So, Bernie fans want both coddling and scorched earth.

[DanTex]

On one hand, they say things like "If Hillary wants my vote, she needs to build a statue of me, and get me a date with JLaw, and pay off my mortgage!" And a few seconds later they're back to the right-wing smears, the emails, and all that.

Sorry, it doesn't work like that. If they want coddling, they can have coddling. Coddle coddle.

But there's not going to be coddling as long as the smears and the tearing down of the Democratic nominee keep going. Bring the party together, unite behind Hillary, and then let the coddling begin.

[II-X-II]

1. I don't want Hillary.

All I want her to do is step aside and let Bernie take the nomination.

I just don't think Clinton is capable of doing the job and serve the people fairly.

[DanTex]

3. So, your third post on a Democratic forum and you're already smearing the nominee...

[II-X-II]

4. Smear? What smear?

I gave you my opinion.

I said "I don't think Clinton is capable of doing her job and serving the people fairly."

Where is the smear?

[IdaBriggs]

18. You didn't smear her, but you are talking to a person who

wants you to fall in line with their agenda. I highly recommend using the Ignore button - it is the little person's head on the far right.

Welcome to DU!

[synergie]

69. It seems like the new poster has an agenda, that's similar to the agenda of several BS

supporters who would also prefer a coronation and have no respect for the millions of people who simply have given their vote to the candidate they prefer. Aren't you also demanding that we fall in line with your agenda?

[IdaBriggs]

71. "Straw man" for the win!

Newbie voices an opinion shared by millions: "I just don't think Clinton is capable of doing the job and serve the people fairly." This is a valid opinion, even if Hillary supporters BELIEVE otherwise.

OP calls it a smear. Newbie says it is not a smear. I defend Newbie's Right to Have An Opinion Which is Not a Smear (smears are things like "Bernie is a racist" or "he didn't really participate in the civil rights movement" - factually untrue things said to impugn someone's integrity)...

And you think this means I am demanding you fall in line with my EVIL BERNIE agenda.



Straw man. Thank you for playing.

[mac56]

85. What do we have for the contestant, Johnny?

[Warren Stupidity]

5. Attacks newbie for bad behavior with transparency page showing, uses blatant lie while attacking

[DanTex]

6. Since you've checked my transparency page, perhaps you can tell me how many of those hides

you think are legit...

[SwampG8r]

12. All of them

[DanTex]

14. LOL.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

59. Every fucking one of them.

I've got my hides too, but you won't find me whimpering about them.

[NWCorona]

20. I don't think we had the Democratic Convention yet

[Marr]

40. There you go again, whining about insults in yet another one of your insult threads.

It's hard to take you seriously.

[choie]

42. She's not the nominee

N/t

[Jackilope]

57. Not the nominee.

Convention has not happened yet unless you, Doc, and Marty are flying around in a DeLorean and even then, the future us still ours to make.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

58. 1. There's not a nominee. 2. Why are you badgering new members who have done nothing wrong?

You don't get to set the tone at this website, and you don't get to dictate rules to other members. None of us do, so it would be nice if you'd stop.

[Perogie]

76. why do the amount of posts matter?

Are you a more informed person because you have more posts?
More intelligent?

I've seen you make this comment more than once.

I didn't realize there was elitism on this forum tied to how many posts you have.

[DanTex]

77. Looks like my instinct was correct this time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=331925&sub=trans

[Perogie]

81. finding something you think justifies your comment

doesn't explain why you have made several comments to people that the amount of posts they have somehow makes their comments less important than yours.

You have posted it more than once, so you must believe that the amount of comments you have on this site makes you more of an authority.

That's just sad.

[nadinbrzezinski]

84. That is a personal attack

[DanTex]

86. It's actually a piece of prescient intuition on my part.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=331925&sub=trans

[nadinbrzezinski]

87. Look MIRT will get rid of any who supports Bernie early on

so save that for somebody who does not understand that. You engaged in a personal attack Sir, Own it, or likely not.

[hrmjustin]

7. Not happening. sorry to disappoint you.

[IdaBriggs]

13. ^== This.

Welcome to DU!

[griffi94]

26. I'm sure Hillary will step aside

if Bernie wins the nomination.
So far that isn't happening and it looks less likely now than it did
a month ago.

[synergie]

68. Yes, but 8.6 milllion other people do,so why must their votes be ignored so that

a guy who isn't winning voters, can be crowned with a nomination he hasn't been capable of winning fairly on his own?

Why do your personal wants take precedence over the will of the nation, do you just have something against democracy?

[MoonRiver]

82. You are a tiny, and, sorry, completely insignificant segment of the American electorate.

Hillary, currently, is not only the front runner in electoral votes, but has accumulated more popular votes than any other candidate, Dem and Repub. Why do you want to subvert the clear will of the people by demanding she step aside?

[lunamagica]

83. Step aside? She is winning delegates, SD, the popular vote, and states. She's winning in every

measurable way. But she should step aside and let Bernie take the nomination?

Talk about a coronation!

[Trust Buster]

2. You're killing me this morning Dog....LOL

Who would alert on such a guru ? You're right, they want Hillary to dance for them while simultaneously flirting with the the evil princess on the other side of the dance floor.

[all american girl]

10. OMG...I'm busting a gut right now!!!!!

[bravenak]

38. U killin me tho

[Armstead]

8. NO we want the Democratic Party to stop coddling Big Bidness at the expense of everyone

And that's not about the beauty contest between Clinton and sanders.

It is much bigger and broader than the two candidates who happen to represent the different impulses within the Democratic Party -- and in the general population.

[RiverLover]

49. +1

Well said.

[mmonk]

9. I want economic justice in America.

That's not going to happen with people that receive over 100 million dollars from those that make it unjust. I just didn't fall off a turnip truck. BTW, are you ok?

[DanTex]

16. And you think sitting out and throwing the election to Trump will deliver that?

[timmymoff]

23. Do you think

supporting someone who takes money from Wal- mart will do that? Wall St? Big Pharma? Again someone who immediately says min wage should be $12 and hour and starts negotiating from a weaker point? Do you really think this is the path we should take when concerned about economic justice?

[DanTex]

25. If you're talking about Hillary, then much more so than Trump, which is what matters.

The minimum wage, for example, Hillary wants to raise it up to its highest inflation adjusted level at any time in history, whereas Trump certainly doesn't. Hillary wants to raise taxes on the wealthy and make large investment in clean energy. Trump wants big tax cuts for the rich.

And so on.

The reality is, Hillary and Bernie are pretty close on economic issues, and the areas where Bernie is further left (i.e. $15 vs $12) won't make any difference in the face of GOP opposition. But Hillary and the GOP are night and day.

[timmymoff]

27. Night and Day

Yup the gop supports fracking, so does Hillary. The gop supports big business exploiting workers, so does Hillary. The gop takes money from big business like Wal- mart so does Hillary. The gop thinks regime change is a good idea, as does Hillary. The gop supports free trade deals, as she has until recently. Yup night and day I am seeing the glaring differences.

[DanTex]

29. I guess you conveniently ignored the minimum wage, climate policy, tax policy, etc. Figures.

Still, let's go through these.

Yup the gop supports fracking, so does Hillary.

This isn't black and white. Hillary (and Obama) have been cautiously pro-fracking, primarily because natural gas burns cleaner than coal, but they want strong environmental regulations, unlike the GOP, which is reflexively against environmental laws. And the GOP doesn't believe in climate change, so on environmental issues, there's no comparison at all.

The gop supports big business exploiting workers, so does Hillary.

That's not a policy, that's meaningless rhetoric.

The gop takes money from big business like Wal- mart so does Hillary.

That's also not a policy. Also, as you know, corporations can't donate to campaigns. I'm sure that both Hillary and Bernie have received contributions from WalMart employees, since WalMart employs a lot of people.

The gop thinks regime change is a good idea, as does Hillary.

If you're referring to Libya, that was a European-led effort to avert an impending mass murder/genocide. The GOP wants boots on the ground all over the middle east and is much more Hawkish than Hillary. Trump in particular wants to assassinate the families of suspected terrorists, which is a war crime. Hillary is not even in the same ballpark.

The gop supports free trade deals, as she has until recently.

Not sure if you're aware of this, but there are many free trade deals, and Hillary has been for some, and against others. What you are missing is the content of the deals. Hillary, like other pro-trade Dems, want strong environmental and labor protections, whereas the GOP is against that.

[timmymoff]

32. Not interested

in HRC. I trust a person will do more for my interests when they aren't being funded by those who oppose my interests. I have yet to see minimal consistency regarding any issue. On the other hand Sanders has what is needed for the future, a return to democratic values. The best I can possibly offer HRC is a vote if she can earn it.

[DanTex]

33. Not interested in facts? Because I laid them out for you, and you're ignoring them.

If you look at Hillary's platform, or her voting record, which coincides with Bernie's over 90% of the time, then it's obvious that she's night and day versus the Republicans. But you ignore all that, and go by personal animosity instead.

[timmymoff]

34. No

One it's trust. Her recent evolutions are a large part of it. The other part is that 10% difference is yuuuuge. Again she is not night and day different than republicans, she is mildly better at best. She doesn't cut it for me. I'm not impressed with her group of friends or donors. I am not impressed with her record as sec of state or senator. I am not impressed with how she was willing to remove three dollars from the minimum wage discussion before a battle even happened. This while knowing other cities have enacted the very number Sanders and O'Malley called for $15. So there is that. I am not impressed with her once support of the private prison lobby. Nah, I'm good with my current decision. What can she do to earn my vote? Evolve even more, no. She could try honesty, it would be a new look for her.

[DanTex]

37. That seems to be the theme of the anti-Hillary camp. Facts don't matter.

You keep claiming that there's not a big difference between her and the GOP, but when I point out the facts on issue after issue, it's obvious that you are wrong.

And speaking of evolution, the single biggest evolution by far is Bernie's transition from a means-of-production-nationalizing socialist in his Liberty Union days to a Euro-style social democrat he currently claims to be. Somehow Bernie fans ignore that, but the fact that Hillary has supported some trade deals while opposing others is an indication of her untrustworthiness.

You're right that some of the votes where they diverged are significant. For example, when Bernie voted to give gun corporations a special legal immunity that nobody else gets. But for the most part, they are very close, and like I said, the difference between $12 and $15 will make absolutely no difference in practice. What will make a difference is if a Republican who wants to get rid of the minimum wage entirely gets into office.

[timmymoff]

43. Seems to me either way

a republican ends up in the white house. Facts are she has been on many sides of issues. Thus her lack of trust. You can only get bit so much before you decide not to offer your hand. My hand isn't out there. And again, she supports to many things I oppose. She negotiates from a point of weakness. I don't need her brand of democrat. You can accept it, I won't.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

60. Please don't present anything as a "fact" without a link. There are untruths in your own OP, above.

You need to document someone else's words and present them.

[mmonk]

30. Your thoughts, not mine. I'm dedicated to fighting fascism.

But I'm still dedicated to economic justice and will continue to advocate.

[IdaBriggs]

11. Yawn. When no one trusts your candidate, always best to threaten and cajole.

Thousands of potential Democratic candidates - younger, less baggage, better qualified - but you folks picked Hillary.

While I applaud your psychic ability, it's not over yet.

[Autumn]

15. No, if Hillary wants my vote, she needs to do a lot more that that. Here,

https://gfycat.com/ImprobableDeficientItalianbrownbear

[Herman4747]

17. Goldman Sachs: "If Hillary wants our money, she needs to...

(this part is known only by Goldman Sachs & Hillary)

[Logical]

19. Lol, dan being dan! Nt

[timmymoff]

21. I'm not interested in uniting behind Hillary

The complacency and acceptance of her brand of democrat is what gets us in positions like this. I am a democrat of old. I believe FDR was far greater for us than the Clinton's. I do not support fracking, I do not support wall st. or Wal-Mart, I do not support regime change. I do not support a person who immediately starts a minimum wage negotiation for 3 dollars less than the other democratic candidates (Sanders and O'Malley). We don't want coddled, nor do we feel we need a lecture from someone supporting Hillary. I will not support the election of Hillary Clinton in any way other than a possible vote. That's the best election math I can offer the group designed to sell us out, and sell us out they have. When there isn't much difference between the business wing of the democrats and the republicans, some soul searching is in order. The results of a kinder, gentler castration are the same, one will just heal faster.

[cherokeeprogressive]

22. Putting stupid shit in "___" only makes you look stupid.

It totally overpowers any logical argument you may be trying to make. When you use quotes, make sure it's for something someone actually said or wrote. Don't make up idiotic shit and then surround it with quotation marks while claiming you've read or heard it. That's pretty much where most of us stop reading.

[whatchamacallit]

24. Well that's a dandy flaming turd

A lot of us don't want your candidate or your fake fellowship, so please continue as you are.

[Setsuna1972]

28. I'm sick and tired of the Bernie bots

There are still more Bernie boys out there saying bullshit about how Hillary Clinton has won the Confereracy and turn right back around to ask people to be nice to them . Fuck that ! They just don't get it, those dog whistle racist attacks only serve to dislike Bernie MORE . And the morons making these dingbat comments aren't making things better .

[timmymoff]

45. Sick and tired of the Hillary hags

[Setsuna1972]

48. whatever hippie

Bernie Sanders is an 8 track tapeplayer trying to play a new Adele song from iTunes !

[timmymoff]

61. And hillary is a cover band

covering all of Bernie's platform until she gets to veer extremely hard right. Again, the Hillary hags are going to be the destruction of the once liberal platforms they held. Good luck in the general with the far right lurch she will move towards. Duped again by the Wall St. candidate on the "liberal" side. Even though she is farther right than the Rockefeller republicans of old.

[SMC22307]

65. How original.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. Hillary doesn't coddle. She collaborates with the generous capitalists who invest in her.

[tk2kewl]

35. i don't think it's coddling *and* scorched earth...

Maybe coddling (if that's what you want to call having their agenda taken seriously) *or* scorched earth.

It is Clinton's choice.

[Orsino]

36. Sore winners abound. n/t

[DisgustipatedinCA]

39. I haven't asked for a single thing. I'm a Bernie fan. Ergo, your premise is flawed.

[thesquanderer]

41. There is more than one Bernie fan.

They don't necessarily all say the same things.

It sounds like you may be attributing things said by different people to the same phantom "super Bernie supporter in the cloud."

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

44. I'd rather be cuddled by a socialist than coddled by a capitalist.

[Setsuna1972]

46. move to China

And enjoy living in a Socialist paradise !

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

50. Why would I want to do that if I can vote for socialists here?

And, help bring socialism to America?

[nadinbrzezinski]

88. Nice personal attack

and China is truly not, regardless of their press, a socialist state. They are a communist nation, that have adopted strong neo liberal economic policies.

You really should update the red baiting though, You meant Sweden.

[Octafish]

47. Do you ever post anything that's not ad hominem?

You know, "facts"?

[merrily]

54. Flat statements that purport to be factual, yes. Verifiable? Not so much.

The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

[Octafish]

62. Hmmm. That explains the absence of links and sources and anything to refute.

Says a lot about one's inscrutability.

[merrily]

63. The OP is not inscrutable. To the contrary, he's as transparent as my cleanest, newest window.

[QC]

74. No. n/t

[merrily]

51. Does more than one poster have to say something before we pretend all Sanders' supporters said it?

Doesn't seem like it. Every time I post, I have to take all kinds of crap for stuff I never posted--and I'm not sure anyone ever posted.

Months of this kind of crap have been so tiresome and unproductive. And no end in sight.

I wonder what people think it accomplishes?

[bkkyosemite]

52. There is yet to be a nominee. And the disrespectful comments about Senator Sanders abound.

We don't need to be coddled and we don't need to be continuously told to do what Hillary supporters order us to do. We will do what we individually feel is right. For me it is right to vote for Bernie..it's not even half over..........stop...enough!

[randome]

53. It's a left brain/right brain schism. A swig or two of bourbon may help with that.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]

[DisgustipatedinCA]

55. I need no coddling. No quarter asked; none given. Sounds like we're doing this one without prisoners

And I'll give you a shiny penny if you can link to Bernie's supporters saying anything like the words you've posted (hint: you won't win this).

[Sunlei]

56. I think in general, people just want to be treated with respect. Includes from 'Tá a fhios go léir'.

Happy St. Patricks Day

[SMC22307]

64. No interest in a statue, JLaw doesn't do it for me, and my mortgage has been paid off for 10 years.

What else ya got?

[actslikeacarrot]

66. We are doing you, and your candidate, a favor. To get her ready for the G.E.

You think it's bad now? You think THIS is scorched earth? Wait until the G.E. Wait until trump or cruz really get the right wing noise machine going. sniper fire, Iraq vote, Syria, Libya, the fucking private server and her emails you name it. In the G.E. it wont matter if it's true or not. Perception will be reality. Better get used to it now.

[NurseJackie]

70. Because this is all so new to her? :-P

[actslikeacarrot]

75. I predict that what had already happened...

...will pale in comparison in the G.E.

[slipslidingaway]

67. LIS nt

[John Poet]

72. Who is this 'JLaw' of whom you speak,

and why would I want to date them.

[yuiyoshida]

73. Why are they called "Bernie fans"

He is not a movie star or a rock singer. Isn't there something better to use than Bernie fans, or BernieBros?

[AgingAmerican]

78. Bizarre, thin skinned, crybaby level OP

Why embarrass yourself like that?

[Sheepshank]

79. Yup...noticed the same thing.

So many using the withholding of their votes as a threat for the GE....then post after post of RW rhetoric and reccing others' RW rhetoric.

[Betty Karlson]

80. "get me a date with JLaw". ???? Jude Law? J Lo? And whichever you meant:

how old are you, to think we want a date with either of those Gen-X-ers?

And asking for single payer, asking for legal protection from housing discrimination and adoption discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, asking for a veto of TPP, or the overturning of Citizens United, is NOT asking to be coddled. It is asking to do away with matters that are clearly wrong. To ask for a different (less hawkish) foreign policy is not asking for a statue, it is asking for our prospective standard-bearer to develop a sensible worldview. For you to imply that these matters are just "youth not knowing their place" - now THAT is a right-wing smear.

And as long as the Clinton campaign and / or her supporters continue to attack Bernie supporters with GOP talking points, you had better believe that we will not fall in line, even if she manages to win the nomination (which I still hope won't happen).

No, we will not unite behind Hillary while you continue to bash us. This "come out with your hands up and maybe we won't shoot you" approach is indicative of the arrogance on the Clinton side.

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by the way: DOWN WITH HOMOPHOBIA IN ALL ITS FORMS!

[Katashi_itto]

89. I dont trust anything Hillary says and her supporters even less.