Clinton daily apology # 243:

[dixiegrrrrl]

Clinton Issues Longer Apology for Praising Nancy Reagan's AIDS Record.

"I Made a Mistake, Plain and Simple."

After praising the late Nancy Reagan for starting "a national conversation" on HIV and AIDS, then promptly apologizing in the face of intense criticism on Friday, Hillary Clinton has now issued a much longer explanation and apology, posted to Medium on Saturday night.

"To be clear, the Reagans did not start a national conversation about HIV and AIDS," she wrote. "That distinction belongs to generations of brave lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people, along with straight allies, who started not just a conversation but a movement that continues to this day."

"I've heard from countless people who were devastated by the loss of friends and loved ones, and hurt and disappointed by what I said. As someone who has also lost friends and loved ones to AIDS, I understand why. I made a mistake, plain and simple."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/clinton-hiv-apology-medium

[Metric System]

1. It's refreshing to hear a politician apologize.

[dixiegrrrrl]

8. the first 10 times maybe...

She has been "mis-spoking" way way too often.

In fact, here: she mis-looked!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511476992

[UglyGreed]

39. When it is so often

one has to wonder why..........

[merrily]

19. "I misspoke" is only another falsehood.

[Bluenorthwest]

34. I find it to be exhausting listening to the endless affected apologia.

Don't say you are sorry, take action to correct what you have done. She has a national platform from which she could educate the country about the true and suppressed history of those times. She brought it up of her own volition and she got it very wrong. She has a responsibility to make that right tenfold.

I have never been so completely stunned by anything said by a Democratic candidate for high office. I have no idea where her words would have even come from. I'm not sure if I should be angry or frightened. I'm not even sure she is well. That is not an insult. This is me saying to you that what she said was like saying 'Everyone knows the sky is a crimson red at high noon'. It's not even close to reality.

So she needs to deal with this. Or step down.

[Betty Karlson]

47. I refer Mrs Clinton to my advice here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511483223

[oldandhappy]

2. but it was what you were thinking in the moment

not so simple

[winter is coming]

3. The mistake she made was believing people wouldn't call her on her bullshit. n/t

[Kalidurga]

4. It was not a mistake.

A mistake which I have made many, is missing your exit on the highway, getting your class time wrong or wandering in the wrong room, wearing one black sock and one blue sock, reflexive inappropriate laughter, that kind of thing.

No, this was a gross error in judgement. I have made those too. They require more than an apology. They require a long conversation and you have to say what led you to making such a horrible error in judgement. Something like "well I was traumatized a whole lot by mean clowns as a child" it's not an excuse it's just letting people know you are human and well trauma can lead to bad judgement, but you will try harder to not scream and run away and push kids down at public events because someone made an animal balloon.

[lunamagica]

5. She should learn from Sanders, who never apologizes

[TCJ70]

23. Does he have something to apologize for? n/t

[lunamagica]

26. Of course he doesn't. Eerything he has done and said his whole life is perfect

To err is human...But Sanders is above human...he is just perfect.

[TCJ70]

33. I'm being serious...

...if you're going to insinuate he never apologizes, you must think he has something to apologize for.

Also, this didn't take long to find:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/dec/19/bernie-sanders-apology-hillary-clinton-dnc-data-breach-video

[lunamagica]

37. OK, a few things off the top of my head

Ghetto comment
Sierra Blanca
Women's rape fantasies

[TCJ70]

46. OK...

...I'll go with you on Sierra Blanca. The rape fantasies article was really about gender roles and norms in society in a strange way. If you want to know more about it, you can read it here. As for the ghetto comment, I'm just not sure about that one.

[Kelvin Mace]

31. Never? Really?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-apologizes-hillary-clinton-accessing-voter-data/story?id=35865025

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. She made a "mistake" in her calculations that she could attract LGBT votes by inserting HIV/AIDS

into her praise of the Reagans.

The best-laid schemes o' mice an' men gang aft agley. Robert Burns

[merrily]

21. Agley gets you every time! I love how DU paints epic pander attempt fail as a virtue.

"Let's see. How do I make up for not publicly saying until 2013 that I was okay with equal marriage?

[cherokeeprogressive]

30. Epic Pander Attempt FAIL. I like that. nt

[merrily]

36. Glad you enjoyed it.

[tularetom]

7. I still don't get why she made the remark in the first place

Did she mistakenly recall something that didn't happen? Or did she just tell a big whopper thinking that it was so long ago that nobody would remember?

I'm not sure which is worse, but the whole incident is so bizarre that it confirms that this is not a person we can trust with her finger on the nuclear trigger.

[dixiegrrrrl]

10. Some people have attributed it to shell shock from being fired at in Bosnia.

[tularetom]

11. Or maybe the despair of being flat broke when leaving the white house

[merrily]

24. Still devastated that sexist, ageist marine would not let her enlist a week after her wedding.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

13. she was trying for republican votes

Cause she knows she has lost the left. Centrists alone can't win her the nomination.

[Le Taz Hot]

22. Which is really funny because the Republicans

hate her.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

28. some of them apparently hate her less than trump

Or so she hopes

[merrily]

38. Dick Cheney praised her.

I think Republicans are sending their base--and Trump and Cruz--a message that they will vote for Hillary before Trump or Cruz because they think either of those two will lose them the general. In reality, they are prepping their base for a brokered Republican convention.

[pdsimdars]

9. NO! She should have CORRECTED the record.

Far from being a mistake to credit them with "starting a conversation", they BLOCKED all conversation.
Just the other day someone posted a telegram sent from Rock Hudson, a FRIEND of theirs, asking them to do something. Nancy refused. I think Rock died 9 days later.
They refused over and over. Far from not "starting a conversation", they refused over and over to do ANYTHING. Consequently thousands had to DIE until the Gay activists forced people to pay attention DESPITE the Reagans and people like them.
She brought the Reagans up in this context and now she needs to set their record straight!

[Metric System]

12. If Larry Kramer can accept her apology and explanation that speaks volumes.

[Bluenorthwest]

17. Larry is his own man. But here's what he said about Nancy four days before she died:

“The woman was a horror story. She was an over-sexed woman who was famous for it in Hollywood and she’s been made into some sort of saint. She was not at all what she appeared to be. Her husband was awful in terms of AIDS and one can only assume she was very much part of that.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/this-iconic-gay-activist-says-gay-men-should-take-responsibi#.qbJX66Z6z

[merrily]

18. No, it doesn't. He speaks for himself. So many victims of AIDS and their loved ones are heartbroken

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by her comments, as she herself said. Funny, her supporters act as though they believe everything she says, until she herself says something that interferes with their---whatever it is.

[cherokeeprogressive]

40. Who gives a fuck about Larry Kramer.

[Metric System]

41. Do you even know who Larry Kramer is?!? Sounds like you don't.

[cherokeeprogressive]

43. Of course I know who he is but that doesn't mean I have to accept the same apologies he does.

What a weird fucking notion.

If your friends said "jump off a bridge"... well you get the picture.

[Metric System]

44. "Who gives a fuck about Larry Kramer?" is dismissive of his role in the AIDS battle of the 80s.

[cherokeeprogressive]

48. The fuck it is. You know what context I meant.

This bullshit about not disagreeing with anyone who's ever done anything good in their life is one of the strangest things I've ever seen and is a staple of "Hillzie" behavior.

For your sake I'll add a couple words... Who gives a fuck whether Larry Kramer accepts Clinton's apology? He doesn't speak for me on this issue.

Now, let's see how you can misconstrue that... or is a bus in there somewhere only you can see?

[Bluenorthwest]

14. That's way more than a mistake. She demonstrated that she has not paid any attention starting in 92

when the convention which nominated Bill Clinton was full of activist voices, in Prime Time, condemning Reagan's inaction specifically and in detail. Elizabeth Glaser said 'My daughter did not survive the Reagan administration."

Bob Hattoy said this in an address to the convention: "AIDS is a disease of the Reagan-Bush years. The first case was detected in 1981, but it took 40,000 deaths and seven years for Ronald Reagan to say the word "AIDS." It's five years later, 70,000 more dead and George Bush doesn't talk about AIDS, much less do anything about it."


So she needs to clarify how she could and why she would make such a 'mistake'. She then needs to educate the nation on the truth she obscured for her own agenda's sake.

I have no idea how any Democrat could say what she said. I am still just flummoxed by her comments and saddened to find that the mindset of the Clintons has been this way all along, even when we thought they were listening at the 92 Convention they were not listening at all......

[merrily]

25. Thank you, Bluenorthwest!

FWIW, Nancy did not support stem cell research or speak out about Alzheimer's until Ronnie was diagnosed, either. So, that was wrong, too.

[Bluenorthwest]

29. Very true. And Hillary's comments credited Ron and Nancy, obviously he did no Alz' advocacy and on

stem cell research his son Michael says Ron opposed it and the other family members have not said otherwise.

[merrily]

35. That's two whoppers told about devastating illnesses in an apparent attempt to imbue herself with

some of the Reagan mantle vis a vis Republicans.

Talk about the Emperor's New Clothes!

[awake]

15. Hillary clearly said "WE started a national conversation"

I just review the video and Hillary clearly says "WE" maybe she thought that she could imply that she her self was involved in starting to bring up the issue of the need of finding a cure for HIV AIDS. Hillary often likes to take credit for the work of others like she did with Obama Care or the hard work of SOS John Kerry.

[cherokeeprogressive]

42. Yup. nt

[merrily]

16. When can we look forward to the apology about Alzheimer's/stem cell, which Reagan did not support

until after Ronnie was diagnosed?

BTW, I "misspoke" is a Nixonian non-admission. No one's mouth malfunctions to that degree. "What I said was untrue" is an admission.

[Le Taz Hot]

20. Which is exactly, word for word,

what she says about her "yes" vote on the IWR. Word for word.

[Bluenorthwest]

27. Yep.

It's exactly what she said.

[Ichingcarpenter]

32. Lack of Judgement.. Not showing careful thought

Lack of planning on the decision to make that false statement. Not someone I want in charge who makes rash statements.

[BernieforPres2016]

45. Now she needs to say why she made the mistake

Seems like it has to be one of only two reasons:

1. She was ignorant of the history, which is kind of incredible for somebody who claims to support LGBT issues and was an adult who was very involved in the politics at the time.
2. She knew the history, but made the political calculation that she could get away with misstating it to pander to moderate voters who like the Reagans without having any idea how hurtful it would be to the LGBT community and many people beyond that community.

Is there another possible reason I'm missing? And if not, which is it Hillary?