Oh, Dr. Dean, we hardly knew ye.

[mac56]

Howard Dean Verified account
?@GovHowardDean

Sorry to disappoint. Fed up with Bernie supporting cyber bullies and negative campaign tactics against HRC who I like and respect

[dana_b]

9. I was the one who asked him about the SDs

and now every time that post is mentioned, I get a Notification. I've had tens of thousands of Notifications since then so yeah, I'm sure that he is tired of it all.

[malthaussen]

27. As I noted at the time...

... I do believe you pissed him off. Now, where's my violin?

-- Mal

[malthaussen]

12. He was, however, perfectly correct in saying so...

... so I'd suggest your gripe is more with the system than any individual? Areyouright? Well, no, actually.

-- Mal

[Pat Riots]

51. people within a system have a personal responsibility

for what they do or do not do within a system. especially if the system is undemocratic, and they are specificly asked to not reinforce the undemocratic nature of the system.

Bernie won 80% of the vote in Vermont. Hillary earned zero pledged delegates in Vermont. The Vermont SDs should respect that, and if they dont, they are going to hear about it.

not sorry at all if he is feeling the pressure over this.

Vermont has a Progressive party, and Dean etc. are shooting the Vermont Democratic party in both feet. some people are trying to help Dean etc. understand the damage they are doing, because they clearly dont get it.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

102. So he's incapable of doing the right thing because the system allows him to do the wrong thing?

[malthaussen]

123. Incapable? Hardly.

But your assessment of "the right thing" is based on a misunderstanding of the role of a superdelegate. It's not hard to understand. The SDs serve the party, they do not serve the people. If one thinks it should be otherwise, his disagreement lies with the policy that creates superdelegates, not with the delegate. It is rather a strange expectation to insist that Mr Dean should violate the rules of the system that appointed him.

-- Mal

[mac56]

2. Dr. Freud, to the projection room, please... Dr. Freud...

[pdsimdars]

3. Dean is now a lobbyist. . I hope everyone knows this.

[Ferd Berfel]

99. Interesting ho no one in M$M ever mentions that he

is a highly paid corporate whore now. They just call him former Gov rather than Lobbyist

He is meaningless to progressives now.

[Duval]

107. Yeah! He sure isn't the same guy who ran for President. nt

[Enrique]

4. he appears to be referring to the Nancy Reagan thing

people pointing out that what Hillary said wasn't true is negative campaigning and cyberbullying.

[Betty Karlson]

7. Oh that explains. Activism is only appreciated when it is "silent activism".

Raise your voice in protest, and all of a sudden you are a bully - and a sexist and a racist and a socialist and a unicorn-rider and a complacent millennial who will go to Hell for sleeping with millennial boys and...

[Wilms]

8. Apparently, he misremembers and should be reminded that...

[Betty Karlson]

13. He is straight and bought and paid-for.

I don't think he cares anymore. Like Clinton, he has sold his integrity and expects to be rewarded for it.

[Karma13612]

21. That just about sums it up!! Not sure it there's enuf room on my jean jacket for all those

buttons!!

LOL!!

Came home Friday from work and since nearly all the snow is gone on the front lawn, hubbie had already "planted" our lovely "Bernie16" lawn sign.

Cannot wait to vote for this guy in NY state.

[Betty Karlson]

29. That's why I wear dresses: more cloth to pin things on! eom

[Karma13612]

32. Brilliant!! eom...

[PowerToThePeople]

5. Democracy

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy

Full Definition of democracy

plural de·moc·ra·cies

1
a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

2
: a political unit that has a democratic government

3
capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the United States <from emancipation Republicanism to New Deal Democracy — C. M. Roberts>

4
: the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority

5
: the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges

And to think, I was a Deaniac in '04.

The people are speaking, and they are pissed off. Some will be non-PC. Sorry Howard, that is how it goes. Bernie supporters are tired of being labelled sexist and racist by Hillary supporters, you have anything to say about that? Didn't think so. Good-bye.

[djean111]

6. Who, exactly, is surprised or disappointed about a lobbyist siding with Hillary?

And lying about Bernie? Not me.

[ladjf]

11. I thought that I knew Dr. Dean better than that.

Oh well, there goes another person I used to respect into the "bought out" bin.

[Karma13612]

23. I know, it's sad. Very disappointing. eom

[Wilms]

10. That subject line needs correcting.

It's "Health Insurance Lobbyist, Howard Dean".

See, a doctor takes a Hippocratic oath. Being a Health Insurance Lobbyist is not compatible.

[restorefreedom]

14. another corporate sellout on team hillary. what a shock. nt

[malthaussen]

15. More proof that Hillary's camp is really Republican...

... the irony-impairment is pretty thick in this one.

-- Mal

[JTFrog]

24. Yeah, that's a brilliant analysis.

[Marr]

79. I think you've got something there.

There really is a distinctly Republican tinge to the way that campaign operates. It's all mudslinging, divisiveness, playing the victim... without a hint of self-awareness. They seem to have a Republican-like inability to perceive hypocrisy.

[demwing]

130. FYI: Results of (the) Jury Service

On Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:04 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

More proof that Hillary's camp is really Republican...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1481699

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

It is very offensive to have posts repeatedly attack Hillary Clinton as a republican...she is a life long Democrat and has done much for the Democratic Party. This is a Democratic Board. Democratic Candidates are not to be equated with being republicans

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:10 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If Howard Dean is talking about 'cyber bullies', 'Republican' is no worse.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: These posts are in poor taste, but I don't see anything that violates the rules of DU.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[malthaussen]

131. Oh, I disagree with juror 7.

It is interesting that accusing a campaign of being Republican is in poor taste in that juror's opinion.

Thanks for the results. I was unaware that if a post was alerted on, the poster was not informed of the fact. Seems like a flaw in the system. Why, who knows whom I may have been insulting in the past without having the foggiest notion (or intent) of doing so!

-- Mal

[SCantiGOP]

138. Ridiculous

I had a post hidden for saying that a Sanders supporter's comments would be the same thing we would see later on GOP sites attacking Clinton. It was hidden 4-3 because I had "accused the poster of being a Republican."

Guess it helps to have an anti-Hillary post so you can win 7-0 rather than a much, much milder criticism of Sanders with 4 Bernie supporters on the jury.

[sus453]

167. That was me, and

I am embarrassed to say that I thought I was voting on a post right next to yours in the jury query. Also, the person who flagged you said that Hillary is a lifelong Democrat which, if if she was a Democratic Goldwater Girl, might be true. So, my apologies.

[malthaussen]

168. Think nothing of it.

The alert, now that may have been in questionable taste...

-- Mal

[Hiraeth]

16. no need for apology. the disappointment is mutual.

[DefenseLawyer]

17. Why does he presume that anyone cares what he is "fed up" with?

Sorry to disappoint, Dr. Dean, but no one cares.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

50. Don't you feel slightly silly posting that in a thread with (so far) nearly 50 responses? N.T.

[DefenseLawyer]

57. I should feel silly for not caring what Howard Dean thinks?

Okay, you got me. Deep down, in places I can't even understand, I really really care about Howard Dean.

[SCantiGOP]

18. Look up last night's SNL skit

You can find it in Youtube. It has Bernie apologizing for the behavior on-line of his supporters.

[malletgirl02]

20. Why is Bernie solely responsible for his supporters?

I seen plenty of nasty things said by Hillary supporters.

[SCantiGOP]

34. He isn't, but

I was just pointing out the overly-aggressive nature of his supporters, especially online, is so obvious has become the source of satire on SNL.

[mac56]

36. Overly-aggressive? Projection much?

[SCantiGOP]

41. If not,

Why was that the subject of the Bernie satire. If there's not some truth to it the joke would fall flat; instead it got a huge laugh

[TM99]

100. Because propaganda works!

Tell a big lie long enough and many will believe it.

[SCantiGOP]

135. So, SNL

is now part of the grand conspiracy against the Sanders campaign? Delusional.

[TM99]

137. I love when Clinton

supporters continue to prove to me why I will never support them or their candidate.

Propaganda is not a conspiracy theory. The delusional ones are like yourself - you refuse to see what is really happening and what the consequences will be.

[questionseverything]

153. so snl also did a satirical piece on hc pretending to be bernie

highlighting her "say anything,be anyone" campaign

[malletgirl02]

38. Hillary supporters are just as agressive.

I have been personally insulted by her supporters on this site. Hillary supporters are not babes in the woods.

[SCantiGOP]

42. See reply above

And look up the skit and see why it got such a laugh.

[malletgirl02]

46. So it got a laugh

Apparently you are fine with the aggressive Hillary supporters. Hillary supporters can insult anyone they want and get away with it.

[SCantiGOP]

52. Forget it, that's not the point

They didn't do a skit about Clinton's supporters; they did one that has Bernie apologizing for how "annoying" his supporters are and telling them "get a life." Your refusal to address that issue but turn it into an attack on Clinton shows why the satire is on the mark and therefore funny.

[malletgirl02]

56. You attacked Sander's supporters first.

I have been personally attack by Clinton supporters on this site, and according to you that is ok. My point still stands. You also attacked me by saying that I don't have a life simply because I disagree with you. You are also on a political message board on a Sunday ao apparently to don't have a life as well. For you Clinton and her supporters can attack and it is fine with you.

[SCantiGOP]

67. I didn't do squat

I referred to a national TV show that had a skit which centers on the - to use the words in the skit - "annoying" nature of many Sanders' supporters and had him advising them to "get a life."
That was the skit, not me, understand? You are just showing why the skit is based in reality. Complain to SNL and put them on the Bernie enemy list of everyone else who disagrees with you.

[malletgirl02]

70. I have no Bernie Enemy list

What is wrong with me disagreeing with the skit? Why do I just have to take it when I get insulted due to who I support. SNL is a national TV show and has more power than I do. If a show made fun of you due to who support you wouldn't like i right so it is the same here. What you are saying is what when insulted I just have to take it.

[SCantiGOP]

75. No enemies list?

MSNBC, DNC, former President Clinton, President Obama, John Lewis, Jim Clyburn, etc etc: a quick search would find hundreds of comments denigrating these people.

[malletgirl02]

84. I personally don't have an enemies list

Not all Bernie Sanders supporters are the same. I am not like that. My point is Clinton supporters do the same thing and you have no problem with it. That is my problem you assume you know about me, but you don't.

The fact that you tar me with the comments of others confirms my point. I personally said nothing about any of these people and you accuse me of having an enemies list.

[Number23]

143. Someone linked to it in this thread. Absolutely spot on

"I'm great but I'm not five posts a day great. With all due respect, Get a life."

Brilliant. But if only it was "five posts a day" that would actually be a dramatic, majestic improvement.

[Fawke Em]

146. And Clinton supporters don't post proflically?

Whatever.

[Number23]

148. I don't know what "proflically" means and I don't believe you do either.

I just love how you guys are so perpetually angry and riled up you have to respond to EVERY SINGLE POST that's not flattering of Sanders, even if it is beyond clear you have absolutely nothing to say and your responses have absolutely nothing to do with the post you're responding to.

Case in point:

Fawke Em
146. And Clinton supporters don't post proflically?

Whatever.

Profound. The only thing funnier than this post are the violent red squiggles underneath "proflically."

[malletgirl02]

160. SNL also did a skit

about Hillary Clinton literally becoming Bernie Sanders to get votes was that spot on also? Also I know many Hillary supporters who should get a life.

[Number23]

166. What a valuable contribution to this conversation. Thank you so much for that

and for corroborating my comment about people being so riled up and angry they have to respond to EVERY SINGLE POST that's not flattering to Sanders.

[mac56]

53. Truth.

[Blue_In_AK]

142. Hillary's pandering and co-opting of Bernie's positions

has also been a subject of SNL satire. It's what they do.

[PowerToThePeople]

28. Link.

[Dont call me Shirley]

61. That skit was fucked up.

[beedle]

140. That had nothing to do with bullying

... annoying being that his fans are posting too many praises of Bernie. That was obvious if you actually paid attention to what was being said.

[malletgirl02]

19. Let me get this straight

Howard Dean never calls out Hillary and her supporters for their negative comment toward Bernie and his supporters. Hillary and her supporters can say whatever they want, while Bernie and his supporters need to be brought to heel. I get that now.

[JTFrog]

22. Gonna need a bigger bus.

Under he goes.

[malletgirl02]

26. That phase does not

mean what you think it means. Simply disagreeing with someone is not throwing them under the bus. Throwing under the bus is when there is a scandal and some underling takes one for the team for the bigwig.

[JTFrog]

33. Oh please.

It means to "callously dispose of" amongst its other uses and fits this thread perfectly. It has been used as such throughout the history of DU.

Under the bus: (1) To betray, (2) to callously dispose of, or (3) to pass blame onto another.

[malletgirl02]

35. If that is the case

Then Dean is throwing Sanders supports under the bus, but because they have the audacity to criticize Hillary.

[JTFrog]

40. Those of us who actually read through this thread know better, but

thanks for playing I guess.

[malletgirl02]

43. I read the thread

Dean called me a cyber bully he started it.

[theaocp]

45. Um, yea. When he has the interests of the people again, let everybody know.

For now, he put himself under the wheels for the money.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017338394

[SusanCalvin]

156. Fine. I hereby throw him under the bus, where he threw me. nt

[malletgirl02]

39. So Bernie Sanders Supporters

are supposed to stand there and be insulted as cyber bullies? Hillary supporters can say whatever they want and Bernie Sanders supports have to take it. I get it now.

[JTFrog]

49. I understand that the truth hurts,

but it is what it is. The nasty attitudes and attacks from his supporters ha e been beyond vile and bullying. It's been on display in this very forum for almost a year now. Nobody has to stand by and be insulted. A better option would be to recognize, address and attempt to stop their behavior instead of pretending it isn't a real problem.



Good on those like Dr. Dean and Senator Warren for calling it out and telling it like it is.

[malletgirl02]

58. My point still stands

According to you Hillary and her supporters can say whatever they want and not be held into account I get it.

[JTFrog]

62. No that was just you talking to yourself. n/t

[malletgirl02]

66. I get it only Hillary supporters matter

Also there have been constant insults toward Bernie Sanders supporters on this board.

[Number23]

150. Well said, Frog

I can't understand why people are acting like this is new. This has been a recurring theme for damn near an entire year. Dean isn't saying anything that hasn't been said 100 ways by 1000 different people.

I'm also astounded at the precious feelings of those so torn up over the SNL skit posted in this thread. A light hearted post from a member of Sanders' team making fun of Clinton and her "I don't know where he was in the 90s" statement by stating "right behind you" got damn near 600 recs and I didn't see a single Clinton supporter whining in there, though I didn't read the whole thread. But an SNL skit is "bullying?" Such delicate feelings.

I thought the "right behind you" bit was funny, but it's not going to change one dang thing in this election, 6 jillion recs or not.

[JTFrog]

159. Yep.

Kind of makes all those nasty comments about a certain candidate playing the "victim" card all the time seem rather hollow.

[DefenseLawyer]

111. Teacher says "Whenever a Clinton supports says 'Under the Bus' an angel gets his wings"

Th-th-that's right! That's right!

[leftofcool]

113. Did he already get thrown under there just for supporting Hillary?

[JTFrog]

116. Yup. n/t

[kacekwl]

25. He is not in politics anymore

Why can't he just go about his new job of ass kissing and bribery . No need to hear from him.

[malletgirl02]

30. People questioning Hillary Clinton are cyber bullies?

That is ridiculous. Hillary Clinton made a major gaffe and she is being held in account for it. Feudalism is over we don't owe homage to our feudal lord.The people are sovereign, the politicians are suppose to work for us not the other way around. Howard Dean is saying that we shouldn't be questioning Hillary Clinton, that is authoritarian, and it is kind of scary.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

64. Actually, notice the ambiguity of how he phrased it.

'Fed up with Bernie supporting cyberbullies'

If you were a low info voter who trusts Dean, you could read that as Dean saying the Bernie is the one supporting cyberbullies.

A very Machiavellian tweet.

[sammythecat]

136. Wow, very perceptive observation there.

Machiavellian indeed! Like that two color optical illusion that could be a vase or two faces. I wonder if that was accidental, or was he really being a clever shithead.

[Blue_In_AK]

144. That's exactly how I read it.

If he was going to use "Bernie supporting" as an adjective describing the cyber bullies, it should have been hyphenated, i.e., "Bernie-supporting cyber bullies." I think his intent is very clear, unless he just doesn't understand grammar. The way this is written, it means that Bernie supports the cyber bullies. Not cool at all.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

147. It's actually the grammatically-correct way to read it.

If he were trying to say that it was supporters of Bernie, I believe it would be "Bernie-supporting" not "Bernie supporting".

[Blue_In_AK]

149. Yes, exactly.

I just edited my post to say that at the same time you were posting.

I am a proud grammar Communist.

[SusanCalvin]

161. Yep. Without the hyphen, it means "Bernie supports."

Hmmm...

Actually, now that I think of it, to mean that it would really need to be "Bernie's supporting."

Maybe Dr. Dean is just not too good at grammar....

[leftofcool]

115. Tell that to John Lewis

[FarPoint]

31. Howard Dean is the real trailblazer from Vermont.

I have followed his lead for 15 years.

[hobbit709]

44. do you follow his lobbying now?

[pinebox]

96. "The REAL trailblazer"

because apparently in the eyes of you Hillary supporters Bernie isn't and you elude to him being a fake.
Yeah Dean is such a Trailblazer he has sold his soul to pharmaceutical companies https://theintercept.com/2016/01/14/howard-dean-lobbyist/ Yeah, that's being a trailblazer lol
Sorry but I'll take the guy who has integrity.

[FarPoint]

128. Howard Dean is indeed a working man...

A very common temp job for the Great Doctor Dean. I'm fine with it....Now cyber-bullying...I am NOT a fan and agree 100% with Howard Dean. Dean speaks for me.

[pinebox]

129. lol Howard Dean sold his soul

to lobbyists.
Howard Dean speaks for you? Really? Obviously you'd sell your soul too.
It's funny how "evolving" in your camp apparently means becoming more conservative.

[xloadiex]

37. Of course

He probably has some pharmaceutical favors he's ready to collect on.

[olddots]

47. Dean doesn't know who his freinds are

he just wants to hang out with the rich kids .

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. Well Dr Dean, when people mispeak

they are going to get more than just "cyber bullies." They are going to lose votes.

[Cobalt Violet]

54. He turned out to be a nasty hot mess.

How the fuck does this happen to someone?

[Else You Are Mad]

60. Simply put...

money. Lots and lots of money.

[99Forever]

69. Two words:

SELL OUT.

[Dr. Strange]

145. REA$ON$

[ConsiderThis_2016]

55. I remember...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511147522 TY

[Else You Are Mad]

59. Jimmy Dore

... had a really good segment on his latest podcast regarding how corrupt Dean has become re: his stance on superdelegates. It is worth a listen, Dore is usually spot on and hilarious.

[mac56]

68. "The Superdelegate is Superdelicate!"

I love it!

[ConsiderThis_2016]

63. Maybe President Obama had the big picture...

when he decided not to bring Howard on board his admin.

[EndElectoral]

65. Ever since his excited yell in Iowa he's joined the DWS crowd.

[DCBob]

71. Did it ever occur to you Bernie folks that you all might be wrong?

Virtually every Democratic leader has endorsed Hillary Clinton, even those from Bernie's home state. Doesn't that give you pause that you might actually be wrong about her? That maybe your bias is clouding your judgement? Why else would all these good Democrats be supporting her? Are they all corrupt or fools or being duped?

There is no good reason other than they simply believe she is our best candidate.

[DCBob]

80. The Democratic Party is the only thing between us and a complete takeover by RW lunatics.

You clearly have no clue.

[DCBob]

88. There is no actual "Independent Party".

The Democratic Party is the only Party in the game that can stop the GOP from taking over this country lock, stock and barrel.

[DCBob]

94. Until you all form a party of your own you will need to work with the Democratic Party..

as Bernie has done for decades.

[DCBob]

98. Feel free to do what you want..

The bottom line is only the Democratic Party can stop the GOP at this point in time. Most informed voters realize that.

[TM99]

103. You simply refuse to understand.

The Democratic Party does not contain enough registered voters to stop the GOP without the leftist independents.

Calling us names, insulting our intelligence, and being dicks to us is really not the way to get our vote.

Running a serial liar with neoliberal economic policies that benefit the have's and harms the have not's is not the way to get our vote.

You must not be one of those informed voters if you don't realize the simple math of the situation. If y'all can not form a coalition with those outside of your party, you will lose. It is all rather simple.

[DCBob]

105. What's with the nasty name calling?? "dicks"?? really??

Taking a cue from Trump? Get lost.. once again.

[TM99]

119. I didn't call you a dick.

I said those that act like dicks by insulting us and calling us name are not going to get our vote.

But if you want to pretend otherwise so you can level yet another insult at us by tying us to Trump, well I guess the shoe just might fit.

[PCPrincess]

122. Where is the Bad Language You Reference?

I don't see it. In this instance you had a discussion with an intelligent individual who laid out very clearly the rationale for his/her choices with no snark, and no 'foul' language, yet you replied with a complaint about name-calling. Why?

[Dem2]

92. I'm an "independent"

Though none of my friends would believe that.

Most independents lean heavily toward one party I think.

[Ed Suspicious]

104. Nope. That never occurred to me. Right is right. I'm secure in that.

[DCBob]

108. Fascinating.

[JoeyT]

117. Well, she cuddles up to Henry Kissinger.

Am I wrong about that? Did my eyes deceive me? Does she not hang out with and admit to taking advice from one of if not the nastiest war criminal alive?

Apparently every Democratic leader doesn't really care about poor brown people in other countries, no matter how many are slaughtered. It's not an uncommon attitude among American "progressives", so it's not surprising.

[dana_b]

151. "your bias is clouding your judgement?"

Nope - her words and actions are determining my judgment. I've stated my reasons literally 100s of times now on this website. And if the past two days of out and out lying doesn't make you understand, than nothing will.

"Why else would all these good Democrats be supporting her? " - I think some genuinely like her, some are afraid to support Bernie, and some are in the same pockets that she is. Also I do not like the way that the Democratic party has gone. It is too conservative for me and the head, DWS, is a great example. I think she is as dishonest as they come. So the idea that there are all these "good" Dems out there, well, I just don't see it.

But I can let Hillary speak for herself.

[SusanCalvin]

157. I'm sure they do believe she is our best candidate. Thing is, I disagree. nt

[ibegurpard]

164. Did your parents ever say to you

When you were complaining about how all the other kids got to do something and you didn't "everyone else is jumping off a bridge doesn't mean you should too." Going along with crowd is not always the right thing to do. We are at a point in this country where we need politicians with courage... not ones that go along to get along. Politicians are not generally respected for their bravery or principles... sometimes unfairly but often deservedly. Bernie has stood virtually alone on some huge issues (I'm thinking you Patriot Act) where others took the easy road. I trust him to do the right thing. Hillary I don't.

[DCBob]

165. I think in this case the "everyone else" are the parents and teachers telling the kids what to do...

and the kids refusing not to do it because they think they are smarter.

[Marr]

73. And the Hillary campaign just keeps on missing the point.

The different character of these two campaigns has been crystal clear to anyone who isn't a diehard fan. HRC's campaign has wallowed in deceitful attacks and divisiveness, while Sanders has tried, I think to a fault, to avoid all of that. His criticisms of Hillary may seem harsh, but they're also based on facts.

People just aren't as stupid as the Hillary campaign seems to think.

[Dem2]

74. Nothing new here

[Zorra]

77. Pointing out facts that are evidence of lies, of corruption, and of slanderous and libelous

accusations is not cyber bullying, nor engaging in negative campaign tactics.

[Skwmom]

78. Dean: It's okay that Clinton LIES about Bernie. Plus, taking online Bernie supporters

as true Bernie supporters is STUPID. However, you have your lobbyist paycheck to earn...

[messiah]

81. LOL

He has always been a moderate. I don't understand the surprise. I guess people can't distinguish the difference between charismatic rhetoric and political positions.

[Larkspur]

82. Howard missed the "Obama Boys" smear so he has to jump on the "Bernie Bros" smear bandwagon

Sure sounds like the HRC campaign talking points for their surrogates.

[LongTomH]

83. Another former hero turns to the Dark Side

[ConsiderThis_2016]

85. I'm glad you posted this. TY

I wanted to post on the other Dean thread, but it said I could not post in the Hillary group. It seems like I've been locked out like a young female (B)lack (L)ives (M)atter individual... from a Hillary Clinton private fund raiser event, at some rich persons house.

[RufusTFirefly]

87. Almost no one STARTS OUT corrupt...

... It's an incremental, almost imperceptible process, much like the frog in the slowly heating pot of water (even though that analogy is scientifically suspect). That's what's so insidious about it.



And that's what's so special about Bernie. He doesn't appear to have been corrupted. Yet.
Almost NO ONE is incorruptible.

Founder of Anti-Drunk-Driving Group Now Lobbies for Breweries

[itsrobert]

89. Howard Dean under the bus

[basselope]

93. Howard Dean has left the democratic wing of the democratic party.

[ScreamingMeemie]

95. That is the first thing that went through my mind when I read that Tweet last night.

[notadmblnd]

101. Oh- go tell it to your corporate masters Howie.

[Nightjock]

106. He has become like Dennis Miller

I remember when Dennis Miller was a mostly very funny comedian on his HBO show and other stuff.
Than 9/11 happened. He literally took a ride on Air Force One with falsely selected president bush and afterwards became one of the most unfunny, sad comics I have ever seen.

I'm not equating Hillary with bush. Just comparing how far a person can fall from where they were.

[stupidicus]

109. DR. heal thyself

you're afflicted with the sickness many of your former, but rapidly dwindling number of supporters, once thought you wished to cure

[LovingA2andMI]

110. He's Dead To Me (In A General Hospital -- Sonny -- type a way)

Sorry to say, I used to admire this person.

[Not Sure]

112. Boo fucking hoo

Posturing to prove loyalty to corporate masters and political powers. His words are worth less than nothing. Soulless and empty. I hope it was worth it.

[Stellar]

114. So, this primary is all about who he likes and respect? eom

[PWPippin]

118. I was a Deaniac from Maine and one of his state delegates.

A ritual burning is being planned for my Dean t-shirt.

[Billsmile]

120. Dean Could Never Disappoint

Gotta like how Dean only sees negative campaign tactics coming from the Sanders folks.


The take-away here is that Hillary, Brock, Gensler, & Podesta are models of moral campaign purity.

[fbc]

121. Howard Dean? the lobbyist?

I don't care what lobbyists have to say because they are paid to have opinions.

[Beacool]

124. Well, he's only telling the truth.

[snort]

125. Disappointing people can be very profitable.

[dragonfly301]

126. Dean is fed up with Bernie's supporters

I'm fed up with Hillary and her swiftboating Bernie's record on Civil Rights, Health Care, Auto Bailout... In the 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon kind of game, I win.

[George II]

127. Howard Dean has been a well respected DEMOCRAT for decades.

[mac56]

132. Perhaps. And more's the pity.

[ScreamingMeemie]

133. As one who hit the ground for him in 2003, I can say he was not well respected by the Establishment

then. We shouldn't pretend he was, and I don't care who anyone is supporting for President. That is simply the fact. It makes me incredibly sad. That was the only time I ever maxed out on donations.

[malletgirl02]

134. You can't kick me in the teeth

and expect me to vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination. For the record I will vote for Hillary if the wins the nomination, but after all the insults toward Bernie Sanders supports by Hillary supporters, and the way I was treated by DU Hillary supporters up thread it is getting damn hard. I will vote for her if she wins the nomination, but I will not give any money nor volunteer for her.

[felix_numinous]

139. Mistaking the truth for hate

People are angry, liberation will require some dust ups, it is messy. Because losing civil rights, human rights, healthcare and basically our democracy--has been fucking messy. I could see years ago that stressed out people having melt downs would be made by the 1% into PAWNS, incited blamed and baited into projections of their own rejected angst.

There are people behaving badly in each group, taking this process out on each other. It is crucial to distill the purpose, direction and focus of this movement, and to recognize these desperate attempts to derail Bernie Sanders. There is a lot of $$$$$$$$ behind it, and it has become clear where people's loyalties lie.

We have never been at such a crossroads, not in many years.

[beedle]

141. policitics is not bean bag ...

... or so they say when they attack Sanders ("not beanbag", "just vetting", "wait till the Repubs get at him", etc.)

Then go running home to mommy when someone fights back.

The only thing worst than a 'bully' is 'a bully and a coward'

[shanti]

152. he needs some of his own medicine

and to think i supported his primary run...

[hopeforchange2008]

154. Poor Hillary. So victimized.

Hoisted by her own petard is more like it.

[white_wolf]

155. Paul Wellstone would be disappointed.

I guess Dean's talk about being from "the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party" was just that: talk.

[SusanCalvin]

158. "Bernie supporting cyberbullies"? Please.

"Negative campaign tactics"? You mean pointing out lies and half truths? Oooooookay.

[NCjack]

162. I remember Howard Dean, when he was noble. /nt

[jfern]

163. Ridiculous that he is ignoring the will of the Vermont voters