If you think that you can win the Dem nomination by insulting African Americans then....

[Yavin4]

you're not going to be the nominee. Also, you're not going to be able to form ANY sort of progressive revolution without us.

The tone deafness to the voices of African Americans speaks volumes about a particular campaign and its supporters.

--On Edit---

As an example of insulting African American primary voters:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511520728

[Live and Learn]

1. Who is you? I haven't seen anyone doing that.

Unless you include those that say POC MUST support Hillary because they owe her for her imaginary support of them.

[Yavin4]

2. FYI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511520728

[Live and Learn]

4. I don't see your point. How is that an insult? nt

[Yavin4]

5. From the first line in the post

Why do so many black Americans support Hillary Clinton? Stockholm Syndrome. They are faithful battered wives. They are yoked to Hillary by co-dependency

If you don't think that that insults African Americans, I cannot help you.

[Live and Learn]

6. So, if someone is a battered wife and you say so, you are insulting them?

I think the point is to wake people up and see that they are being abused. It doesn't say all black people. Nor, is it actually exclusive to black people and the author should have stated that.

[Yavin4]

34. So, African Americans are being "abused" because they don't want to vote for your candidate

Sorry. It's up to your candidate, whomever they may be, to convince people to follow him/her.

[Live and Learn]

35. Certainly not what I said. nt

[KPN]

82. Big Bernie supporter here.

But I am with you 100% on that Yavin. The article is offensive -- as was posting it on this site.

Bernie and those who support him have to do a better job at gaining peoples' confidence if he/we are going to take this thing. If we can't do that, then the people have spoken -- regardless of how we Bernie supporters may feel or think. In which case, we need to respect that.

[Surya Gayatri]

18. Don't bother. This one is beyond therapy. Beyond sensitivity training.

[uponit7771]

68. lol... bookmarked and screen saved !! lol ... sigh

[Live and Learn]

92. That is nice. I hope you keep it someplace warm and safe. nt

[uponit7771]

93. I'll keep it under the amnesia pillow, it'll be nice an comfy there

[brush]

90. You don't find that insulting?

If someone broached that to me and I didn't get it, I'd probably be looked at from then on as being a little thick.

[reddread]

8. all part of the strategy

were RC to prevail, we can all sit back, hold our breath until blue and wait for the qualitative changes in life for
people of color.
just ask those in Haiti and Honduras, Libya and Iraq what good HRC has done for them.

[Tom Rinaldo]

3. I fully agree with the point made in your header

I disagree with your closing comment however. The tone that you are taking offense with is not coming from the Sanders campaign and only comes from some of his supporters, and in the latter instances the intent is seldom to insult - though I for one accept the fact that frequently, intentional or not, it does.

[yardwork]

11. Jumping in here to say that the Sanders campaign has a problem.

At some point the candidate himself has to disavow the behavior of supporters and campaign surrogates, or silence becomes agreement.

It's easy to dismiss one troll, harder to dismiss 100s of recs, even more difficult to dismiss thousands of abusive tweets, impossible to dismiss Susan Sarandon in her role as a Sanders campaign surrogate yelling at a civil rights icon.

[Tom Rinaldo]

24. I dont want to engage in a full mini thread here

I am not sure of everything Sarandon might have said when and where - but there really was unfortunate confusion the night of the Nevada caucus and there was an accusation made about Sanders in the midst of that confusion that really did need to be corrected in some way at that time. That's pretty much all I want to say here because I don't want to prolong divisive exchanges now. My main reason for posting on this thread was to be supportive of the mega point made by the original poster.

[yardwork]

26. The moderator yelled "English Only!" and the Sanders camp cheered.

Sanders wasn't there, but his surrogates fucked up and it's hurt him badly in the Latino community, as reflected by recent losses.

[JonLeibowitz]

29. That is not an accurate account of what happened and I think you know that.

[yardwork]

31. I saw videos with my own eyes. It is exactly what happened.

[azurnoir]

33. Huerta herself admitted it was not Sanders supporters -after the fact

Later on 20 February 2016, Huerta told ThinkProgress that she was able to identify Sanders' supporters as the "room was divided with the Hillary people on one side and the Bernie people on the other." Huerta then nullified the "English only" claim entirely, herself stating that objections were raised not about translation but due to her affiliation with the Clinton campaign. Huerta further confirmed that the "English only" statement was made by the temporary precinct chair and not those objecting:

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

[yardwork]

37. That's exactly what I posted!

The moderator (precinct chair) yelled English Only and the Sanders supporters cheered.

That's what I saw on the videos.

[azurnoir]

41. No you claimed the Sanders camp was cheering it on Snopes doesn't believe it either

why worry it had the desired effect

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

[yardwork]

55. That's exactly what I wrote.

The inability of Team Sanders to get this is the whole problem.

[azurnoir]

59. unless you edited your comment it is not

more over there is no proof it was Sanders people cheering it on

[Autumn]

49. That line really doesn't work. The video proved that did not happen.

But keep posting it anyway.

[yardwork]

57. It's exactly what happened. I saw it myself.

[Autumn]

58. I saw it too. The video proved it didn't happen. We have had this conversation before

so have a nice day.
This was posted in a reply to you upthread
http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

[yardwork]

60. Snopes is wrong in this instance.

I'm on my phone but I'll post the video tonight when I get back in my computer.

The inability to listen to people of color is the reason Sanders is losing.

[Autumn]

61. Post the video. It didn't happen. nt

[uponit7771]

69. Don't forget Cornell West

[NWCorona]

7. More race baiting

[sufrommich]

9. The term "race baiting" doesn't belong on a democratic board.

I remember when the only people using that term were on conservative sites. Hope low will Sanders supporters go?

[NWCorona]

10. It is what it is.

I know baiting when I see it.

[JustAnotherGen]

81. Yeah - that was awful race baiting

By Willy T - who as of last night is no longer a member.

Shocking the race baiting in that thread and the OTHER one where he said black people had stockholm syndrome.

[NWCorona]

84. And?

The proper way to have handled WillyT would have been to challenge him directly.

[JustAnotherGen]

86. No - I put him on ignore after the first one

It would be a waste of time -

Wouldn't make me happy.
Enhance my marriage.
Enhance my personal relationships.
Make me money.


No point in that. I have enough problems worrying about all of those Klansmen and Women on the right who think Trump is going to win and give them everything I've earned in life just because they are white.

[NWCorona]

87. And that is another option.

We are talking about one poster and that situation has been handled.

That still doesn't change my original point tho.

[JustAnotherGen]

88. I don't care

Have a great weekend. Gotta do some prep for a project going on when I'm on vacay in Punta Cana!

[NWCorona]

89. Have a safe trip

And enjoy your vacation!

[disillusioned73]

12. I am seeing a lot of it lately..

unfortunately - not sure what the end game is..

[NWCorona]

14. Me neither but it's not helpful

[yardwork]

15. Speaking out against racism is not race baiting.

Maybe you didn't know that.

[NWCorona]

20. That's not what this post is about

But thanks anyway

[disillusioned73]

23. Well..

I keep seeing all these new threads created criticizing "racism".. why isn't it being addressed in thread if it's such an issue.. maybe my ban from a certain group keeps me from seeing said "racism" comments .. I don't know - I just haven't seen this rampant racism that keeps being brought up.. jmo

[yardwork]

25. You missed something today. Look around.

[Yavin4]

36. It's a legitimate response to a previous post.

If that post is allowed to stand, then I have a right to respond to it.

[NWCorona]

43. And so do I

[gollygee]

44. Race baiting = "talking about race in a way that might make white people uncomfortable."

And it's a pretty bullshit phrase. People at DU can talk about race.

[NWCorona]

45. I disagree

"Race baiting is a term for groundless accusations of racism. It is a unique and deliberate focus on race in an attempt to discredit others as racist. An important component of race baiting is for the indicter to appear factual, neutral, unbiased, a person truly above racisms'

[gollygee]

46. Where did you copy and paste that from? ROFL

[NWCorona]

48. Google

It can be a wonderful tool.

[gollygee]

50. Google doesn't create stuff - it searches from stuff from elsewhere

And when a right-winger comes up with a conservative definition for a bullshit racist phrase, Google being able to find it doesn't make it accurate.

[NWCorona]

51. How is the definition wrong?

As a black man I find it on point and I'm sure others will as well.

[gollygee]

54. I imagine some people will find it fits their personal belief system and some won't

And that would go for people within every racial group. I believe that most people in the AA group here at DU do not find it to be a credible phrase, based on earlier discussions there.

[NWCorona]

56. If other black people have a problem with what I said

They are more than welcome to discuss it with me. That said I do agree that I don't speak for everyone. Not trying to either.

[uponit7771]

70. More dismissing overtly racist memes from a poster who has shown a pattern of negatively labeling...

... ethnicity's.

Screen saved

[NWCorona]

74. "screen saved" lol

[uponit7771]

76. Yeap, if I book mark it people will change the post.. screen save it for the inevitable amnesia

[NWCorona]

77. I stand behind my posts

Besides aren't edits noted on this forum?

[uponit7771]

79. Many of people have claimed such and many act like these post don't exist and no... all edits

... aren't noted if made within a couple of minutes of a post IIRC

test

[NWCorona]

83. That's a fair point and if you ever feel that I have

Caught a case of amnesia please challenge me on it.

Also thanks for the clarification on the edit history. I wasn't aware of that.

[CalvinballPro]

13. White progressives are experiencing the same existential crisis as their conservative analogs.

After all, it's not just white conservatives who will themselves be a minority soon. It's white everyone.

But white progressives have responded to changing times much worse than I ever expected. I certainly never expected so much open racism from people who espouse progressive ideology. (Then again, I think the whole Sanders movement is riddled with secret libertarians and Gamer-Gaters, so it's not really that surprising, just disappointing.)

[yardwork]

17. It's actually a long-standing problem on the left.

The movement has always been rife with racism, sexism, homophobia, and the infuriating condescension that accompanies a privileged world view.

[Yavin4]

38. Yep. Just because you're a Liberal, that doesn't mean that you aren't a sexist, racist, or

a homophobe.

[uponit7771]

71. Amen and Amen!!! The racial and gender establish is experiencing the effects of a real revolution...

... and they are throwing the typical temper tantrum.

They'll calm down soon

[CalvinballPro]

73. You know, I'd actually forgotten about the gender aspect, but yes, white MEN are complaining loudest

[uponit7771]

75. That's pretty much Sanders and Trumps base!! I don't see how anyone could call what Sanders has

... as a progressive movement seeing how RELATIVELY homogeneous it is

[iandhr]

16. I am guessing the poster who writes the Stockholm Syndrome stuff is white.

[NCTraveler]

19. While your point stands.

The person responsible for that op has been PPR'ed

Admins

[NurseJackie]

22. THANK GOD!!! JESUS H. CHRIST!! How did that one survive for as long as he did???

[MoonRiver]

42. He's gotten numerous timeouts.

Hope this time he's finally gone for good, but there's no telling here.

[NurseJackie]

47. His posts were one of the main reasons I'd TOTALLY GIVEN UP on the alert process.

If I submitted an alert on one of his (many) horrid posts, I'd be immediately notified that someone had already alerted and that it had survived the alert.

Also, if I was (rarely) the first person to alert, his post would survive the jury.

At that point, I could see clearly what was happening, so I just gave up entirely and stopped alerting on things.

[MoonRiver]

91. I had the exact same experience.

Fortunately, the adms took matters into their own hands.

[Lizzie Poppet]

21. There are, at this point, only two people trying to "win the Dem nomination."

Feel free to point out where either have insulted African Americans. ProTip: Manuel García, Jr. isn't running.

[Doctor_J]

27. Yet insulting liberals seems to be just great!

Strange how the party and DU have morphed over the years.

[iandhr]

63. I was under the impression that as a liberal I was supposed to take a stand against racism.

[NowSam]

28. Who's paying you

to write this? I apologize for my disbelief but you are severely misinformed or being paid to spread dis info and propaganda.Just my humble opinion.

[leftofcool]

32. So, if a Black woman expresses her opinion she is being paid?

Wow!

[Live and Learn]

39. No, but per wikipedia there are people being paid on the site.

It is up to us to surmise who they are.

[NowSam]

40. has nothing to do

with you being a black woman. I just wonder how a person could be so misinformed abut a candidate who would champion causes that matter so much for 99% of the people.

[mmonk]

30. Bernie doesn't insult African Americans.

[iandhr]

66. Of course he doesn't

But if you read this post some (key word being some) of his supporters have targeted African-Americans with racist rhetoric, and women with sexist rhetoric when they don't support their candidate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511520728

Bernie himself has called out the people who do so as disgusting.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/02/07/3746988/bernie-sanders-tells-berniebros-to-knock-it-off-we-dont-want-that-crap/

The point I think is that African-Americans hear and read stuff like this and are unwilling to listen to Bernie because of it. The result being, instead of helping their candidate these people cause damage and prevent Bernie from getting any kind of kind of traction in the community.



Note: I am a Hillary supporter but I still like Bernie.

[uponit7771]

72. The people he associates his campaign with do, someone calling the first black president n-wordized

... and parading him mostly in front of northern whites is a slap in the face

Cornell West

[hrmjustin]

52. K&R!

[EdwardBernays]

53. The corollary

Is that you can't win the GE with only African Americans.

Which is why Hillary is going to lose badly in November.

[Bluenorthwest]

62. That OP has been PPR'd and was not a candidate nor the represenative of the supporters of a

candidate. It is just as wrong to claim that individual is definitive of others as it would be to claim that the PPR'd antisemitic posters who posed as 'Hillary supporters' are definitive of all Hillary supporters. In fact, doing such a thing is effectively the same tactic as the tactic used by Stockholm Man. It's the flip side.

Plus, the OP in this case spent 2008 trash talking Hillary in the extreme and now says anyone who is critical of Hillary is evil, bad stuff- 'Anyone who does what I do who is not me is terrible!!!!'

[Impedimentus]

67. You've got to love the hypocrisy

Some Hillary supporters seem to bath in it daily.

[LexVegas]

64. Those that would attack John Lewis would insult African American voters without a second thought. nt

[whatchamacallit]

65. Why do you conflate an Internet poster with Bernie Sanders

Yes, Willy T will not be the nominee.

[Agnosticsherbet]

78. In a revolution,

we should be swept up by shared passion
not told to fall in line,
and degraded when we decline.

[uponit7771]

80. Should be its own OP

[Arugula Latte]

85. Your title says "you" -- as if Bernie has been doing this. What utter bullshit!!!

Wow, I'm so sick of this nonsense.

[dana_b]

95. +1

This is from some of his supporters (a small minority, as far as I can see), not Bernie.

OP please do not confuse these thoughts as being from Bernie. Bernie doesn't see/hear everything that his supporters say/do just as Hillary doesn't either.

[pinebox]

94. You mean like 'Superpredators"?