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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 05:41 PM Feb 2012

Michigan Dems make mischief in Repuke Primary

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/

Via Aaron Blake, Michigan Democrats sent out an email urging supporters to go out and vote next Tuesday...in Michigan's Republican primary.

The Michigan primary is open, meaning Democrats and independents can vote in it, and many political watchers have assumed the Democratic Party might make such a play in a bid to impact the outcome, and keep the race churning forward.

That's what happened in the 2000 Republican primary in Michigan, when John McCain won over eventual nominee George W. Bush.

In this case, Democrats - while not saying it explicitly in the email - are hoping for a Rick Santorum win over Mitt Romney, which would deal the native Michigan candidate a serious blow, and keep the fight on.

UPDATE: JMart sends along the video the Michigan Democratic party has sent out.
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Michigan Dems make mischief in Repuke Primary (Original Post) Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2012 OP
Eh... kenfrequed Feb 2012 #1
We better not end up with President Santorum LisaL Feb 2012 #4
Doubtful kenfrequed Feb 2012 #8
Actually a large number of dems went out in 2000 for McCain tokenlib Feb 2012 #11
Hmm kenfrequed Feb 2012 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author kenfrequed Feb 2012 #9
i remember this and Dems did do this in 2000 because the Gov at the time endorsed Bush JI7 Feb 2012 #20
I see nothing wrong with this. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #2
I personally think it's stupid. LisaL Feb 2012 #3
This is just my opinion, but the goal is not to make Santorum the candidate. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #16
Dangerous games to play since you don't know the outcome. LisaL Feb 2012 #17
True. Maybe the Democratic voters in MI will think long and hard about that strategy Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #21
Santorum would lose in a landslide. Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #23
agree 1000% nt Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2012 #18
Payback for 1972. RandySF Feb 2012 #5
I certainly think that people from Michigan have a duty to go out and vote for Santorum next week... palin2013 Feb 2012 #6
Oh the GOP will be "drug down" alright. Just wait and see. MichiganVote Feb 2012 #7
Or it gives them the chance to pick someone entirely new in a brokered convention. LisaL Feb 2012 #10
Are you calling people exercising their constitutional right to vote a "stupid game"? Vincardog Feb 2012 #12
What would you call voting for someone like Santorum? LisaL Feb 2012 #13
If you can make it illegal for people to do stupid things no one would Vincardog Feb 2012 #14
very funny !! nt Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2012 #19
Daily Kos is pursuing this mischief, too. I'm not so sure WI_DEM Feb 2012 #22
How is it mischief if it's completely legal and republicans have invited Dems to vote? Renew Deal Feb 2012 #24
Republicans have invited Dems to vote? LisaL Feb 2012 #25
Why? Renew Deal Feb 2012 #26
A rec for the "mischief makers"!! tokenlib Feb 2012 #27
I just hope all this fun doesn't lead to president Santorum. LisaL Feb 2012 #30
I would have thought the real trouble makers ... surrealAmerican Feb 2012 #28
That would certainly make much more sense than voting for Santorum. LisaL Feb 2012 #29

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
1. Eh...
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 05:45 PM
Feb 2012

I doubt it is statistically significant.

Democrats really aren't all that lock-step and usually can't be bothered to organize enough to pull something like this off. What is the source for the supposed Democrats pushing for McCain to win in the 2000 primary?

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
8. Doubtful
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 06:30 PM
Feb 2012

It is highly unlikely that anyone will motivate a sufficient number of Democrats to actually make it out to the polls to vote for republican in a primary. It is even less likely that that will have much impact nationally.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
11. Actually a large number of dems went out in 2000 for McCain
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 07:10 PM
Feb 2012

Governor Engler as popular as arsenic to Dems had promised the primary to W at the time. Although there was some sort of organizing it was said in the Detroit area--it was more a "common group think" that sent a lot of us to the polls for McCain. I apologize I don't have data to prove it--but a lot of us believe it happened and took part in it.

And if the Rmoney/Santorum race is as close as the polls indicate--don't discount the possibility. Gov Snide-er is about as popular as Engler with Dems snd has endorsed Rmoney. I want to go vote myself..but can't decide between the culture warrior and Willard..they both give Obama opportunities.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
15. Hmm
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:41 PM
Feb 2012

I would need to see some numbers to accept this possibility. I wouldn't doubt a few pranksters wouldn't give it a shot, but it just doesn't sound plausible to me.

More likely, this is just a charge used as spin by the losing candidate against whoever happens to win. Hell, at this point it is possible that this kind of talk being tossed around now is just expectation management so that if Romney manages to win his campaign will claim it to be some sort of major victory and if he loses it will be results poisoned by 'Democratic infiltrators' who are trying to 'soften up Obama's opposition.'

Response to LisaL (Reply #4)

JI7

(89,249 posts)
20. i remember this and Dems did do this in 2000 because the Gov at the time endorsed Bush
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 07:15 AM
Feb 2012

and that Governor was very unpopular among Democrats, especially black voters. so they went out and voted for McCain but it was more of a vote against the Governor who had endorsed Bush. had nothing to do with mccain or bush.

that Kevorkian Lawyer also got involved in some way. i don't remember exactly, maybe running ads or robocalls .

but McCain ended up winning only because of the Dem turnout.

i don't think as many Dems will come out this time because in 2000 there was a known common enemy that got them to come out. but i'm guessing Santorum will do better than McCain among Republican voters so even a smaller turnout among Dems could maybe help him win over mccain.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
2. I see nothing wrong with this.
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 05:45 PM
Feb 2012

If it's open and that's the rules. We have a vested interest in who becomes the next POTUS...and I might vote for the lesser of the 2 evils..or, if I thought it would help get Obama re-elected, the greater of the 2 evils.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
3. I personally think it's stupid.
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 05:50 PM
Feb 2012

I don't see anything that suggests Santorum will be an easier opponent than Romney. Nobody knows what will be happening 9 months from now.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
16. This is just my opinion, but the goal is not to make Santorum the candidate.
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:53 PM
Feb 2012

The goal is to drag this thing out for as long as possible. Most of us understand that Mitt Romney will ultimately be the nominee.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
17. Dangerous games to play since you don't know the outcome.
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 11:21 PM
Feb 2012

And there are other two you can vote for instead of Santorum if you really just want to mess up Romney's chances.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
21. True. Maybe the Democratic voters in MI will think long and hard about that strategy
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:17 AM
Feb 2012

and instead vote Third Party or for lesser known candidates. Santorum isn't that far behind Romney in the one-on-one match ups with Obama. However, after his dismal performance last night, he may be further behind.

 

palin2013

(3 posts)
6. I certainly think that people from Michigan have a duty to go out and vote for Santorum next week...
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 06:00 PM
Feb 2012

the longer this drags out, the more the GOP will be drug down

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
10. Or it gives them the chance to pick someone entirely new in a brokered convention.
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 06:53 PM
Feb 2012

People shouldn't play stupid games if they don't know how these games will turn out.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
22. Daily Kos is pursuing this mischief, too. I'm not so sure
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 10:30 AM
Feb 2012

let them pick their own nominee--we can beat any of them on the issues.

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
24. How is it mischief if it's completely legal and republicans have invited Dems to vote?
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 05:08 PM
Feb 2012

That makes no sense.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
27. A rec for the "mischief makers"!!
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:26 PM
Feb 2012

Seeing Willard lose the MI primary would be highly entertaining.. The pundits will have something to talk about. Willard still has the money and the establishment. I've seen a lot of smirks and smiles since the Mich Dem Party email yesterday assuring us we can vote in the GOP primary and still caucus as Dems...

So I think we're gonna have some fun here next week with Frothy. How to go to the polls with a straight face will be a challenge... Those of you who take this too seriously or want to discount the mischief--go ahead... But a lot of us are going to have a little fun....

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