Nixonian secrecy, Reagan foreign policy, Bush economics

[reddread]

she's a threefer

[redstateblues]

1. non stop smears

[reddread]

2. file under A for Atwater, B for Brock, pretty much Bush league work

[RoccoR5955]

3. Issues are NOT smears! n/t

[lovemydog]

72. You think the original post is talking about issues?

[JoePhilly]

6. I think his goal might be to ...

... insure the pro-Bernie OPs are drowned out by anti-Hillary OPs.

Great way to advance the "movement".

[reddread]

14. bring issues before smearmongers

honesty must burn, I suppose.

[JoePhilly]

15. Whatever pushes pro Bernie OPs lower

I guess.

[reddread]

16. hey! I think I see a Honduran orphan!!!

go fetch!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Why...

reddread
hey! I think I see a Honduran orphan!!!

go fetch

Why are you issuing commands to a fellow member of our board like he is a dog?

Do you issue commands to strangers like they are dogs in real life?

How does it work out for you?

Thank you in advance

[reddread]

18. you want to build a wall around an island?

one up trump, why dontcha?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. I will answer your question after you answer mine. I am a man of my word.

[reddread]

22. I will never measure up to yours.

[reddread]

19. could be a lot worse, couldnt it? Loyalty oaths, LIES, electoral fraud

yeah, the dog whistles too.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. We are discussing your AD HOMINEM attack on Joe Philly...

reddread
could be a lot worse, couldnt it? Loyalty oaths, LIES, electoral fraud
yeah, the dog whistles too.

We are discussing your AD HOMINEM attack on Joe Philly where you compared him to a dog as evident by your command for him to "fetch" something.

I didn't know he had the power to issue "Loyalty Oaths" , commit "electoral fraud" and make "dog whistles". All this time I thought good ole Joe was a plebeian like me.

[reddread]

25. go fetch

desperate enough to hold a sign on a street corner, arent you?
You dont need me to wish you luck here.
I do wish you had the Spirit of America and democratic beliefs inside.
that would be really cool.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. There is no need to treat me like a dog and issue commands, is there?

go fetch

There is no need to treat me like a dog and issue commands, is there?

<uses civil approach and sees how it works>

[reddread]

31. who will you support in the GE?

when Sanders prevails.
I see how the dog commands must seem familiar to you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. In the infinitesimally small chance that will happen I will vote for him.

I see how the dog commands must seem familiar to you.

What's with the dog commands?


I am pretty open minded but I find that particular paraphilia disturbing.

[reddread]

38. you brought them up

to deflect from the substance of Honduran orphans in the grips of HRC policies.

[reddread]

59. I asked that poster to go fetch a Honduran orphan who got past Lanny Davis

how is that ad hominem?
step it up.

[Betty Karlson]

32. Also sexism and racism and 9/11, right?

Denial - it's not just a RIVER exceding its bounds.

[Ken Burch]

69. Which of them is inaccurate?

All military intevention is Bush/Cheney. All secrecy is Nixonian. All "pro-business economics" ideas are Reaganist.

[sibelian]

79. ! For whose benefit is THIS, then?

Do think calling it "smears" will change anyone's opinion? How can addressing someone's actual positions be a "smear"? A smear has to be a suggestion or an unwarranted inference, not a direct attribution according to position.

[reddread]

4. sweatshops, outsourcing, guest workers and H1b permits

somebody needs to build a wall around her.

[EndElectoral]

5. You don't think she can evolve?

[reddread]

8. she did

a very long time ago.
into a liar.

[EndElectoral]

10. So you don't think it's possible she might find God and evolve into a truth teller?

[reddread]

11. I think she will be a little late at that point

Considering her good works with same sex marriage and the Family.
she has put a lot into her self actualization.
Credit where due, ok?

[dchill]

26. evolves or revolves?

[tkmorris]

63. Of course she can

She does it every time the poll numbers change.

[mylye2222]

12. This.

And more weapons contracts.

[reddread]

13. most of the warring will be third party, contracted out

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more ISIS type excitement.
no boots on the ground.
even when there are.

[pdsimdars]

24. Brilliant . . . . much depth and to the point. I think you got a winner there.!

thanks. Truth to power.

[reddread]

39. thats all I need to hear

thank you.

[gordianot]

27. Clinton trade deals

[reddread]

37. initiated under Bush admins

[BillZBubb]

28. Nixonian secrecy, CHECK. Reagan foreign policy--no. Nixonian/W Bush (Kissinger/Kagan).

Bush economics, CHECK.

[reddread]

29. see Central America

[BillZBubb]

34. See Kissinger. He's the granddaddy of all that crap.

[Betty Karlson]

35. Honduras yes, but since when is Libya...

... situated in Central America?

[reddread]

36. I guess its a small world after all

especially once Disney owns it all.

thanks for such a scintillating contribution.
Im so pwned.

[Art_from_Ark]

44. Reagan once bombed Libya

[reddread]

46. didnt they claim credit for killing one of his (Ghadaffi's) children?

and maybe maiming a daughter?
a while back, that was.

[Art_from_Ark]

51. An adopted daughter was supposedly killed in the 1986 raid

but some recent reports are claiming that she survived.

[reddread]

54. how interesting

glad I asked. Thanks!

*note to self- NEVER BELIEVE A FUCKING WORD AS DELIVERED.

[Betty Karlson]

65. Ah, you are so right.

Another case of Kissinger's influence, I dare say.

[Art_from_Ark]

67. Kissinger also talked Jimmy Carter into letting the deposed Shah of Iran

enter the US. What a huge mistake that was.

[Betty Karlson]

68. But not as big a mistake as overthrowing the Mosaddegh government. eom

[Art_from_Ark]

70. I don't think Kissinger was involved in that, though

I think that was more the work of the Dulles brothers.

[Betty Karlson]

73. Correct, but coincidentally in 1954 Kissinger presented his doctoral thesis:

A world restored; the problems of peace 1812 - 1822, wherein he lauds the arch-conservative (and anti-democratic) foreign policies of Metternich and Castlereagh.

The first propped up the autocratic Bourbons in France, against the call for democracy (sounds eerily familiar to the Mosaddegh overthrow), the second though nothing of bludgeoning Ireland: a scary precursor of the war crimes Kissinger would later commit?

[Art_from_Ark]

75. Wow, that is interesting

I have to admit, I have little knowledge of Kissinger before the late '60s. I'll have to take a look at that thesis.

[Octafish]

40. NSA now spies on ALL of We the People

Back then, NSA just spied on everybody who wasn't one of us. So if you are interested in Justice, you are on a List. And you know what they do with those lists when the time comes.

The Last Gasp of American Democracy

By Chris Hedges
TruthDig.org, Posted on Jan 5, 2014

EXCERPT...

The most radical evil, as Hannah Arendt pointed out, is the political system that effectively crushes its marginalized and harassed opponents and, through fear and the obliteration of privacy, incapacitates everyone else. Our system of mass surveillance is the machine by which this radical evil will be activated. If we do not immediately dismantle the security and surveillance apparatus, there will be no investigative journalism or judicial oversight to address abuse of power. There will be no organized dissent. There will be no independent thought. Criticisms, however tepid, will be treated as acts of subversion. And the security apparatus will blanket the body politic like black mold until even the banal and ridiculous become concerns of national security.

I saw evil of this kind as a reporter in the Stasi state of East Germany. I was followed by men, invariably with crew cuts and wearing leather jackets, whom I presumed to be agents of the Stasi—the Ministry for State Security, which the ruling Communist Party described as the “shield and sword” of the nation. People I interviewed were visited by Stasi agents soon after I left their homes. My phone was bugged. Some of those I worked with were pressured to become informants. Fear hung like icicles over every conversation.

The Stasi did not set up massive death camps and gulags. It did not have to. The Stasi, with a network of as many as 2 million informants in a country of 17 million, was everywhere. There were 102,000 secret police officers employed full time to monitor the population—one for every 166 East Germans. The Nazis broke bones; the Stasi broke souls. The East German government pioneered the psychological deconstruction that torturers and interrogators in America’s black sites, and within our prison system, have honed to a gruesome perfection.

[font color="green"]The goal of wholesale surveillance, as Arendt wrote in “The Origins of Totalitarianism,” is not, in the end, to discover crimes, “but to be on hand when the government decides to arrest a certain category of the population.” And because Americans’ emails, phone conversations, Web searches and geographical movements are recorded and stored in perpetuity in government databases, there will be more than enough “evidence” to seize us should the state deem it necessary. This information waits like a deadly virus inside government vaults to be turned against us. It does not matter how trivial or innocent that information is. In totalitarian states, justice, like truth, is irrelevant. [/font green]

The object of efficient totalitarian states, as George Orwell understood, is to create a climate in which people do not think of rebelling, a climate in which government killing and torture are used against only a handful of unmanageable renegades. The totalitarian state achieves this control, Arendt wrote, by systematically crushing human spontaneity, and by extension human freedom. It ceaselessly peddles fear to keep a population traumatized and immobilized. It turns the courts, along with legislative bodies, into mechanisms to legalize the crimes of state.

CONTINUED...

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_last_gasp_of_american_democracy_20140105

Edited to add info that's not on television, but should be.

[reddread]

52. identically

in the aftermath of 9-11-01, JTTF resources were directed towards spying on the local swell folks in Peace Fresno.
as many already know.
Its the many who do not know what was done elsewhere that need to realize
their rights and expectations of privacy and freedom of association were nothing
but a laughing stock to law enforcement.

but thats all in the past, right?
certainly not Hillary's fault.
if anyone's, the apathetic electorates.
I cant pass that buck.
we all own what we accept.

[Betty Karlson]

66. This should be widely broadcast, indeed.

[XRubicon]

41. It will all be over soon

Enjoy these special moments while you can.

[reddread]

62. tit for tattoo

[bettyellen]

42. and a tail and horns like the devil.

[reddread]

48. Now that you mention it

I smell sulfur

[senz]

43. Someone alerted on this thread.

I was juror #7. Appreciate the alert as I might have missed this OP otherwise.

On Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:20 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Nixonian secrecy, Reagan foreign policy, Bush economics
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511539441

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

And the message is,"she's a threefer." Idle trollery and fact-free click bait do not foster good discussions so please hide, thank you.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:27 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Its an opinion; we all have them
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is an opinion. Based on real things we know about the candidate.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: witty, if hyperbolic
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
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Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Our Dem candidates are NOT comparable to repubs.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Concise critique of a presidential candidate comparing traits/policies to those of former presidents. Commenter has been on DU for several years. Hardly "trollery." Biased alert based in disagreement.

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[reddread]

49. thanks for sharing

love to know the sum total

[leveymg]

77. Alert abuse. Should have Alert privileges suspended.

[Onlooker]

45. I suppose using the same "logic" we should compare Sanders to ...

Foreign policy -- Rand Paul
Economic policy -- Castro
Minority issues -- Wallace (After all, Sanders is for states rights and has relatively little support from minorities)

[reddread]

47. again?

[reddread]

57. confused. do i edit my response?

or dignify some particular vomit?

[senz]

50. Perfect summary of her qualifications.

You left out lack of ethics, unprincipled, disrespect for law, near-constant lying, and monomaniacal obsession with the presidency, but it might be hard to find a former president who encapsulates all those traits.

Thank you for stating it so concisely, reddread.

[reddread]

58. really, it is just the one she encapsulates

Richard Milhous Nixon.
it is a staggering realization.

[senz]

60. In his freshness and honesty,

hifiguy used to say that all the time. And he had read close to a dozen books on Nixon, so, perhaps it's true.

But I honestly believe she is more dangerous.

[reddread]

61. Yeah, it all comes down to how much REAL power she wields.

now.

[thereismore]

53. A Three for the price of one Presidency! (upgraded from two for the price of one). nt

[BernieforPres2016]

55. True, but at least one thing is missing

The Clintons have taken selling political influence worldwide to a level none of their predecessors would have imagined.

[reddread]

56. hoping the customers end up cheated.

[Arugula Latte]

64. Yep. The worst of all worlds.

[lovemydog]

71. I will take Obama foreign policy, Clinton economics,

FDR transparency over Trump, Cruz, Kasich anything

for $300, Alex

[Uncle Joe]

74. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, reddread.

[Onlooker]

76. Laying the groundwork for voting for Trump

Threads like this, which are really ignorant, are basically trolling attempts to laying the groundwork for voting for Trump. But, of course, this thread is written by someone who seems to be impaired. After all, generally people don't accuse Hillary of secrecy. In fact, every one of her emails is public, and very little has been found. In fact, there seems to be very little that's secret about the Clintons. Her foreign policy is hardly Reaganesque -- there is nothing analagous in Hillary's belief to Granada or Nicaragua or even the ME, for that matter. Reagan's ME policy was fairly hands off and was largely directed at the Soviet Union, which the OP might not be aware no longer eists. Lastly, her economic policy is nothing like Bush's and she has the votes to prove it. But, again, the OP is probably a closet Trump supporter, so his aim is to portray Hillary as far right to make his hero more palatable.

[sibelian]

78. I wonder how many people she'll end up killing?

I wonder what happens if it exceeds Bush's count?