Hillary Clinton didn't "misspeak". She miscalculated. Maybe she thought no one was listening.

[cherokeeprogressive]

She miscalculated in the worst possible way. She insulted and hurt tens of millions of people who INSTANTLY recognized her revisionist history. She lied. LIED.

Then she lied again by saying she "misspoke".

This is NOT the person we want representing our country and its government to the world. Her miscalculations on the world stage are already evident. We don't need her miscalculating this country into another war or wars. Once the shooting starts, it won't stop just because she says "I'm sorry, I misspoke."

[bigwillq]

1. K and R

[treestar]

63. THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Geez they are getting desperate. And they claim it is about policy - yet fixate on this instead.

[Metric System]

2. Oh come on. There was no upside to her comments. It was a gaffe. Period.

[democrattotheend]

3. I agree

I don't see what the political benefit of her comments was, and the fact that she apologized so quickly afterwards tells me she probably just made a mistake. I don't see what she stood to gain from the statement.

[cherokeeprogressive]

8. The fact she "apologized so quickly afterwards" says only ONE thing...

And that's as soon as she took off the mic there were staffers all up in her grill over her offensive comment.

[Metric System]

10. Sanders supporters would say she was appealing to Reagan Democrats, but that makes zero sense

due to the potential of alienating LGBT supporters.

[democrattotheend]

21. I am a Sanders supporter, but I agree with you

I just don't see what she stands to gain with this statement, so I agree that it was probably a gaffe. She does a lot of things that are cold and calculated but I don't think this is one of them.

[zentrum]

31. It sure is a weird way

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…to pander to Republicans who deny that there were any LGBT people in this country until, oh, I don't know—Obama made them? But by raising Reagan and AIDS in the same sentence, she makes her own stand on LGBT rights, late and wishy-washy as it was, a little more palatable to the Repubs. "See? Even St Raygun's wife helped gay people."

[democrattotheend]

49. That's a good point

I hadn't thought of it this way.

I don't see how she was pandering to Reagan Dems, because if anything they would be pissed off that she linked Nancy Reagan to a cause they find offensive. So I feel like the comment was a lose-lose, which makes it just bizarre. Kind of like her comment back in 2008 that she needed to stay in the race because Robert Kennedy was assassinated in June. WTF was she hoping to gain from that?

[Ken Burch]

58. Perhaps she thinks she has the LGBTQ vote in the bag

and has the luxury of "triangulation".

[treestar]

64. Exactly, there would be much better ways to appeal to them.

[CanadaexPat]

28. Whitewashing her fellow enablers of the plutocracy - Kissinger's a great statesman, etc. nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

4. I'm sorry, but no one "misspeaks" a whole fucking paragraph.

She said exactly what she wanted to say, and later found out it was incredibly offensive.

That shows me how massively out of touch she is.

[Metric System]

12. You can believe what you want.

[cherokeeprogressive]

15. Yeah, and you can believe people "misspeak" whole paragraphs.

[Dont call me Shirley]

30. She was called out on what she said, by many and immediately. She was wrong to speak those lies.

[berningman]

80. thank you. I applaud Mrs Reagan for her AIDS advocacy could be considered a gaffe.

That contemptible lie she spouted off was no gaffe. Going on and on about how the two people most remembered for doing NOTHING are actually heroes who dragged an unwilling country into recognizing and responding to the AIDS crisis is beyond disgusting even by Camp Weathervane standards. Dear Queen stepped in it plain and simple.

[Merryland]

102. I have a rather creepy theory

that Hillary knew she was wrong & just did it to fuck with peoples' minds...? Yeah, I guess that's a bit out there...

[greiner3]

87. She had most of a week to rehearse that short speech

And she's not good at ad lib so imo she's guilty as Nancy was

[ibegurpard]

11. in her mind there was

She imagined herself making some grand, magnanimous, and "bipartisan" comments about a woman who had no serious praiseworthy qualities just to make herself look good.
Did she lie? No...she just ignorantly opined about something and insulted thousands in the process. That needs to be acknowledged.

[SusanCalvin]

42. I can't figure out what she was thinking.

Or even if she was thinking. It's just bizarre.

[berningman]

81. sorry but by definition it was a lie. HRC knows the history behind this she is not ignorant of it.

[morningfog]

23. It was no gaffe. She said what she believes.

I believe she believes what she said. Which is horrendous.

There is no other way to explain what the misspeaks is.

[SusanCalvin]

43. Yeah, but whyinthehell does she believe Nancy was an AIDS activist???? nt

[morningfog]

46. That's the interesting question. I think it could be that Hillary subscribes

to a myth of the Reagans that is so foreign to Democrats that we can't comprehend it. It's not something believed by anyone in my circles that I've never met. It's mutually inconsistent with my beliefs of the Reagans.

[SusanCalvin]

70. I think you are right about that.

The 1% are different from me and thee.

I found a possible explanation:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1169&pid=1363

But I still think putting those comments in that interview was stupid.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. Did you watch the video? She brought it up and expanded on it.

[ellennelle]

38. a gaffe?

more like an unforced error. of sizable proportions.

i'm not at all willing to call it a lie. but it does not speak that much more favorably of her to recognize what it is if not a lie, and that is not even necessarily a miscalculation, but thoughtlessness.

recall it was just a couple of weeks ago she was also apologizing for "misspeaking" when she referenced "super predators ...brought to heel." that she used those terms, esp. 'brought to heel', and missed the damning racial implications, is at least as thoughtless. her having ashley escorted out - after paying to be in that home - was also thoughtless. her tone and dismissive attitude were thoughtless.

not only does she miss the terrible optics in these instances, she misses the conceptual reason the optics are so bad; she is in fact out of touch, pure and simple. she does not get it.

it is this thoughtlessness that disturbs me so deeply. she seems to completely miss the sensitivities of these folks in need, as she did in that encounter with BLM that turned into a lecture from her, instead of truly listening to them. in both these instances, BLM and in SC, her parting 'instruction' to these young people was to run for office. seriously; run for office. just a cut above telling them to 'get a job.'

that thoughtlessness is borne of her being so out of touch. she's worth 100 mill, after all; in that realm, you're 'in touch' with the lloyd blankfeins and donald trumps and kissingers and de la rentas of the world.

but not with us.

[SusanCalvin]

41. But whereinthehell did the gaffe come from?

I've been convinced by the video that she didn't mix it up with Alzheimer's and stem cell.

Why would she mention Nancy as an AIDS activist, even a "quiet" one? I am baffled.

[Silver_Witch]

57. Absolutely An Upside

She is pandering now to the middle-road Republicans that are terrified of Trump and hoping she wins the primary she is already starting to "court" those republicans so she can earn their vote by complimenting Ms. Reagan.

And when she realized Democrats caught wind of her lying pandering...she stepped back.

She is a republican - whether you like it or not. She is a Hawk whether you like it or not. She is against a woman's right to choose by limiting the right to however many arbitrary weeks poll well this week.

She is no feminist and she is not the candidate for me.

[noiretextatique]

99. Yes, she is

This classic Clintonism.

[Boomer]

85. I was furious the first time I heard this

But after some time to calm my temper, I agree that it was just a stupid gaffe. There was no possible gain from this statement, no audience that this would please.

That she could make this particular mistake is not to her credit. Obviously this shameful period of American history didn't leave much of an impression on her. But I don't think she intentionally lied.

[Warren DeMontague]

104. If bernie sanders said a word someone didnt like in 1975, we'd STILL be hearing about it.

A classic example of the shit sanders supporters have to put up with, was when Hillary came out in favor of restrictions on abortion the other day, and team HRC was waving it away as no big deal.

If Sanders had said the exact same thing, the hillary people would have LOST THEIR FUCKING MINDS, and you know it.

[ljm2002]

108. As others have pointed out...

...on various threads, Hillary seems to be running a '90s campaign. She thinks she can tweak her message a little here and revise history a little there as part of a "pivot to the GE" and people won't notice -- or a few will, but not most.

This is not the '90s. You can still tweak and revise, and you can still tailor your message to your audience -- but you have to be a lot smarter about how you do it. And it just can't be this blatantly false.

I do believe that in her mind, she was pivoting to the GE and trying to appeal to conservatives by praising the Reagans. But it backfired.

And this really was an unforced error. She had to have made prepared remarks, given how famously well-prepared she is for things like speaking engagements. Why would she have felt free to rewrite history in this way? And doesn't she have her remarks reviewed by staff? Did none of them notice the "gaffe" before it was uttered on camera? Or were they unwilling to point it out to her?

You would think she might have had an inkling that trying to present the Reagans as in any way heroes during the AIDS crisis would cause a firestorm. Those of us who lived through that time, when AIDS was a new disease that our gay friends and families were dying from (not to mention others: hemophiliacs, people who needed transfusions, IV drug users) -- we know exactly the role that the Reagans played.

Hillary cannot claim she confused AIDS with Alzheimer's, because she had just finished discussing Alzheimer's, and also because she remarked how "hard it was to talk about it back then" -- something you would not say about Alzheimer's. No she was not confused, she just thought she could get away with some mindless pandering and she got busted on it.

[speaktruthtopower]

5. Tempest in a teapot..give her a break on this one

she was trying to be nice at a funeral.

[notadmblnd]

13. She was being pretentious. Unfortunately for her she didn't know what she was talking about.

It is what happens when a self-centered narcissist thinks she's so damn much smarter than everyone else.

[pangaia]

27. +3,648,249

[TM99]

16. Bullshit.

This was in an interview after a question was asked.

She did not misspeak for an entire paragraph's worth of text.

[litlbilly]

18. If it was the only one maybe, but its such a long list, no more, sorry.

[notadmblnd]

6. And the "she meant Alzheimers" theory won't wash either

It wasn't' even acknowledged that Reagan had Alzheimers until well after he was out of office. Nancy did not advocate for the disease while in the White House and Ronald Reagan certainly never did.

[SusanCalvin]

44. I agree.

I mentioned it because I heard the theory on KPFT. You're right, it doesn't make sense. But nothing else does either...!

[tularetom]

7. Nobody ever "misspeaks", you are either truthful or a liar

And we don't need a president who is unclear about the difference.

[ellennelle]

40. mmmm, you don't want to go that far

life is not that black and white. unless, of course, you can claim to have never misspoken ever in your life.

in which case, you lie. or you misspoke. but that claim cannot be a truth spoken by anyone.

not defending hillary here, but unless you can apply your standard to yourself and everyone else, do not dare to utter it.

just as a general rule.

[tularetom]

48. You're right I may have come off a bit holier than thou

However, I despise the euphemism "misspeak". What the fuck does that even mean? You tried to say something else but the words came out wrong? There was a disconnect in the axons between your brain and your vocal cords? Nope, it means you told a lie and got caught doing it and now you need a word that enables you to save face. Something that sounds more er, polite than "lying".

It's almost like the term was invented for Hillary Clinton, she has had to rely on it more than once.

[BeanMusical]

50. "now you need a word that enables you to save face. Something that sounds more polite than "lying"

How about "mistruthing"?

[ellennelle]

61. appreciate your response

but may i humbly (seriously; i don't want to come off as holier than thou either!) suggest you think more deeply about how easy it really is to 'misspeak.'

freud is loaded with this topic. wrote a book on it. parapraxias, he called these little slips. they're revealing of deeper psychological realities. we all commit them all the damn time. seriously; watch yourself for one day and see if you can manage to avoid even just one.

in the case with hillary, i am not sure she's lying because i feel these 'slips' reveal deeper psychological thoughtlessness on her part. for her, and folk of her elite ilk, she swims in a world largely of her own making. however she chooses to interpret and navigate the world is rarely if ever contradicted, so her perspectives are never tested, and the distances from reality never force her to rethink, just restate.

one would hope that as many times as she's committed these, she'd get a clue. but it's instead a character flaw of a different stripe from outright lying. though they're so close in territory as to share a very muddy borderline.

[tularetom]

74. Thats a lot to think about

We're all flawed of course, but most of us are not fibbing (I refuse to use that goddamn m-word) to an audience of millions of people. And most of us don't have to cop to our fibs in front of that huge audience.

Its obvious that among her circle of sycophantic hirelings, her "white lies" and her motives for telling them, go completely unquestioned. But somebody would be doing her a big favor to counsel her to put the brakes on before she says something she'll have to apologize for. The impact of the fibs is cumulative. Each one reinforces the perception that she has a tenuous relationship with the truth.

Your last two paragraphs are excellent. A nuanced view of the distinction between a "white lie" and an actual lie. Unfortunately for Ms Clinton, I doubt that most voters will give her the benefit of that nuanced view.

[mikehiggins]

105. I know how to lie. All adults do, even Sanders.

My lies might mean my kids believed in Santa Claus a little longer than most did, or that I really didn't get the work done I told my boss I did.

What I didn't do was make a practice of telling lies AND getting caught at it.

HRC misspoke about the truth of the Reagan's blind eye (except for the giggles about gays) to the AIDS epidemic?

She didn't know where Sanders was during her campaign for healthcare?

She was shot at by snipers and had to run for her car?

She lies and her surrogates lie and people sucking up to her lie.

It is how they roll. I remember how shocked we were to read of the Bush apparatchik who claimed history was what they said it was.

This is the same crap only this time lots of people realize just how many can die because of a facile lie.

[treestar]

65. lol

how ridiculous. Nobody ever makes a mistake out loud? How far do you have to go just to hope Hillary deliberately said something incorrect (something that she has nothing to gain from).

[tularetom]

68. She seems to do with regularity

And she does it even when she knows how easy it is for her to be busted for it (sniper fire in Bosnia, flat broke when leaving the white house, Nancy Reagan fought for AIDS patients).

Look, I don't know what her problem is, but voters have seen this crap happen a lot over a long period of time. And they don't like it. I hope Sanders can put her out of her misery so we aren't faced with a general election choice of her and Trump.

Something is seriously amiss with her. Maybe its a cry for help.

[treestar]

69. She's way ahead of Bernie

And Bernie can make errors and gaffes too. At least don't have a double standard.

[tularetom]

77. Who the hell said anything about Bernie?

It isn't an error or a gaffe to repeatedly say things you know to be untrue and then be forced to apologize for them.

And the worst part? She had nothing to gain by making up that bullshit story about Nancy Reagan. Absolutely nothing. All she accomplished was to reinforce her well deserved reputation for mendacity.

[treestar]

92. exactly so that argues that it was just a mistake

why make up that story? It has no motive to be served by it.

[grasswire]

9. "I didn't know there was a picture" nt

[starroute]

14. She also "misspoke" in 2008 about the Bosnia sniper fire

I posted a clip of her saying it as a separate thread -- won't repeat it here -- but she claimed she misremembered because of sleep deprivation and was roundly mocked for it at the time.

[cherokeeprogressive]

20. That's what happens when one feels entitled. They can explain away whatever they want...

however they want.

[enough]

17. Precisely. (nt)

[RedCappedBandit]

19. Why can't people ever just admit they were/are wrong?

[nichomachus]

22. What else would she "misspeak" on?

Oh, golly me, did I say "bomb Ireland?" I meant "bomb Iran."

[cherokeeprogressive]

24. The possibilities are endless.

Or to quote one of my favorite lines from Seinfeld: "They're real, and they're spectacular.

[dana_b]

66. yes, that's what I was thinking too

what did she ACTUALLY mean to say?

[SheilaT]

26. Gaffe? Misspoke?

Anyone who was conscious during the 80s know perfectly well that the Reagans were totally silent. So to say otherwise is hardly "misspeaking" or a simple "gaffe". It's an out and out lie.

Somewhat along the lines of "Bush kept us safe" as if the worst attack on American soil didn't take place when he was President.

I'm so fucking sick and tired of all those who apologize for crap like this.

[jalan48]

29. Looks like Hillary is not quite ready for prime time.

She should stick to closed door, highly paid speeches to the Wall Street crowd-her real base.

[EndElectoral]

32. HRC parses her words very carefully. She's a skilled politician and debater. She didn't misspeak

She's obviously attempting to get moderate Republicans to sympathize with her for the GE, and the irony is she probably did pick up more Republicans with her comments today.

[Cheese Sandwich]

33. misspeak...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misspeak

[cherokeeprogressive]

34. ^5!

That's perfect.

[JonLeibowitz]

51. Thank you!

[bigwillq]

86. ....

[Divernan]

35. Is that like mis-voting on Iraq & cluster bombs?

Because voting in the U.S. Senate on life and death matters for tens of thousands of innocent people is not like some frigging One Percent golf game where she can take mulligans or do-overs.

[cherokeeprogressive]

36. I've played with guys who believe in one Mulligan a round, some who take one on each nine.

Apparently, Hillary believes she's entitled to a do-over on every tee.

[beerandjesus]

37. For her to claim she "just" "misspoke" is SO insulting, I almost wish she had just left it alone.

In my book, a completely disingenuous non-apology is worse than no apology at all.

This shit truly boggles the mind.

[cherokeeprogressive]

39. Says a lot about her, that's for SURE.

[dchill]

45. She's giving misspeaking a bad name.

[ish of the hammer]

47. Hah! Now I REALLY want to see those TRANSCRIPTS !!!

[BillZBubb]

53. She can't claim she misspoke on all of them, can she?

[Anastasia_N]

52. I created a DU Account because of Mz. Clinton's remarks.....

I'm not gay and I never knew anyone directly with AIDS but I HAD to create an DU
Account because the remarks of Mz. Clinton offended me as an American.

The assessment that Mz. Clinton is pandering to the nostalgic grieving Reagan Republicrats is exactly spot-on; I agree because I cannot even imagine another explanation/excuse for Mz. Clinton to "MizRemember" the clear historical record of the entire Raygun (yeah, that's how we did it back then; contempt by demonstrating contempt...I'm OG) Administration avoidance and evade tactic to the rising epidemic of AIDS in America in the 1980's.

Sadly, I was 18 in 1982....just means that I'm feeling old now.....and I still vividly recall the early manifestations of the GOP fear and panic of the "other" when I read that article at the laundramat. That was back in 1983 when the now tried and true GOP fear-mongoring-of-the-other tactic that we all know, recognize, and understand was still in its nacent stages and not yet refined and proven go-to GOP vote-getter that it has become.

Mz. Clinton in making those revisionist-history remarks was clearly pandering to the Raygun worshiping right who are recently nostalgic for the "good old days". Playing on the grave for votes; surely Nancy herself would have turned her nose up at that cheep perfume but the dead cannot defend themselves. Remember the "good old days" when the Clinton's were anathema to the Right? And, the "vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" that plagued the Clinton's?

Mz. Clinton was clearly pandering to play upon the nostalgia of the Right-Wing worshipers of the Raygun's at their moment of grief and conflate herself with the nostalgia of the past and bury the hatch with the hope that "gee she isn't so bad, she's not crazy like Drumph and she's not progressive....she's a moderate Raygun Republican. Anyone can see that there is only one progressive in the hunt and it isn't Hillary.

[Lizzie Poppet]

72. Good post...and welcome!

Good call: Hillary does indeed remind me of a Reagan-style Republican (with liberal positions on issues Wall Street doesn't care much about).

[NCjack]

54. She suffered a concussion in 2012. Maybe it's time for the 3-yr brain checkup. /nt

[deathrind]

55. She took a calculated

Risk, it backfired horribly...it doesn't make her the devil. Reading some of the posts here one would think she is evil incarnate, she's not, she's a politician.

[cherokeeprogressive]

56. You hit the nail right on the fucking head. She didn't "misspeak". She took a risk. It backfired.

When it did; rather than own up to it she fucking lied through her teeth.

[4139]

59. It likely what she 'knew' to be true, and several people had to explain it to her afterwards.

Sometime what 'you do know that ain't so' can really hurt ya.

[Betty Karlson]

60. It's clear she has never cared about gay lives.

Her "change of heart" in 2013 was evidently just a change of poll results.

She has forfeited any voted from the LGBT community. Those who vote for her do so out of selfishmness. Those who care about the community should abandon her post-haste, if they weren't on the better side already.

[Boomer]

88. At least she doesn't want to shoot gay people

Ted Cruz, the most likely candidate if the GOP manages to lose Trump, has welcomed the endorsement of Right-wing extremist Christians who want the government to execute gay people.

I'll take HRC's indifference over Ted Cruz's desire to eliminate me.

[Enthusiast]

62. Kicked and recommended!

[Vinca]

67. Why would she say something that just about everyone knows is a crock?

The Reagans didn't give 2 shits about AIDS patients until their friend, Rock Hudson, came along. That's pretty typically Republican, by the way: not giving a damn until it happens to you personally. There were plenty of mindless niceties Hillary could have uttered about Nancy Reagan . . . why did she go straight for the one that wasn't true?

[arikara]

96. But I heard the Reagans did nothing for Rock Hudson either

when he went to them for help. Nada.

[Vinca]

97. That doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

[Lizzie Poppet]

71. "I misspoke when I said I didn't know there was a picture of Nancy Reagan under sniper fire."

Hill-occio...

[eppur_se_muova]

73. She was lying to "Reagan Democrats" and wavering independents. The Left wasn't supposed to listen.

If we'll wait our turn, she'll have other, pleasanter lies just for us.

[H2O Man]

75. recommended

[Enrique]

76. absolutely right

and a great point about miscalculating while in office.

[CBGLuthier]

78. She lied. She said something stupid. She was full of shit. Her eyes turned brown.

An in artful comment from a perpetually in artful speaker. No wonder she doesn't want to release her speech transcripts they would reveal her as the dullard fool she really is.

[salinsky]

79. Wow ...

... ya know, I really don't even like Hillary.

There's just something offputting about her to me.

But, the hatefest that you people are engaging in makes me want to puke.

Get a life.

[ladjf]

82. Very astute post. Thanks. nt

[dr60omg]

83. She has NEVER had a friendly agenda and let's not engage in revisionist history

I remember the 1980's and 1990's too I remember watching my friends die around me, family members die around me even a kid from my son's pre-school die. I remember how the Reagans did nothing at all as people stood silently by in horror ....

Sorry it was not an oops gaffe sort of moment it is a game that the Clintons always play when out of view. Remember a few weeks ago the comment about "super-predators" and the word "heel" or the bullets in Bosnia or any number of ridiculous lies including the one over Honduras and her recent concern for refugee children

But I do remember Clintons love for the LGBTQ community and since we should take her at her word remember how the Clintons were always touting they were a twofer ....
So, we got DADT, DOMA etc ... you may say the nation was not ready but I call bs because even before Clinton we got Anita Bryant kicked out of the Florida Orange tree.

Remember letters like these from Mrs. Clinton? http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/01/hillary_clinton_on_gay_rights_a_new_email_is_troubling.html but let's go further into something like ENDA how simple was that? And if you don't recall ENDA well you might recall Melissa Etheridge speaking about it http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/12/596831/-

Politifact calls her position on LGBTQ rights a flip flop http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/ but to me the ideology is in the adjectives ... where was she for most of the time people were suffering

Sorry she said what she felt since there was not a single solidarity reason to bring up LGBTQ rights or HIV/AIDS at Reagan's funeral ...

As always it is the lies, the parsing of language and the triangulation that are abhorrent

[Sunlei]

84. To deep an issue, but I guess Aids was something Mrs. Clinton talked about with Mrs. Reagan way

back 40? years ago? After all Mrs. Reagan had gay friends and people close to her die of Aids.

[AgadorSparticus]

89. A little over the top. Jesus. The woman made a mistake and apologized.

Why is it so difficult to comprehend that she misspoke? She is human, afterall. If you are going to go after her, make it something that counts. This is a non issue after she apologized. She is such a defender of the gay community, I can't believe people are in such an uproar.

So many people on DU are blinded by their hate for her which is a little shocking to me.

[cherokeeprogressive]

91. For the umpteenth time... you think it's possible to misspeak an entire paragraph over 45 seconds?

Nah. Not bloody likely.

[TwilightGardener]

94. She didn't make a mistake. She fabricated a whole-cloth bullshit feelgood story about the Reagans

and her staff told her she needed to do damage control, and quickly. She didn't make a tired offhand comment or substitute the wrong word. She deliberately pushed a bullshit story, completely unbidden, and is only sorry that the reaction was negative instead of positive. It's quite incredible, really--what motivated her to make shit up and sell it?

[AgadorSparticus]

95. That was undoubtedly really stupid of her. I know she HAD to say something nice being that she is

At a funeral. But to make up stuff is pretty offensive. Not just to the LGBT community, but to all those present at the funeral as well. You think she would have had someone write a little speech for her so that she isn't winging it. Granted, I haven't seen the video, but I think she brain farted and thought Nancy Reagan was proactive in the fight for HIV/AIDS and just went with it. Completed her talk requirement and sat down. I say that because she really is a true defender of the LGBT community. I just don't think this is intentional. If anything, it is sabotaging her campaign. She is much too savvy for this kind of thing.

[UglyGreed]

90. Bull's eye

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

93. She also miscalculated how well her CYA "apology" would sell.

Anybody who saw the segment would have to subscribe to the willfully oblivious technique of being aware.

[Doctor_J]

98. Since she is openly pandering for conservative votes, why should liberals be expected to support

her?

[bigwillq]

100. Kick (nt)

[Warren DeMontague]

101. Yeah, thats the other thing. All her political manoevering isnt even good politics.

She's playing to a political reality that doesnt exist, a 1990s fantasy where no one can fact check via google in 15 seconds, where "soccer moms" and "values voters" comprise the mean temperature of a sensible shoes electorate that wants middle of the road policies to maintain a status quo on shit like the drug war, etc.

I suppose the argument about how these moves are offensive might be easier to ignore if what she was doing actually WAS smart, but its not. Shes listening to overpaid beltway idiots who have no clue what America in the 21st century actually looks like.

[rock]

103. It's always nice

to get a psychic's take on these events. Thanks.

[loyalsister]

106. I think it was a dumb mistake in the interest of furthering her own narrative

She always seems to do this when she is trying to gain favor for her experiences or accomplishments or even failed efforts. I think complimenting Nancy Reagan was intended bolster the significance of first ladies generally.

She wanted to further the narrative of her own significance (EXPERIENCE!) as first lady and reached for the first thing she could come up with. ooops

Her effort to relate to people who stuggle economically comes from being dead broke upon leaving the white house. Being under fire in Bosnia, etc....

[Kokonoe]

107. If Hillary says "Many will not remember this"

She is about to tell a lie.