Supporters leave county democratic convention in frustration

[NWCorona]

DES MOINES, Iowa -
Supporters of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton became agitated Saturday at the Polk County Democratic Convention.

Polk County democratic leaders said the process began smoothly until Clinton supporters challenged the first count, asking for a credential check for all the delegates after falling behind by more than a dozen votes compared to caucus night.

Polk County Democratic Chair Tom Henderson granted the credential check, but the process isn’t a simple one – and takes time.

The delays led to Sanders supporters becoming frustrated, with some at the convention leaving before the final count was tallied.

Henderson said conventions in a presidential election year usually takes a lot of time.

He recalled 20 years ago how the convention lasted until 2 o’clock in the morning.

Final numbers have not yet been announced.

http://m.kcci.com/news/supporters-leave-county-democratic-convention-in-frustration/38484946

[itsrobert]

1. Why would people leave?

Maybe the ones that did not have credentials? They didn't want to get caught?

[winter is coming]

3. They'd been there for ten hours and needed to go to work? n/t

[Lizzie Poppet]

4. It had been going on for over 10 hours.

A lot of people were, apparently, just running out of gas, or had to leave for work, etc. Deliberate tactic by the leadership there, as each successive recount had fewer Bernie supporters. eventually, it looks like they ended up at a slight Hillary advantage, and delegates evenly split (so Bernie gained over the initial tally at the caucuses).

CoffeeCat has a great thread going on this, if you haven't seen it. Lots of eyewitness reports, and she has video that she should be able to post at some point (her phone's out of juice).

[itsrobert]

6. Sounds more plausible

that when they started checking credentials that people without them left before they were caught.

[Lizzie Poppet]

7. Since they apparently trickled out over the course of several hours, after considerable protest...

...I'd say that you have a rather different take on what constitutes "plausible" than I do.

[Gwhittey]

8. It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'plausible' is.

- Bill Clinton

[cui bono]

18. Only if you are trying to smear a certain candidate's supporters.

That is NOT what happened.

Go read CoffeeCat's first hand reports on this.

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[roody]

33. Your credentials were checked on arrival.

Nobody needed fake credentials. Every alternate was seated.

[Ed Suspicious]

35. That sounds more plausible to you?

Interesting.

[Else You Are Mad]

25. Sometimes

... the mental gymnastics that people expect everyone to go through to believe the less plausible conclusion is amazing me this election cycle. No matter how much something is said or how much others want us to believe to the contrary, sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one. After that many hours, anyone would want to/need to leave...

[madfloridian]

5. Hey, read the posts here by CoffeeCat today before you argue about it.

[UglyGreed]

26. Funny how the blame is

always shifted and the Sanders supporters are somewhat dishonest. IMO this pure projection.....

[rhett o rick]

9. Bingo blame the victims. Maybe they got tired of the shinanigans that have been part of the

tactics of the Clinton camp across the country. I think they operate to different principles. More like win at all costs.

[NWCorona]

11. Work, kids, life?

There's a range of reasons.

[Hydra]

15. I think you need a bigger catapult

Maybe if you get that, you can lob the body of that plague victim over the walls.

[roody]

32. They had family obligations.

They had dinner plans at 5.

[All in it together]

34. The Clinton campaign head person there was telling people that we were done at lunch time, to go

Home. We weren't on schedule to be done until this evening after Hillary's people asked for more counts this afternoon.

Some people were so frustrated about the Clinton tactics that they left. Rather than have their credentials checked again. Everyone of Sanders delegates were listed on the party's computer check in lists. We followed the rules while Hillary's people changed the rules to suit themselves.

[rhett o rick]

36. Funny how those that cheat think that others cheat too. You miss the whole point

that we are fighting for honesty in politics. Something the Clinton side knows nothing about.

[liberal_at_heart]

2. I hope the Democratic party realizes this is only going to drive more people out of the party.

[rhett o rick]

12. When you say "Democratic Party" if you mean the Corp-Owned Party Elites, then I would say, they

don't care. Their main goal is to get candidates approved by Goldman-Sachs (the Oligarchy) into the WH and stop all progressives from passing Go.

The Democratic Party Elite like Wasserman-Schultz are controlled by the Oligarchy and have no allegiance to the grass-roots. Ms. Wasserman-Schultz wasn't chosen by the grass-roots but by the Party Elite (Ruling Class).

[Doctor_J]

17. That is what they are hoping for

If Sanders supporters take over the party, their gravy train for Clinton and Schultz and Rahm and their ilk will be permanently decommissioned. A takeover by FDR dems is their worst nightmare. It is clear by how during this cycle they have deliberately pushed away literally millions of young voters.

[liberal_at_heart]

21. Well with 40% of Americans now identifying as Independents deliberately driving people

out of the party is a dangerous game. Sometime very soon a third party will have enough support to challenge both parties.

[catnhatnh]

10. I'd like Democratic chairman Tom Henderson expound further

on the 96' primary which lasted until 2:00 in the morning. You know-the one where incumbent president Bill Clinton took 50 states from Lyndon Larouche who received a total of 0 delegates nationwide. Was that a barn-burner in Iowa or is Good Old Tom full of shit?

[druidity33]

13. yeah, me too. K&R, nt.

[Metric System]

14. Sanders supporters are complaining when THIS is the outcome?!? :

Official count from Polk Co convention: 114 state delegates each for HRC and Bernie. On Feb 1 HRC won 53.2% in Polk, Bernie 46.2%.

https://twitter.com/desmoinesdem/status/708810735690784768

Caucuses are crap.

[cui bono]

19. So you don't care about accuracy, we should just be thankful for what we get regardless?

Once upon a time EVERYONE on DU cared about democracy.

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[Metric System]

23. Democracy? The people in Polk voted for Hillary! But that's not reflected in today's results.

[cui bono]

24. Yes, actually, you're right about that. The caucus method needs to be eliminated.

As do superdelegates. Then maybe the people's voices can be heard. Oh, and no electronic voting either.

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[KPN]

22. If that is accurate, you have a rteason

to be pissed. I know I would be about the many other Iowa delegate shenanigans that shorted Bernie if they are accurate.

[TheFarseer]

27. I'm a bernie supporter and if the delegates don't vote the way the people voted

That would not be right. Granted, I don't fully understand what's going on here. What I do understand is that caucuses are not an accurate way to pick a candidate.

[PatrynXX]

29. so you don't like our American ways

hey fine stay out

[Uglystick]

16. There was even a motion requesting the county chair and the committee to resign

which passed nearly unanimously.

[Cassiopeia]

28. It's long past time to end this caucus bullshit.

one vote per person that can be easily counted and verified.

If any other country was having an election process like this our government would be outraged and vocal against it.

I would love to see UN election observers weigh in on this nonsense.

[hopemountain]

31. the clinton coyotes are so

wiley - they are out wily-ing themselves. it is so important to them to win the nomination they will cheat and trick their way. but the people know the truth. this will not end well for hillary and her bill - and rahmn, for that matter.