2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHow can anyone support a big-time habitual and dishonest liar for President? Hillary.
I voted to save the auto industry, Clinton said during the debate. He voted against the money that ended up saving the auto industry.
Left unmentioned was an earlier Sanders vote in favor of the bailout. The vote that Clinton referenced was on legislation to release funds for a Wall Street bailout, some of which were instead used to help auto manufacturers.
What I did not vote for was a middle-class bailout for the crooks on Wall Street, Sanders told his audience there.
But Hilary didn't have a hard time voting to bailout her pals and funders on Wall Street
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Proudest vote in my 65 years of living.
WDIM
(1,662 posts)That is exactly what the Bankster bailout was a huge lie to steal from the tax payers
Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... take hard choices for the sake of ideological purity. "Purity above all" is no way to govern effectively.
(But it's great for soap.)
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Those would not be a difficult decisions for Bernie Sanders. He'd voted NO!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's very difficult to be an ideologue and practical and wise at the same time. It's also not a very realistic, practical or expedient way to accomplish much of anything. I prefer having a candidate that can look forward and who can anticipate the consequences and who's not afraid to make difficult decisions. Being inflexible and myopic is not a virtue.
laruemtt
(3,992 posts)Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)by a bullet while evading sniper fire and didn't come out as unscathed as she figured?
I don't think she would LIE about anything.
rock
(13,218 posts)Did I get that right?
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)?
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)As should all voters living in toss-up, battleground states. Still, though...
...either way I lose.
rock
(13,218 posts)You understand politics!
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)If Hillary is the Dem candidate, mark +1 for Bernie.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Response to PonyUp (Reply #37)
rock This message was self-deleted by its author.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Did I get that right?
In fact, you'd rather vote for a dishonest politician than an honest and truthful candidate like Bernie.
Did I also get that right?
rock
(13,218 posts)So your question does not have sufficient footing. And of course I'm still interested: you won't be voting for Hillary in the GE?
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)Any Democrat (even a temporary one) is much better than any Republican.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)He readily admits he's a Socialist, but tags Democratic onto it and runs under that label. I personally don't pay any attention to the labels (unless they're Republicans who always run true to form) but to their actions, plans, and stances on issues.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)responsible for it.
From the OP - "The vote that Clinton referenced was on legislation to release funds for a Wall Street bailout, some of which were instead used to help auto manufacturers."
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)(to quote Bill Clinton)
Persondem
(1,936 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Persondem
(1,936 posts).. and mares eat oats and does eat oats and little lambs eat ivy. So there.
Corey_Baker08
(2,157 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)that she had ready to dump on Bernie in the debate. Hartmann and his two panelists said it was a lie but Bernie is too polite to call her a liar.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)They are terrified of a Republican becoming president and see her as the only viable option.
I read posts by some Hillary supporters who see absolutely nothing wrong with her ties to big money, her pro-fracking stance, her decidely neocon tendencies.
It's mind-boggling.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)Not a ringing endorsement for sure but it is practical.
I'm voting Bernie in the primary.
840high
(17,196 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)To call it a 'lie' is just as much a stretch as to say that Sanders didn't care about the auto industry.
This is a campaign. If Sanders and his supporters can't handle this mild level of back-and-forth, they won't last a day with the GOP.
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Onlooker
(5,636 posts)It's important to evaluate claims and charges on their own merits. Whether accusing Bernie of being soft on gun control, of having no role in the various civil rights movements because he spent most of his life in an all-white all-liberal state, whether voting against the bill that would lead to the bailout of the auto industry, whether having sympathy for Soviet communism, or something else, we have to take it into account that those claims come from those who oppose him.
The same goes for Hillary. Up until now, Hillary was regarded as a reliable, liberal politician (not as liberal as Bernie, but nonetheless liberal). We should be intelligent enough to know that the accusations against her by her opponents are very biased in their presentation.
It takes a little bit of intelligence to look at information through an independent lens, but I bet you can do it. That's what Einstein did with all his amazing work.