2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDo Hillary supporters think the transcripts would look bad or think she said nothing bad?
The only reason not to release them is that she said some things that would not sit well with liberals.
Does anyone here, even Hillary supporters, think those transcripts have nothing bad in them?
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Anything after that is just "whatever' to them.
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)surrealAmerican
(11,364 posts)... it is almost certain to be leaked by somebody at some point during this campaign.
There could well be somebody with a recording, or at least notes, waiting for the right moment or the right buyer.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)surrealAmerican
(11,364 posts)It's probably more like a 47% moment. We can't trust everybody she spoke to to want to see her win this election.
amborin
(16,631 posts)gotten from so many sources; it is unseemly and reeks of quid pro quo
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)of quid pro quo are two very different things. If there was it would have leaked out by now. Much ado about nothing. Nobody but Bernie's backers care.
amborin
(16,631 posts)don't realize, if they knew, they might care
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)The same smear you guys used when Bernie lost the south. I guess you guys are just so much smarter than us mindless zombies.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)think
(11,641 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)journalist who had the transcripts and was going to see if HRC would release them and if not he would. Someone must have gotten to him.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)They're expecting us to hold the torch if Bernie is out by then. Fuck that shit. She's on her OWN and so are they.
rock
(13,218 posts)She has be accused of so many things throughout her career and been found guilty (in the legal sense) of nothing. With each passing false accusation I become more and more cynical of all accusations of wrong-doing on her part. There have been, of course, some embarrassing faux pas and mis-remembering which were a waste of time because of their triviality. But I do appreciate you asking. Thanks.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)But, the speeches are probably fluff, not particularly controversial. It's worth remembering that if she did say something very controversial, there are always a few liberals at corporate meetings who would pass it on.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)They would edit the shit out of it and create some controversy that simply does not exist. Read GDP for some examples. No one but her haters give a rat's ass about her "transcripts." Therefore there is absolutely no reason to release them.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)hill2016
(1,772 posts)Lots of people don't understand complex issues like financial markets.
They still believe in mis-information about the bailout.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Geez, I have been away for 2 weeks and there are still people clinging to this?
NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)
and its everything youve been hoping for!
I just wanted to let all of you know that I have your backs. If I am elected president, I will fight for you guys every step of the way. I will shut down any discussion of reining you in, I will veto any bill that would put any restrictions on your activities whatsoever, and I will use the power of my office to promote any agenda that would assist you in being able to bilk the citizenry out of their hard-earned dollars.
Lets face facts. The average American is an idiot, and if you guys can find ways to exploit that and make money from it, I say go for it. Lets not let those morons out there stand in the way of our mutual greed. Im still trying to wrap my head around the idea that these uninformed jerks are the same people Ill have to kow-tow to in order to become the next POTUS.
I would only ask that you keep all of this just between us. Im taking an enormous risk here by speaking this candidly, and I think you all realize that if any of this was repeated outside of this room, any ambitions I have for running for the presidency would be completely destroyed.
Id considered expressing these thoughts just to upper management and behind closed doors, guaranteeing that the message was communicated in such a way that no one could ever prove the conversation even took place, no less what was said.
But I thought, hey, what-the-fuck were all friends here, right? Im more than happy to stand here and potentially obliterate my shot at the White House or even open myself up to being blackmailed by any one of you in this room.
As per my contract, there is a stenographer here taking notes, and she will prepare a transcript of tonights speech. I know it seems insanely foolish for ME to be the one to actually insist there be a record made of the very things I would never want anyone to know I said but Im just one of those people who never thinks ahead, never calculates any risk to my political career, and am known for letting my guard down at all times.
Sure, sure, I saw the Romney 47%er video and it should have made me even more cautious about rambling on and on in front of a roomful of complete strangers, saying things that could potentially come back to bite me in the ass, and ruin my political ambitions forever but screw it!
What can I say? I like to live life on the edge. And you all have such trustworthy faces, Im sure I can count on each and every one of you to keep those lips zipped.
Isnt is AMAZING how the self-serving, closely-guarded, manipulative demon that is Hillary Clinton would have said the aforementioned or anything close to it? In fact, its downright unbelievable, isnt it?
When your candidates last hope is finding something in his opponents speech transcripts that might turn his losing streak into victory, youve pretty well announced that your candidate has nothing else to rely on.
Logical
(22,457 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)... to you posting all of your email exchanges in a public forum?
I mean, if you've got nothing to hide - right? (BTW, wasn't that Bushie's tactic when justifying the gov't being able to access citizens' phone records, emails, etc.?)
Logical
(22,457 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)... might be contained in your personal emails.
I guess the only way to KNOW would be for you to post all of them - and then we can decide if you have "nothing to hide".
If Bernie is down to counting on speech faux pas (or imminent indictment, which is the other desperate meme here tonight), it's obvious he can't win the nomination on his own merits. I don't know what part of that apparent fact baffles you.
Logical
(22,457 posts)I have presented in public 20 times, and have nothing I would be embarrassed about.
Emails are mostly to one person. Not to a huge audience.
Get real. She knows it would hurt her.
NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)... what SHE knows?
Tell us. Give us a taste of what you think is in those speeches. Tell us what words she used, what terms, what phrases - or even an inkling thereof.
You're SO sure she said something devastating - and yet you can't even surmise what it would have been?
Do tell, Logical.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)America's most racist sheriff.
So nice she took time to do a photo op with him.
Logical
(22,457 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)OMG OMG OMG !!!!!!!!1!1!
Move on already -- everyone else has
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)ZERO.
She is a private individual who gave speeches for a fee.
Perfectly legal, perfectly ethical.
This continued harassment is nothing but harassment.
Logical
(22,457 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)on her tax returns.
Logical
(22,457 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)... would expose you! You know that!
That's the only explanation for why you won't release them!
kas125
(2,472 posts)email I've ever written. But emails sent to friends and family aren't the same thing as speeches given to corporations, so nobody cares about my emails. Lots of people care what our presidential candidate said to Wall Street banks and what they may have been promised for those millions, though.
NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)... the only people who are interested in those transcripts are BS supporters - hoping to find a "gotcha!" comment that they hope will keep Bernie from losing this race.
If, as you and many others contend, HRC "promised" something to the Wall Streeters, why would she do it in a speech in front of a roomful of strangers? Why wouldn't she meet one-on-one with the PTB and make her "promises" behind closed doors?
HRC's contract for her speaking engagements includes a court stenographer to take notes and prepare a transcript. Why would SHE be the one to insist that a record be made, if she were going to say anything untoward, when it would be much easier to just stipulate that NO record be made?
NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)It is pure, transparent, unmitigated desperation.
Logical
(22,457 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)She gave a speech where she lauded the "business opportunity' that was iraq.
That's not a hidden transcript. That's the shit she tells us to our faces.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)No, there's nothing "bad" in those speeches. It's a non-issue and giving into bullies without a compelling legal reason is a never a good idea.
Chichiri
(4,667 posts). . . and if she managed to get everyone who attended the speeches to keep it a secret through 2016, that feat of social engineering proves that she's pretty much going to win no matter what!