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Funny thing I noticed is that all the associates of mine who favor Hillary are ALL more conservative (Original Post) BigBearJohn Mar 2016 OP
Why is this funny? Bernie is probably the most liberal person to run for president in a generation. anotherproletariat Mar 2016 #1
Not really. Bernie does not fit the liberal profiles, Hortensis Mar 2016 #14
And I would put my democratic chops against anyone's Democratic chops who thinks she's better. Fearless Mar 2016 #2
You might be onto something here - at least for DU? ebayfool Mar 2016 #3
I agree BigBearJohn Mar 2016 #4
Fun test. I match 96% for Bernie, 92% for Hillary, Hortensis Mar 2016 #17
She is Third Way and then some. And they are about to be shown the door. silvershadow Mar 2016 #5
Hillary is more conservative ... Onlooker Mar 2016 #6
New York isn't that conservative a state jfern Mar 2016 #8
Compared to Vermont it is Onlooker Mar 2016 #10
1964 was the only time VT voted Democratic for President until 1992 jfern Mar 2016 #11
Yeah, but for the last 24 years it's voted Democratic Onlooker Mar 2016 #12
The majority of the NYC congressional delegation voted against the Iraq war jfern Mar 2016 #16
The Hillary supporters I know are obsessed with the idea of people wanting free stuff. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #7
Like free $2 trillion wars in the middle east? jfern Mar 2016 #9
Sounds republican to me. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #15
Exactly. That is what Republicans spout all of the time. Nt stillwaiting Mar 2016 #21
Clinton is to the right of Obama. That is one of the reasons she lost in 2008. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2016 #13
you misconscrue conservativism with pragmatism my friend beachbum bob Mar 2016 #18
Cool story bro. n/t JTFrog Mar 2016 #19
Of course. He even beat Hillary in South Carolina with self-identified "very liberal" voters. Vattel Mar 2016 #20

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. Not really. Bernie does not fit the liberal profiles,
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:15 AM
Mar 2016

neither personality nor politics, although he has endorsed many liberal positions as he voted with his Democratic colleagues, most of whom are liberals, for the last quarter century.

I'm a strong liberal, and Bernie's to my left.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
3. You might be onto something here - at least for DU?
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:49 AM
Mar 2016

Take a peek at this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511480853

It's a post about http://www.isidewith.com/ and seeing which candidate you're best matched with.

I took it and was surprised to see I only matched DU at 60%. That might account for some of the head butting between the Sanders v Clinton camps.

I'd be curious to see if this fits with what you've observed.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. Fun test. I match 96% for Bernie, 92% for Hillary,
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:39 AM
Mar 2016

91% for Jill Stein. I don't know anything about Jill, but Bernie has extremist traits that make me wary of him. We impose strong constraints on our presidents, but still I feel more comfortable with Hillary. We are both liberals by personality, and I do not believe Bernie is.

Bigbearjohn, by far most people I meet are less "left" than me, so I'm not at all surprised you find the same thing. I imagine we differ in our notions of where we ourselves fit on a left-right spectrum. I do not consider everyone to my "right" automatically "more conservative." Conservatives would be way over on the other side of a lot of liberals from where I am.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
5. She is Third Way and then some. And they are about to be shown the door.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:11 AM
Mar 2016

I could not be happier about it if she was giving me a reach-around.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
6. Hillary is more conservative ...
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:24 AM
Mar 2016

... but then again she represented a more conservative electorate than Bernie. It's worth noting that on the issues where Bernie was "conservative," it was issues important to his specific state, such as gun rights and the stealth bomber. But, on most issues, he did not need to deal with conservatives.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
10. Compared to Vermont it is
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:41 AM
Mar 2016

Look at its recent Senators. Hillary perhaps is the most liberal of them: Schumer, Moynihan, D'Amato, Javits, Gillibrand.

New York is not that conservative, except on money issues and outside of New York you have a lot of conservative areas. The New York State Senate has been generally had a Republicans majority for a long time.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
11. 1964 was the only time VT voted Democratic for President until 1992
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:46 AM
Mar 2016

When Bernie was elected to the House in 1990, it was still a pretty Republican state. Vermont was one of only 2 states to vote Republican in 1912 and 1936, and the only state to vote Republican in both of those elections.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
12. Yeah, but for the last 24 years it's voted Democratic
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:59 AM
Mar 2016

I lived in Vermont in the early 1980s and had family living in rural Vermont in the late 1970s and 80s. Liberals were clearly in the ascendancy, and since Clinton, VT has been perhaps the most liberal state in many respects, certainly more liberal than New York.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
16. The majority of the NYC congressional delegation voted against the Iraq war
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:23 AM
Mar 2016

Hillary has no excuse for voting for the Iraq war.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
18. you misconscrue conservativism with pragmatism my friend
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:32 AM
Mar 2016

I am very liberal and don't see any path for sanders to win the white house because I am pragmatic....and clearly understand how the rightwing machine would destroy sanders for the november election...I also know not a single program sanders wants to happen has more than a )% chance of becoming law as congress still has rules in place that will allow obstruction of such bills...so its great to throw out there pie-in-the sky ideas...its another to actually think to make it happen.....any way after tuiesday, hillary's delegate lead will be insurmountable...because primaries are about delegates....not wins....

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