.

[Octafish]

126. They remember last time.

Boy were they mad.

[still_one]

128. I have never suggested it, but I have also seen similar posts suggesting that Hillary drop out

because of the "email or because she isn't electable, or some other faux reason"

What comes around goes around, but I will let those that want to play, enjoy their ride on the merry-go-round

have fun

[Ed Suspicious]

131. I just want her out because she's so bad. Bad candidate. Bad person.

[still_one]

135. my counter point stands

[CoffeeCat]

173. I feel sorry for people who waste their time telling people what to do on a messageboard

or Twitter or Facebook or whatever.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say, "This morning I was gung ho on Bernie and I thought he should stay in the race, but some Hillary supporter wrote this message on DU, and now I strongly feel that Bernie should drop out."

For real. It's just weird.

No one comes here for enlightenment. We're all here for entertainment and to support like-minded supporters and engage in the occasional go-'round. Because it's fun.

[Uncle Joe]

184. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, berni_mccoy.

[laserhaas]

188. Oh please, oh please, oh please, don't run against me - can't you see I'm ahead

YUP..... those hubby voter booth blockins, homeless people being bused around to caucus here - and there - gave you a head start
.
Which is now over.
.
A Bern train is coming, and it is the Sachs tape hiding one
.
who needs to call it quits