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pinebox

(5,761 posts)
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:53 AM Mar 2016

I don't hate Hillary, I pity her.

Well, this sums it up perfectly but honestly from MY POV, I am beginning to actually not stand her and her dishonesty and lies. To me, Hillary exemplifies exactly why people hate politicians.

There is a LOT more at the link.

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I don't hate Hillary, I pity her. (Original Post) pinebox Mar 2016 OP
I don't hate or pity Hillary. I distrust her and doubt she can win in November Vote2016 Mar 2016 #1
She loses in a General Election pinebox Mar 2016 #4
no pity from me either tk2kewl Mar 2016 #22
I don't hate her. But, I don't trust her at all. stillwaiting Mar 2016 #2
I'm in the same boat pinebox Mar 2016 #11
Where does the homophobic callosity figure in this thesis? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #3
100% understandable pinebox Mar 2016 #9
Uh huh. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #10
Thanks for respecting me. It means so much to me. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #14
Back atcha. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #15
I don't have the answer to that, but maybe Bernie can help you. Tanuki Mar 2016 #26
well-played, but still missing the point. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #27
Cruel alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #5
Cruel like Hillary pinebox Mar 2016 #7
Cruel alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #17
LOL! Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #6
Maybe it is a minor distinction, but I prefer the word despise to hate BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #8
Very nice. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #13
Hope you have a wonderful Monday! think Mar 2016 #30
You, too! Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #31
ok. n/t zappaman Mar 2016 #12
I can not have pity for someone wishing to cause my family harm. PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #16
I don't hate her, either. I think she's become so assimilated into the Borg The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #18
Borg you say? pinebox Mar 2016 #21
I rolled way past pity in 2008 / FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #19
I don't hate her, and don't pity her (not even a little bit). Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #20
Excellent summation of where we stand. I don't hate or pity her, but closeupready Mar 2016 #23
After the 15th I think pinebox Mar 2016 #24
Weird, isn't it, the arbitrariness of that date? Ongoing primaries and closeupready Mar 2016 #25
I pity anyone who has to defend her. arcane1 Mar 2016 #28
I distrust her. oldandhappy Mar 2016 #29
Neither hate or pity. I just think she's unfit to hold public office. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #32
kick n/t coyote Mar 2016 #33
I dont' dispise or hate her or pity her Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #34
Go ahead asuhornets Mar 2016 #35
I'm tired of the Clintons. I don't care about her trophy. Prism Mar 2016 #36
 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
4. She loses in a General Election
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:56 AM
Mar 2016

Should Hillary be the nominee, Dems will lose.
It isn't hard but I know that many refuse to accept that reality.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
2. I don't hate her. But, I don't trust her at all.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:56 AM
Mar 2016

And, should she become President I won't have any hope that our country will change for the better.

Since I do trust Bernie immensely, and I do believe he would do WHAT HE CAN to change the system (and the Democratic Party), it makes this Primary deeply personal and very emotional for me. The stakes in the Primary are much, much higher for me than the stakes in the General for a number of issues that are extremely important to me.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
3. Where does the homophobic callosity figure in this thesis?
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:56 AM
Mar 2016

Is there a way that I, a gay man, can pity her rather than hate her?

Tanuki

(14,920 posts)
26. I don't have the answer to that, but maybe Bernie can help you.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:56 PM
Mar 2016

After all, he seems to have made his peace with "homophobic callosity," as you put it, as long as there is an endorsement in it for him.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1476394



 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
13. Very nice.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:00 PM
Mar 2016

Are you one of those who denies the behavior of Bernie's army of goons, or do you simply accept it?

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
16. I can not have pity for someone wishing to cause my family harm.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:04 PM
Mar 2016

She knows she is in the wrong but does not care.

Her lack of transparency of the bank speech transcripts is proof that she is well aware of the destruction she is supporting and/or enabling.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,831 posts)
18. I don't hate her, either. I think she's become so assimilated into the Borg
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:10 PM
Mar 2016

of establishment politics that she doesn't even see what's wrong with what she does. It's kind of like those TV ads for air freshener where they talk about being "nose blind" - you can no longer smell something stinky if you're living in the stink all the time. Taking huge sums of money from corporations for speeches isn't bribery or corruption; it's just what's done all the time. Everybody does it. Vague promises of incremental improvements is all politicians offer because they don't want to stick their necks out by working for big changes, and thereby risk offending big donors. Same, old, same old is the way the establishment works. It's as corrupt as hell; does nothing for the rest of us; stinks to high heaven, but Hillary, like the others, can't smell it because she's been living in it.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
21. Borg you say?
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:18 PM
Mar 2016

Like this?
?w=780

I agree. She seems to have assimilated into something but what is still unclear. Hillary seems to take the stance of anything at any given time but not doesn't believe in much of what she says. When most of America sees your candidate as completely dishonest, there's a problem.

The constant capitulation, from her comments on abortion, to being open to the idea of raising the SS age, to calling for migrant children to be sent home is downright scary.

Note to jury--the photo posted is simply an illustration in response to comments I was responding to.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
20. I don't hate her, and don't pity her (not even a little bit).
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:17 PM
Mar 2016

She disgusts me. Let me just say, when you pity someone like her you will soon enough find your neck under their boot. When that kind of person is on the ropes, it's a great idea to keep them there.

I can spot arrogant entitled bullies a mile away, and she's one. She has done some nasty stuff, and it wasn't any one-off. That image she rolls out is a hollow act.

What sums it up for me is her heart-warming little friendship with Kissinger. Birds of a feather and all that.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
23. Excellent summation of where we stand. I don't hate or pity her, but
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:40 PM
Mar 2016

I think she is absolutely the wrong nominee, for every reason posted in your snippet here. K&R

By the way, I thought Daily Kos had PROHIBITED criticism of Hillary?

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
25. Weird, isn't it, the arbitrariness of that date? Ongoing primaries and
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:55 PM
Mar 2016

he's not even hiding his shilling for Clinton? I mean, this is. de facto, what the verb "shill" denotes. Sad how some people on our side have followed her down the rabbit hole.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
28. I pity anyone who has to defend her.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:00 PM
Mar 2016

You'll notice most of the time, they don't. They either attack the messenger or type pithy, one-word responses designed to trick you into thinking it's no big deal.

They fail every time. I pity anyone who fails every time.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
29. I distrust her.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:01 PM
Mar 2016

Years ago, before she left State, I wrote to her and asked her not to run for president but to use her talents and experience to help people in so many ways. Well! She is doing as she wishes. And she is doing it exactly as she wishes. She is helping herself. No pity. Win or not she is rich and will have a good life. The rest of us, as usual, get to live with the results.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
32. Neither hate or pity. I just think she's unfit to hold public office.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:12 PM
Mar 2016

See her support for IWR, cluster bombs, torture, death penalty, etc for explanation.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
35. Go ahead
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:25 PM
Mar 2016

and admit it. You hate her guts. Sorta of like when Democrats hated GWBush for stealing the election. It's that kind of hate.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
36. I'm tired of the Clintons. I don't care about her trophy.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:26 PM
Mar 2016

And that's all this is. A trophy she wants.

Fine, but why does her crap come at the expense of my family?

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