60,000+ Washington Voters Turn Out for Bernie, Lines Stretch For Miles

[UglyGreed]

http://vetsforbernie.org/2016/03/washington-voters-love-bernie/

There are many videos of the lines at the link

[Kip Humphrey]

1. The second half kickoff - or Sayonara, Hillary!

[pdsimdars]

2. I say, just keep posting those pictures. . . . people will notice.

[UglyGreed]

5. I hear you!!!

[dchill]

8. This is really great! Keep up the good work...

I don't get to vote until April 26th, and I want my vote to count, too.

So inspiring!

[Mike__M]

37. That beautiful river!

Need to get back there more often.

That pedestrian bridge is quite a distance from the convention center.

[UglyGreed]

38. It does look wonderful

and thank you for the info about the distance

[Mike__M]

41. If it was breezy, those folks were getting damp

from spray. In Vancouver, we got damp from drizzle.
Feelin the Bern kept us comfortable, though.

[uponit7771]

21. I agree, people will notice Clinton has more delegates and votes and

... Sanders has more homogenous crowds

[dchill]

3. That really trumps Trump!

And no violence? Who'd have thought?

[CanonRay]

4. And in the media?

*cricket sounds*

[Uncle Joe]

6. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, UglyGreed.

[NWCorona]

7. It was a beautiful day here in Seattle!

We are feeling the Bern!

Thanks for the post!

[sufrommich]

9. Where was this? What venue was he speaking at

that holds that many people? This sounds like the same hyperbolic claim of a 7 mile line to see him elsewhere. For those who bought that,the line for Woodstock in 1969 was ten miles long.

[angrychair]

16. Key arena

It doesn't hold that many. Most did not get in, there was almost as many outside as inside. He now regularly speaks to the group stuck outside for about 10-15 minutes before the actual event. He did that the first time he came to Seattle. The line was really that long. As a person that stood in line both times and missed getting in, both times, I can verify that. I saw then Senator Obama 4 different times and PBO twice and never had that issue. I am not going to lie and say I wish these crowds translated into larger responses at the voting both but I believe there are a number of valid reasons for that.

[onenote]

22. not 60,000 at one rally. estimated aggregate for three rallies

One in Vancouver WA
One in Seattle WA
One in Spokane WA

I suspect the 60,000 number is somewhat overstated (the estimate for Seattle was 16K, inside and outside) and for Spokane it was 10K inside and a large number outside. But its still an impressive demonstration of enthusiasm for Bernie.

[artislife]

45. Key arena seats just over 17,000. nt

[onenote]

47. Not sure if you intended that as confirmation of my post or to contradict it

But I'll go with confirmation since the campaign itself has put out a press release using 35,000 as the point of reference for the number of attendees (yes it says "more than", but if it was 25,000 more than 35,000 they wouldn't have said "more than 35,000&quot .

And 35,000 spread over three rallies is still impressive -- no need for folks to exaggerate the number.

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/big-crowds-rally-bernie-washington-state/

[artislife]

49. Stating fact without opinion or intent. nt

[amborin]

10. Incredible!

[cosmicone]

11. How many will go and vote? n/t

[DrDan]

13. sure - make fun - literally hundreds will show up and vote

[cosmicone]

14. Like they did in TX, GA, SC, AL and MA? yep

In a state with a population of 7.06 million, 60,000 is less that 0.1%

[grossproffit]

15. Quick wit

I like that in a person.

[NuclearDem]

40. *snort*

[angrychair]

19. Washington's Democratic Party is a caucus

That we pay for out of our own pocket, with no help from the DNC.
The teapublicans have a primary that they make the citizens of Washington pay to hold.

So, being a caucus, you won't get actual raw numbers.
I can tell you, unequivocally, that Washington is all in for Sanders.

[marions ghost]

23. These are voters

People don't get this excited about a candidate in a primary. If they're in the crowd, they're voting, you betcha.

[cosmicone]

24. That is what President Ron Paul and George McGovern found out.

oooops

[marions ghost]

25. The numbers show it

doncha think? Amazing turnouts for Bernie --especially considering the obstacles, roadblocks and media blackout!

It's phenomenal.

[cosmicone]

29. So amazing in fact

that he is behind by 328 delegates .... a completely insurmountable lead.

[marions ghost]

32. For the reasons I stated

--considering that he has been thwarted, not even considered a candidate worth media coverage-- it is not only amazing --it's phenomenal.

Sure the the PTB are making sure Hillary gets the nod. That's expected. They have the power, corporate power. They don't have the people's support. That spells trouble. Because the Hillary machine will do things like always, and the people grow more unhappy. Downtrodden people are unhappy, depressed. The country suffers. No progress.

The economic inequality problem has got to be addressed. If you will ONLY look at the graphs in this excellent post, you can see it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7701697

[cosmicone]

34. Can the Bernie campaign take any blame whatsoever?

It is the media's fault.
It is the PTB's fault.
It is the DNC's fault.

When is someone going to say, "our messaging was wrong and it did not resonate with a majority of the voters?"

And they have the gall to talk about "authenticity!"

[marions ghost]

39. Your view is uninformed

The Bernie campaign messaging is working like crazy. He was NEVER expected to do this well.
And the obstacles have been Yuge.

It's an amazing story unfolding. His message caught like a prairie wildfire.

[giftedgirl77]

51. The numbers are showing that there is no correlation between

rallies & voter turnout.

[marions ghost]

53. In places where he has exceeded expectations

yes, it does correlate. Not just on a win/loss scale.

[cosmicone]

12. No diversity in the crowds - typical. n/t

[angrychair]

18. Spare me that crap

Seattle is 66% white, 14% Asian, 8% black and 7% Hispanic.
I cannot determine how you know the actual makeup of the crowd based on a couple of pictures but there you go.

[cosmicone]

20. So ... if that is correct,

in a picture with 100 people, 14 should be Asian, 8 should be black and 7 should be Hispanic amirite?

Even if there is a sampling variance of 80%, I should see at least 2 Asians, 1 black and one Hispanic in each of those pictures.

I see ZERO.

[Rebkeh]

27. Lol

You ever been to Washington?

[angrychair]

28. Random images

Do not create a statistical analysis. Have you ever had a statistics class?

In a coin flip, statistically speaking, there is a 50/50 chance of either heads or tails.
Being 50/50 does not preclude you from getting 20 heads up in a row though or any other string of combinations that are not 50/50 in that smaller sample set.

By your logic, since roughly .7 people are in jail for every 100 people not in jail and I work with about 700 people in my building, at least 2 of them should be in jail but they are not in jail, they are at work.
See my point? In another sample set of 700 people, 4 or 5 might be in jail instead of at work. In another , only 1. Taken as a whole, on average, .716 people per 100 are in jail.

I was there, based on my observations, as well as past personal observation, there seemed to be more black people there than Asians or Hispanics. Does my personal observations constitute a statistical norm? No.

A random snapshot does not constitute a norm.

[cosmicone]

30. I gave you a sampling error of 80%

Still it doesn't wash that 100% of the crowd is white.

"Being in jail" is location specific and obviously someone who is "in jail" cannot be in a workplace -- big fail.

No diversity in Bernie's campaign - period.

by the way, "Ransom" sampling -- was that a Freudian slip of "Bernie or Bust?" -- the correct word is "Random"

[angrychair]

42. No diversity

I am sure that his lead surrogates will find that troubling since they are both women and/or people of color, including a former head of the NAACP.

As I have clearly stated, statistics does not work how you framed it. The coin flip analogy is the clearest example I can give you.

It also a false to claim that all images are 100% white because that is very untrue.

Nice try, as you say, "fail".

[cosmicone]

43. Wonderful -- he has a few minorities placed in visible positions!!

[angrychair]

46. Those "few minorities" you are so dismissive of

Are noted below. I am sure they consider their support worth so little that it is justified to be laughed at and belittled by a HRC supporters (way to build a coalition):

A women of color who is former vice-chair of the DNC That is also a sitting US Congresswoman

The longest serving women in the history of Congress

A man of color who is a noted intellectual, activist and businessmen and former national leader of the NAACP

A women of color who is a noted activist and former state senator in Ohio

A man of color who is noted scholar, author and philosopher

as well as dozens of community activists, of all sexes and colors and sexual preferences, from across the country.

[cosmicone]

48. Tulsi Gabbard is as white as one can get

she is not a "woman of color"

Yes, she is a practicing Hindu with affinity for India but she was born to white parents.

[angrychair]

50. Yes, she is

Her father is a native born American Samoan. Yes, her mother is white but her father is a Pacific Islander.

[scscholar]

56. Getting 20 heads up in a row...

would be a one in 1,048,576 chance. In other words, not bloody likely!

[angrychair]

57. Not my point

I am aware of the probability of 20 heads in a row.
My point was that a random photo, of any event, actually containing a viable sample set of the racial diversity of a given city is unlikely.
It is illogical to attempt to make any statement regarding the racial diversify at an event from a single photo. To assume that any given photo will have any or all members of each racial subset is a foolish assumption that creates poor science and false conclusions.

[phleshdef]

33. I'm pretty sure thats an African American in the black skully cap in the 2nd picture in the OP.

[cosmicone]

35. LMAO

[narnian60]

52. Here. I think you forgot one.

I'm sure it will help whatever point you were trying to make so much better.

[phleshdef]

59. I'm just pointing that out. Do you deny it?

[femmedem]

60. I see at least three POC in each photo.

I'm sure there are more in the upper photo, but it is difficult to tell when the majority of people are facing away from the camera.

In other words, the crowd accurately reflects the city's demographics.

[KoKo]

17. Recommend...Many Thanks!

[Rebkeh]

26. The people are talking

They got something to say

[arcane1]

31. THIS is why these idiots keep posting the "Time for Sanders to withdraw" posts, right here.

They're terrified

[UglyGreed]

36. Be afraid

[onenote]

44. According to the campaign, the number was closer to 35,000

spread over three rallies, which is still impressive.
https://berniesanders.com/press-release/big-crowds-rally-bernie-washington-state/


I don't get why some people think its helpful to exaggerate when the actual facts are available. Not helpful.

[UglyGreed]

54. The Vets lied

I guess............

[onenote]

58. I wouldn't and didn't say the vets lied, but if that's what you want to say

that's your business.

They exaggerated, apparently based on other people's exaggerations, particularly with respect to the Seattle rally, which was widely reported to have attracted a great crowd of over 17,000 but somehow got reported by a few folks as 30,000.

[UglyGreed]

62. You are the one

who disputed their claim...........

[onenote]

65. Pointing out, correctly, that the claims were exagerrated, is not accusing someone of lying

You're the only one that suggested that they were lying. ("They lied...I guess&quot
I say they were exaggerating.

Do you dispute that? Do you contend they were accurate?

[Merryland]

55. thank you so much for posting these

It is just incredible - the American people want to choose their own leader.

[Ken Burch]

61. let's make sure they get to the caucus this Saturday

And that as many of them as possible get to work volunteering for Bernie in Oregon and phonebanking for him in CA.

[MaeScott]

63. Kicked nt

[litlbilly]

64. I was waiting for someone to beat us here in Portland:) Way to go Washington

Now, take care of business at the ballot box