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FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:17 PM Mar 2016

No Howard we Bernie Supporters are not going to Shut Up

Shit Howard - you more then anyone else should object to the 3rd Way / DLC Smear Machine's relentless attacks on Bernie. They virtually claimed responsibility for taking down your 2004 campaign. They dismantled your winning 50 State Strategy handing the House and Senate over to Tea Farty Republicans. And they, the 3rd Way/DLC Smear Machine has driven the Democratic Party and the country to the Right at every turn

And that is what Bernie supporters dislike the most about Hillary's campaign.

Relentless Smear Jobs being perpetrated by 3rd Way Board members, which are nothing more then the repackaging of Bill Clinton's DLC. They are Democratic Party members awash with 3rd Way Campaign Cash, and former Clinton Administration officials masking their self as political commentators in the media. It is disingenuous, its dishonest, and all too often the lies are proven totally false

So What - you want us to just suck it up and just accept another Wall St financed Pack of Lies.

Face the Facts - Hillary's New Found Progressive Positions are totally unproven, brand-new to her, and yet to be seen in action positions of Hillary Clinton. They are in fact a response to the popular field polling results of the positions held by Bernie Sanders. All this amongst $Millions of Donations by Wall St interest and backed by an extremely conservative machine named after her husband's centrist philosophy known as "The Third Way". The same group advocating for the dismantling and Privatization of Social Security.

Ok, ok, I get it - there is a New Flavor of Kool-Aid in town

Just don't expect too many Bernie Supporters to drink it



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No Howard we Bernie Supporters are not going to Shut Up (Original Post) FreakinDJ Mar 2016 OP
Howard Dean is now a lobbyist for the health insurance industry. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #1
Indeed.... corruption is so hard to avoid in the big leagues Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #30
self made bully PatrynXX Mar 2016 #39
It's that: "I've got mine..." mentality at play. Raster Mar 2016 #99
How sad. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #107
Dean is becoming a cautionary tale to the rest of the superdelegates. Good. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #2
Doesn't his brother support Bernie? Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #106
His tweet about trees was hilarious revbones Mar 2016 #3
Email saved more trees FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #4
I know someone who Gwhittey Mar 2016 #19
So does Trump greiner3 Mar 2016 #59
Excellent reply! annie48 Mar 2016 #103
Oh Bravo! Faux pas Mar 2016 #5
once again I ask olddots Mar 2016 #6
Howard Who ?? FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #7
Howard Traitor. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2016 #10
He's long been on the Sanders enemies list SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #35
You keep on harping malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #43
Bye SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #49
I did nothing wrong malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #50
Yes, you did. bvf Mar 2016 #77
No response then? Hissyspit Mar 2016 #98
I hope to see you eat your words on that one FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #69
Isn't the sell out Howard Dean related to the racist Paula Dean? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #16
Dean's been bought and paid for. Big $$$$$$$$$$$'s buy loyalty. RKP5637 Mar 2016 #8
WE. Please edit your OP to change US to WE. Sorry. Just a pet peeve of mine. K&R Hiraeth Mar 2016 #9
Good catch! Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2016 #12
Thanks. Good OP. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #13
Hi, I can't take credit for the OP, not mine, but I like it RKP5637 Mar 2016 #17
Ok I made a few edits FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #22
Yep, I know exactly what you mean! BS artists that sell out for $$$$$'s. The fakes! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2016 #34
You can call me an old fuddy duddy (not familiar with the current word), but Doitnow Mar 2016 #82
Exactly so, Doitnow. greymouse Mar 2016 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author Doitnow Mar 2016 #80
Why are you sending this to me??? RKP5637 Mar 2016 #81
So SORRY, my bad!!! Please excuse. Doitnow Mar 2016 #83
Hi, that's OK. Thanks for getting back to me! RKP5637 Mar 2016 #84
Curl up to your money, Howard, and let us get on with the campaign. oldandhappy Mar 2016 #11
Of course M$NBC loves to roll him out for commentaries. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2016 #14
and never mentions he is a LOBBYIST pdsimdars Mar 2016 #18
Despicable. PassingFair Mar 2016 #54
Oh how the mighty Dean has fallen. I wasn't one of his supporters during his presidential run, Karma13612 Mar 2016 #71
I'm with you Plucketeer Mar 2016 #91
Same here. Karma13612 Mar 2016 #96
They do! I noticed that. oldandhappy Mar 2016 #58
What a self-serving ass he's turned out to be. TwilightGardener Mar 2016 #15
Isn't that something! sammythecat Mar 2016 #29
total sellout and smearer amborin Mar 2016 #20
All this and Donald Trump's attacks on Bernie FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author DUbeornot2be Mar 2016 #37
The revolving door politics gives the Dem party with an endless supply of 1%ers FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #70
yes, and this has been the case right along, hasn't it? amborin Mar 2016 #42
Howard is furious that we won't let them rewrite the history we have lived. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #21
People don't remember that Howard was raised on Wall Street money. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #23
Words of Wisdom from Howard Dean noamnety Mar 2016 #24
Howard's fall from grace is disgusting FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #26
In a quick minute, his brother's group might be coordinating with some others to rebuke him silvershadow Mar 2016 #27
I loved Howard Dean when he was speaking for me. PassingFair Mar 2016 #53
I do too, and I continue to wish him well with his efforts! Shows that even the best can silvershadow Mar 2016 #66
Maybe Hillary has promised him a cabinet position... Like HHS... PassingFair Mar 2016 #67
Joe Lieberman- ugh. What a DINO he was. Thank you for the link. :) nt silvershadow Mar 2016 #72
Howard Dean - Sellout To The 1% cantbeserious Mar 2016 #28
Seems to be the pattern for 3rd Way Democrats FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #57
And that is no lie! PatrickforO Mar 2016 #31
+ 1,000,000 CentralMass Mar 2016 #32
The Beatles said, "I don't care too much for money, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #33
"Need that cash to feed them jones." lasttrip Mar 2016 #36
The "good doctor" has become addicted to snake oil. bbgrunt Mar 2016 #38
It didn't have to be this way Dr. Dean. Or is it Dr. Green? Like fmr PA Gov. ED RENDELL (D) appalachiablue Mar 2016 #40
'Fix the Debt' is a Third Way group FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #44
Isn't that special, our very own saboteurs. Things have got to really, really change. Fast. appalachiablue Mar 2016 #46
Don't worry - Hillary is a Lefty .... now FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #51
The New Left's Emma Goldman, in a pantsuit. Ahhh... appalachiablue Mar 2016 #56
Mr. Dean................................it's really simple........................ turbinetree Mar 2016 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author appalachiablue Mar 2016 #45
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #47
Howard Dean used to be the cool guy speaktruthtopower Mar 2016 #48
Howard Dean wasn't even a true Vermonter. TRoN33 Mar 2016 #52
It is sad and disappointing that Dean has left us. nt Duval Mar 2016 #55
Sell out traitors are the lowest of the low. 99Forever Mar 2016 #60
The pressure to sell out in this system is yuuuuge! RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #76
Howard Who? dpatbrown Mar 2016 #61
If Bernie can pull a couple of more upsets this Tues, I think it will be time to tell Howard to STFU jillan Mar 2016 #62
+ 100 and threee 'amens' nt Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #65
So disappointed in this man and his cynical, cynical moves. Glad to have Bernie! highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #63
Bernie sure changed Hillary's tune FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #87
There Is Tons Of Corporate Cash For Sellouts - Deal With It Yallow Mar 2016 #64
When have Clintons ever deal with campaign cash in our elections FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #68
Dean has always be coarse in his dismissal... gregcrawford Mar 2016 #73
Howard Dean on the finer points of influence peddling in Washington beedle Mar 2016 #74
"Howard Joins the Oligarchy" - DNC ...similar to "My Pet Goat" - Bush crime syndicate Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #75
It's been over 10 years. He's changed a lot in that time rpannier Mar 2016 #78
Pretty much - YES FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #79
You expect Howard, former chairman of the DNC and a lifelong Dem to throw over the Dem Party? kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #85
He turned to the Dark Side now FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #86
LaLaLaLaLa, I can't hear you, Howie. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #88
+1000 FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #90
+1 zentrum Mar 2016 #89
scream/cackle fierywoman Mar 2016 #93
Thank you ... Jopin Klobe Mar 2016 #94
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #95
Bravo, Bravo! SoapBox Mar 2016 #97
What a weasel he turned out to be. pacalo Mar 2016 #100
After they did it to Howard FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #101
I thought the same thought, FreakinDJ. pacalo Mar 2016 #102
This is not the same Howard Dean I supported in 2004 nikto Mar 2016 #104
How Did Something So Right Go So Wrong? corbettkroehler Mar 2016 #105
This business hurts so much. beerandjesus Mar 2016 #108
As thorough a sellout job as will ever be found. snort Mar 2016 #109
No, you shut up Howard. liberalnarb Mar 2016 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Mar 2016 #111
No thanks Howard. "I am in the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party." Gore1FL Mar 2016 #112
I believe the MSM derailed Dean, not the DLC. FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #113

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
1. Howard Dean is now a lobbyist for the health insurance industry.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
Mar 2016

He knows which side his bread is buttered on. Alas, how the mighty have fallen...

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
39. self made bully
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:42 PM
Mar 2016

alas bully's usually are about as effective as a piece of wood it getting people to shut up. and I used to respect that guy wow . worst ones are the traitors to there ideas. Bernie hasn't exactly turned on his ideas.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
3. His tweet about trees was hilarious
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:22 PM
Mar 2016

Basically he said something like "I saved thousands of acres of trees, so don't call me a sellout"

Um, yeah. The same as "I did something good once with trees, so that excuses me being a lobbyist and owned by Hillary now..."

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
19. I know someone who
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:35 PM
Mar 2016

-Created the modern autobahn system
-Encouraged the development of the Volkswagen
-Stabilized the German economy and eliminated foreign debt

Listing a few good things does not make ones future actions OK Dr.Dean.

annie48

(11 posts)
103. Excellent reply!
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:52 AM
Mar 2016

Great reply to Howard Dean's so called saving trees! I worked so hard for him in the 2004 ele tin and not he is stooping to the establhment rhetoric. Sad.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
35. He's long been on the Sanders enemies list
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:34 PM
Mar 2016

Appears SNL is now added since they had the gall to do a skit last night on Bernie where he (Larry David) referred to his supporters as "annoying" and advised them to "get a life."

malletgirl02

(1,523 posts)
43. You keep on harping
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:48 PM
Mar 2016

on that enemies list. Disagreement is not an enemies list. Howard Dean and SNL are much more powerful than Bernie Sanders supporters. You think Bernie Sanders should just take it when we are insulted. Taking exception to being insulted is not having an enemies list. Sanders supporters are no much for the powerful Howard Dean and SNL.

SNL is just a TV show, I owe no loyalty to it. It has its opinion , and I have mine. SNL has millions of viewers, and I am just one person. My opinion is not going to hurt SNL.

malletgirl02

(1,523 posts)
50. I did nothing wrong
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:00 PM
Mar 2016

You are the person who started it. you were constantly insulting me in the other thread, and now you put me on ignore. You can dish it out, but you can't take it.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
98. No response then?
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:40 PM
Mar 2016

O.k.

I saw plenty of Sanders supporters here and on Facebook saying they thought the SNL skit was funny. In fact, that's pretty much all I saw.

The Hillary morphing into Sanders skit was more spot on though.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
69. I hope to see you eat your words on that one
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:01 PM
Mar 2016

As correct as the polls have been lately it might be sooner that you think

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
16. Isn't the sell out Howard Dean related to the racist Paula Dean?
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:34 PM
Mar 2016

They seem to have that "right wing" thing in common.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
8. Dean's been bought and paid for. Big $$$$$$$$$$$'s buy loyalty.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:26 PM
Mar 2016

If we don't get the money out of this democracy, or whatever it's called anymore, this democracy experiment is going to be short lived. F, just the wealth distribution curve and Citizens United tells one just how F'ed the US is for millions and millions as the US waves flags and pretends to be a democracy. Equality in the US is a cruel joke.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
17. Hi, I can't take credit for the OP, not mine, but I like it
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:34 PM
Mar 2016

when grammar is corrected. One hears so many errors it's easy to get it twisted.

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
82. You can call me an old fuddy duddy (not familiar with the current word), but
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 07:18 PM
Mar 2016

I am 81 years old and really dislike the use of the "F" word and other similar words over and over again in many posts. I am a total Bernie fan. Wild horses couldn't keep me from voting for him. BUT, I have to tell you, it is really a turn-off for me when I see language used like the above on posts. Tell me to "get with it." but if I feel like that, you might consider how many others in my demographic as they go to the polls, people needed by Bernie. I usually stop reading such posts and I just hate the reflection on Bernie who has followers who are too lazy to look up in a dictionary some other more useful terms. Clean it up, folks!! Those terms have long lost their punch.

greymouse

(872 posts)
92. Exactly so, Doitnow.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

I am used to people with no manners nowadays, but I respect the opinions of people who have common decency more. Also, the use of such language indicates a lazy mind and a lack of taste.

Response to RKP5637 (Reply #17)

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
54. Despicable.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:13 PM
Mar 2016
http://billmoyers.com/story/tell-the-truth-about-bernies-health-care-stand/

snip>"And look at former presidential candidate and single payer advocate Howard Dean, Bernie’s fellow Vermonter, who went on MSNBC this week and said that the Sanders plan “would in fact undo people’s health care… That is something people should be concerned about.”

Why the change of heart? Maybe because Dean “now serves as senior advisor to the law firm Dentons, where he works with the firm’s Public Policy and Regulation practice, a euphemism for Dentons’ lobbying team,” Lee Fang reports at The Intercept. “… The Dentons Public Policy and Regulation practice lobbies on behalf of a variety of corporate health care interests, including the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America [PhRMA], a powerful trade group for drugmakers like Pfizer and Merck.”

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
71. Oh how the mighty Dean has fallen. I wasn't one of his supporters during his presidential run,
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:10 PM
Mar 2016

but when I learned about him years later, he sounded like a cool guy.

Now, not so much.

What a disappointment.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
91. I'm with you
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:51 PM
Mar 2016

There was a time - not too long ago - when I thought Dean was a star of the left. No more. I consider myself a person of principles, but after seeing SO MANY public servants take the bait - hook, line and sinker - I have to wonder what MY price might be.

Honestly, I think I might easily be "bought" if I could remain anonymous. But to take the cash AND maintain a prominent visibility - THAT would be a much tougher choice!

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
96. Same here.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:41 PM
Mar 2016

This level of money and sell-out is so far out of my sphere of imagination.

But, I guess we do all have a price.

And I guess we need to remember the nature of elected officials.

Anyone that runs for President of the US has a fairly HIGH level of both confidence and ego.

But, I like to think that Bernie and Elizabeth Warren might be buy-proof.



sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
29. Isn't that something!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:08 PM
Mar 2016

It's hard for me to understand how a man could turn like this. All the things he said, and so passionately and convincingly. And he was right, he was absolutely on the right side of things. I had all the respect in the world for him.

I confess I haven't really been paying a lot of attention to him other than what I come across here on DU, but it seems he has completely betrayed his own principles, and for what? More money? Is that what this is all about? If true, that's really pathetic. I used to consider him a real champion. Now... disgust is the only emotion he inspires in me. From champion to weasel, well done Howard Dean, you had us all believing in you, for a while.

Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #25)

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
70. The revolving door politics gives the Dem party with an endless supply of 1%ers
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:03 PM
Mar 2016

just ask the Clintons

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
21. Howard is furious that we won't let them rewrite the history we have lived.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:41 PM
Mar 2016

'We get to say anything uncontested and how dare anyone question us? We are the Party, you are our guests, sit down and take what you are served!!!'

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
23. People don't remember that Howard was raised on Wall Street money.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:59 PM
Mar 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dean#Early_life_and_education


East Hampton and New York City childhood

Dean was born in East Hampton, New York, to Andrée Belden (née Maitland), an art appraiser, and Howard Brush Dean, Jr.[14] He is the eldest of four brothers, including Jim Dean, Chair of Democracy for America, and Charles Dean, who was captured by the Pathet Lao and purportedly executed by the North Vietnamese while traveling through Southeast Asia in 1974.[14][15]

Howard's father worked at the stock brokerage firm of Dean Witter. The family was quite wealthy, Republican, and belonged to the exclusive Maidstone Golf Club in East Hampton. As a child he spent much of his time growing up in East Hampton; the family built a house on Hook Pond[16] there in the mid-1950s. There the boys– Howard, Charlie, Jim and Bill– "rode bikes, played with a model train set, [and] built elaborate underground forts." While in New York, the family had a three-bedroom apartment on the Upper East Side along Park Avenue.

Howard attended the Browning School in Manhattan until he was 13, and then went to St. George's School, a preparatory school in Middletown, Rhode Island.[17] In September 1966, he attended Felsted School, UK, for one school year after winning an English Speaking Union scholarship.[18]

Political opponents have been reluctant to seize upon Dean's privileged early life. UPI quoted one of Dean's friends in his youth as saying, "By Hamptons standards, the Deans were not rich. No safaris in Africa or chalets in Switzerland. Howard's father went to work every day. He didn't own a company, or have a father or grandfather who founded one, as mine did."[19] Peggy Noonan wrote in the Wall Street Journal that "he doesn't seem like a WASP. I know it's not nice to deal in stereotypes, but there seems very little Thurston Howell, III, or George Bush, the elder, for that matter, in Mr. Dean.... He seems unpolished, doesn't hide his aggression, is proudly pugnacious. He doesn't look or act the part of the WASP...It will be harder for Republicans to tag Mr. Dean as Son of the Maidstone Club than it was for Democrats to tag Bush One as Heir to Greenwich Country Day. He just doesn't act the part."[
 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
24. Words of Wisdom from Howard Dean
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:01 PM
Mar 2016

"Q: Last week, for instance, you said the three senators' decision to support the 2002 Iraq resolution, quote, "calls into question their judgment and ability to sort out complicated issues regarding the most crucial decision any president has to make," in a conference call with New Hampshire reporters.

That's a harsh indictment. And I'm wondering today do you still feel that way.

DEAN: I do. We were presented with a series of facts. I came to a different conclusion than the senators did on those facts. My conclusion was that there was no Al Qaida in Iraq, as the president intimated. My conclusion was that Iraq was not about to acquire nuclear weapons, as the president intimated, and as the British intelligence reports reported the opposite of. My conclusion was that we'd successfully contained Saddam Hussein.

People have questioned my foreign policy experience, and the retort that I make is, that with patience and judgment, I was able to sort out, in fact, the idea that the president was not being candid with the American people ..."


I wonder if he stands by that statement today.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
27. In a quick minute, his brother's group might be coordinating with some others to rebuke him
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:05 PM
Mar 2016

if he is going to act this way. He hedged his bets, and it appears his political barometer is broken.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
53. I loved Howard Dean when he was speaking for me.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:09 PM
Mar 2016

Now he's speaking for another "group" that doesn't include the working class.
His defection touches me deeper than most.

I think it is funny that he expects to have loyalty on Facebook when he makes
posts supporting the corporate wing of the democratic party.

His posts are destroyed in minutes with ridicule, and dissenting responses from his former supporters. The supporters
haven't changed their tunes, HE has.

I feel sorry for Jim Dean.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
66. I do too, and I continue to wish him well with his efforts! Shows that even the best can
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:31 PM
Mar 2016

sometimes be swayed by money. Sadly, it will tarnish his legacy. How much so will likely remain to be seen. Howard has always been outspoken, and much is recorded for posterity. The clear difference is/will be easily discernible to even the most oafish. Sad that he has chosen this path.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
67. Maybe Hillary has promised him a cabinet position... Like HHS...
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:42 PM
Mar 2016

That would make me happy, but it would be unlikely that she would follow through on it.
She wouldn't be able to trust him.

If you've got a LONG time, watch this. Howard talking about his objections to the ACA,
when he was pushing for "public option" that was SO doable, save for Joe Lieberman, and
what is wrong with Wall Street and insurance companies running our health care system.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?315175-1/howard-dean-remarks-health-care-private-sector

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
33. The Beatles said, "I don't care too much for money,
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:14 PM
Mar 2016

for money can't buy me love." Seems they were wrong; money evidently bought Dr. Dean's love.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
40. It didn't have to be this way Dr. Dean. Or is it Dr. Green? Like fmr PA Gov. ED RENDELL (D)
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:45 PM
Mar 2016

who left MSNBC commenting due to his position as co-chair of the billionaire- funded 'Fix the Debt' campaign to dismantle Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, along with his lobbyist work for the banking and technology industries.

So many prominent Democrats turned away from Democratic Party values to become lobbyists for the industries they once regulated as elected officials, after leaving office. For example, BARNEY FRANK, former Congressman from MA, now a board member of the Signature Bank of NY claims Bernie's banking reforms aren't practical and the tepid Dodd-Frank legislation is enough to manage the big banks.
CHRIS DODD, former CT Senator took mortgage favors from Countrywide Financial and left office in 2011 to work as a lobbyist for the MAA, Motion Picture Assn. of America after he told constituents he'd never become a lobbyist.

https://www.credomobilize.com/petitions/msnbc-disclose-fix-the-debt-co-chair-ed-rendell-s-conflicts-of-interest-when-bookin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Rendell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Frank https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Dodd

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
46. Isn't that special, our very own saboteurs. Things have got to really, really change. Fast.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:54 PM
Mar 2016

Hard Left Turn...

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
41. Mr. Dean................................it's really simple........................
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:46 PM
Mar 2016

it's called principles and trust, and the Third Way was given that mantra at one time--------------they failed

And when the BS is /was all said and done, we / us saw what the Third Way DLC represents, we got economic injustice, poverty, and the selling out for greed, and that we / us were the problem, when we /us weren't the problem-------------

I live off Social Security and two small pensions, why would I want to give that earned Union contract money and a eighty year old promise to a bankster who plays three shell monty to make a buck----------------------no thanks

I am just curious as to how much the Denton Law firm pays him now, that he has become a have, as well as being placed with the tag on how much he makes as a lobbyist, and a strategic consultant to us / we have not's


https://theintercept.com/2016/01/14/howard-dean-lobbyist/



Honk----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016


Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
52. Howard Dean wasn't even a true Vermonter.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:07 PM
Mar 2016

He came to Vermont, became the governor then quickly left after he completed his term. He doesn't even mingle with Vermonters often as most governors would.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
60. Sell out traitors are the lowest of the low.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:04 PM
Mar 2016

You got your pieces of gold and only had to surrender your integrity and the respect of every decent human being in the world. Yay for you.

Go screw yourself Howard. You are irrelevant.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
76. The pressure to sell out in this system is yuuuuge!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:16 PM
Mar 2016

If you started tallying all the politicians who've gone over to the Dark Side, you'd get very discouraged, very quickly.

One more reason to admire Bernie Sanders. As Amy Goodman (another rare example of integrity) might say, Bernie is "the exception to the rulers."

jillan

(39,451 posts)
62. If Bernie can pull a couple of more upsets this Tues, I think it will be time to tell Howard to STFU
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:15 PM
Mar 2016
 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
63. So disappointed in this man and his cynical, cynical moves. Glad to have Bernie!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:20 PM
Mar 2016

Let's face it, Bernie is someone to stand up with, and that is one of his greatest qualities.

That he fosters this standing up is also completely valuable. Gives people the opportunity to express their own dissatisfactions with the way things are run and have been run.

It's about time, and Bernie is the one leading the way. I am so happy for him. I am so happy for us!!!

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
68. When have Clintons ever deal with campaign cash in our elections
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:59 PM
Mar 2016

"only when they are counting it"

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
73. Dean has always be coarse in his dismissal...
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:56 PM
Mar 2016

... of anyone who disagrees with him. When he was governor here, he tried to hustle the people of Stockbridge into accepting the expansion of VT Route 107 to accommodate more truck traffic off of I-89. His friends to the south of us in Woodstock didn't want them rumbling through their picturesque and very rich little town on US Route 4, an they didn't want a bypass, either. He got quite testy when we asked very pointed and knowledgable questions. My estimation of his character fell a few notches after his visit to our little school. Now it's headed rapidly toward nonexistence.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
74. Howard Dean on the finer points of influence peddling in Washington
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:22 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/04/lee-fang-howard-dean-advises-corporate-health-care-clients-to-fund-both-sides-run-attack-ads.html

DEAN: Even without the Citizens United decision, I’ve advised a lot of clients in the industries that I usually end up working with, which are mostly healthcare industries, not to give any money to either side, or if you do, give it to both sides because politicians really don’t know much about the issues. They really don’t. But believe me, they remember who gave money and they remember those ads. […] But they remember the ads, and they remember who was on whose side and who wasn’t, and it makes a big difference.


Gee, so tell us Mr. Dean, who do you think Hillary will 'remember' if she gets elected?

rpannier

(24,330 posts)
78. It's been over 10 years. He's changed a lot in that time
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:48 PM
Mar 2016

He is a defender of privatizing public schools and of Michelle Rhee
He lobbies for the insurance industry

They ought to be prevented from stating any preference until after all the states have voted or they lose their special vote status
They all ought to lose it anyway

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
85. You expect Howard, former chairman of the DNC and a lifelong Dem to throw over the Dem Party?
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 07:38 PM
Mar 2016

Be realistic. Although I always thought did think he was more talk and BS than "real."

fierywoman

(7,686 posts)
93. scream/cackle
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

I keep wishing/praying that where Howard Dean's scream led to will be where Hillary's "cackle" goes.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
97. Bravo, Bravo!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:17 PM
Mar 2016

Especially the "former Clinton Administration Officials" part...

A whole mess of what has now become Entrenched ELITE Establishment types...out in full force, shilling for "her".

Fuck them all is what I say! They have been rushing out of the shadows, with a last grasp at their dying power, to spew all sorts of BOO! crap.

No...More...Clintons! EVER!

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
102. I thought the same thought, FreakinDJ.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:22 PM
Mar 2016


This party has a lot of work to do when these primaries are over because of the damage that has been done against Sanders & his supporters.
 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
104. This is not the same Howard Dean I supported in 2004
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:08 AM
Mar 2016

Methinks he had an alien embryo transplanted into his spinal cord, and he is now
no longer human like he used to be. He's clearly turned corporatist.

A recent x-ray of Howard Dean's abdomen, with
the corporatist, mind-controlling parasite clearly visible ...



Plus Howard Dean's association with the odious Teach For America just cements his conversion to full-out
hostile alien mutation.

http://nancyebailey.com/2015/02/02/how-yeee-haw-howard-dean-is-way-off-base-concerning-teach-for-america/

http://www.salon.com/2015/02/10/teach_for_americas_truth_problem_tfa_advocates_arent_being_honest_about_education_reform_their_own_agenda/

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
105. How Did Something So Right Go So Wrong?
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:14 AM
Mar 2016

I'm with you 100% but still don't understand exactly where Howard made his sharp turn. Perhaps it was when Obama installed Tim Kaine as DNC chair. Your thoughts?

beerandjesus

(1,301 posts)
108. This business hurts so much.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 08:59 AM
Mar 2016

Howard Dean was one of my political heroes in the 2000s. When the Democrats (aided and abetted by the media) elbowed him out of the race in 2004, not only did I vote for Nader, but I deliberately registered as a Democrat so that it would sting more.* When he sold out and became a lobbyist, I looked the other way; I figured he had paid his dues as a populist, and if he wanted to make a few bucks now, well, he's only human. (Sorta like how I forgive Bob Seger for all those shitty albums he made after 1972 or so.) But to see him sink this low......... well, it really makes me sad. I'd like to take the attitude of some of my fellow Bernie supporters here, and say, "well FUCK YOU TOO, HOWARD!" but the whole business is just a tragedy.


* Attention jury, in case this is alerted on for violating an implicit loyalty oath: My vote for Nader was strategic. I was living in a state where the conclusion was foregone.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
110. No, you shut up Howard.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:31 AM
Mar 2016

You're a sellout. A fake. You used to be for single-payer, now you're an insurance lobbyist.

Response to FreakinDJ (Original post)

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
112. No thanks Howard. "I am in the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party."
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:03 AM
Mar 2016

Gee, I forgot who I am quoting...

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
113. I believe the MSM derailed Dean, not the DLC.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:43 PM
Mar 2016

On Dec 1st, on Hardball with Chris Matthews, when dean was up in the polls by 20 points, He said this:

MATTHEWS: Are you going to break up the giant media enterprises in this country?
DEAN: Yes, we’re going to break up giant media enterprises. That doesn’t mean we’re going to break up all of GE.
What we’re going to do is say that media enterprises can’t be as big as they are today. I don’t think we actually have to break them up, which Teddy Roosevelt had to do with the leftovers from the McKinley administration.



A couple of months later, the "scream" happened. Now some say Dean was already down and starting to trail in the polls, but, the Media made sure of that!! The Scream was played almost a 1000 times on TV, what was basically a mike ramped up to overshadow the crown and portray Dean as crazy. It was BS, but I think Dean put a target on his back starting with that Matthews interview promising to break up the Big Media.
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