2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI agree. Bernie shouldn't have said, "Excuse me. I was talking."
As usual, the Clinton supporters have the vapors over a non issue--Bernie Sanders saying, "Excuse me, I was talking" during last night's debate.
HRC deserved to have a lot more lobbed at her. She got off easy, in my opinion. Sanders should have hit her hard with some truth bombs--and no apologies. This was a debate between grown adults, right? How about a bit of humor? Or some outrage thrown right back at her--which her policies certainly deserve.
I can think of a few sentences that begin with "Excuse me..." that would have been more appropriate.
"Excuse me, but I think I hear Wall Street calling, they've got another bag of money for your campaign. I'll continue debating while you attend to your main constituency."
"Excuse me, but I was talking. If you don't stop interrupting, I'm afraid I'm going to have to borrow your husband's bullhorn!"
"Excuse me, but I did vote for the auto bailout. However, I didn't vote for the auto bailout that was a Wall Street giveaway. Unlike you, who never misses a chance 'make it rain' for your buddies at Goldman!"
#ExcuseMeHillary
panader0
(25,816 posts)Yes, that would have been a great visual!
"Excuse me, but I've got a bullhorn and I'm not afraid to ask you really loudly for your Goldman speech transcripts!"
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)blondie58
(2,570 posts)Where to get one,
bvar22
(39,909 posts)..(the greasy guy standing outside on the sidewalk trying to lure the suckers inside),
or a "barker" at a cheap carnival trying to con rubes into a rip off side show or rigged game.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)That's right, it filets, it chops, it dices, slices,
Never stops, lasts a lifetime, mows your lawn
And it mows your lawn and it picks up the kids from school
It gets rid of unwanted facial hair, it gets rid of embarrassing age spots,
It delivers a pizza, and it lengthens, and it strengthens
And it finds that slipper that's been at large
under the chaise lounge for several weeks
And it plays a mean Rhythm Master,
It makes excuses for unwanted lipstick on your collar
And it's only a dollar, step right up, it's only a dollar, step right up
-Tom Waits
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Love this particular number too. But it sounds like a campaign pitch from Trump!
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... he should have mimicked his base and been rude and vulgar.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)is that what you are trying to do or was this an accident?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Do you deny reading these kinds of comments about HRC every single day:
"Excuse me, but I was talking. If you don't stop interrupting, I'm afraid I'm going to have to borrow your husband's bullhorn!"
"Excuse me, but I did vote for the auto bailout. However, I didn't vote for the auto bailout that was a Wall Street giveaway. Unlike you, who never misses a chance 'make it rain' for your buddies at Goldman!"
Do you find it unthinkable that an HRC supporter might just find these comments vulgar and rude?
For you to claim some sort of offense at my comments is a classic case of blaming the victim.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)I find lying about people's records also offensive and your apparent candidate of choice apparently does that as well, I just don't feel like getting into a cherry picking contest with you.
I was talking about board civility here, this is a different discussion. I try to never flag comments, but guess that would work better than trying to talk to people about differences like in the real world.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Especially if Bernie asks nicely.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)What is rude?
They are jokes based on Hillary's own conduct.
There is certainly nothing vulgar about them, and nothing rude.
Hillary has taken extreme amounts of money from Wall Street.
And her husband appeared in front of a polling place in Massachusetts with a bullhorn.
And Hillary did vote for a Wall Street giveaway that included an auto bailout.
There is nothing vulgar or rude in those statements in my view. They simply make jokes about what Hillary and Bill have done.
jalan48
(13,881 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)jalan48
(13,881 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Which is nice, because I don't usually expect entertainment value out of these "HARUMPH! Of all the nerve...!" subthreads.
Gotta problem with that?
chapdrum
(930 posts)Well put.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)This is your first post on this thread.
My guess is you're trying to elicit some sort of response. You won't be getting it.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I didn't think we had to get in line at the top of the thread. Is that some kind of new Buzz Clik thread policy?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I don't care. Have the last word.
Sweet jeebus.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Since you feel Sanders supporters are rude and vulgar, that must include me. That sounds pretty harsh since you are painting supporters like myself at DU with a mighty broad brush.
If you don't care to respond, I'll take that as someone who walks back from their statement. The next time you decide to call out rude and vulgar persons, you might want to take a more honest approach.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)turn to speak is rude, plain and simple.
That's why I can't watch debates. It makes my head explode; my mother would scream the crap out of us if we interrupted her when she was talking.
That's what I just *love* about interrupters like Hillary. Do it to them (which nobody does) and they go into meltdown mode. But they have no qualms about doing it to everybody else, and then when they get called on it, they still go into meltdown mode.
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)And the mantle of victimhood she continues to don at every available opportunity.
Love that pic. So true!!!!!!!!!!
Trajan
(19,089 posts)You have every right to request they cease and desist their unwarranted intrusions...
Not that Hillary supporters understand what rudeness even means ... It is my experience that few remain here who are sensitive to such basic courtesies ...
Perhaps Skinner ...
Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)Proud feminist here did I miss the LISTEN SWEETIE before Sanders said Im talking here? Cause thats called debate not sexism.
https://twitter.com/franifio/status/706872406975979525
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)That one stumps her completely. She didn't even read the NIE before she voted!!!!!!!!!
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts).
It's a ploy to distract and redirect thoughts when a person is losing an argument. While Sanders stayed on topic, the audience's attention was redirected. So it was successful.
It's a ploy to show power over someone else. While it's rude, it shows that the rude person has power--this is what helps to make Trump appear even more successful. It's kind of a Rovian tactic.
When someone has Borderline Personality Disorder, they do that often to try and change the subject so they are not cornered. So, if this is going to be a new campaign tactic, it opens up a DSM-IV question on personality traits.
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LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,591 posts)The Ninth Doctor
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Vinca
(50,302 posts)If they've got their drawers in knots over this, how on earth could she face a bully like Trump?
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)to hold up at appropriate times...like a sign that says STFU, or No, that's a lie!
What other signs can we make for him?
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Her role, and The Clinton Foundation's too.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)woodsprite
(11,923 posts)questionseverything
(9,657 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)The ringing may never stop, but that's ok.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Because suddenly, it wouldn't be a debate. It would be a musical.
Broward
(1,976 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)But, then he would be like Bill Maher's dog barking at a pine cone for 9 days straight.
http://archives.politicususa.com/2011/08/06/bill-maher-donner-party.html
dchill
(38,518 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Kindly hold your bought and paid for tongue; there will be plenty of time for you to rattle of your rehearsed talking points and triangulated, focus-grouped and polled phrases. But now, we are listening to someone who doesn't need all that.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)We were all taught that interrupting someone speaking is rude.
Paper Roses
(7,474 posts)I'm sure most of us were taught that interrupting is rude. Why are HRC's supporters forgetting this courtesy? Bernie was right and
interjected in a polite way.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)As they didn't, letting Hillary drone on and on and interrupt at will and at length provided instead a "wonderful" opportunity to show how rude Bernie is.
What it actually shows is the corrupt nature of the press.
brewens
(13,617 posts)one. "Pardon the hell out of me, but if you close the hole in your face once in awhile, you might be able to hear what other people are saying!"
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)He would be bringing up Bill's whoring around. But he is not going to resort to that. It is just hard to bet a Republican in a DNC primary when you are using Democrat campaign values and opponent is using GOP style ones.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)If Bernie had addressed her as the queen that many of her supporters think that she is, do you think that her supporters would understand? Perhaps they should have just let the queen speak, then asked for her permission to continue his statement.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)This is a lot of Brouhaha about nothing. Excuse me is the term we need to be interested in, it means... . I am sorry to interrupt you. This is what Bernie said before adding I am talking. She had interrupted him over and over, talked over him, ignored the moderated when they wanted her to stop talking, so I believe he was absolutely within his right to say, if you can't understand that I am trying to make a statement, then I am going to have to ask you as nicely as I know how to please excuse me, but I AM talking.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)This is a red herring.
xloadiex
(628 posts)Of when Anderson was trying to go to commercial and she kept going on and on and on, talking over him every time he tried to say, "excuse me secretary Clinton." She wouldn't shut up. I was hoping they were going to just cut away.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)But I don't curtsey to royalty anyway.
SDJay
(1,089 posts)should be able to cut the mics of people who won't follow the debate rules. It happens constantly in every debate I've seen and it's not only bad form but really, really annoying. If you just try to run over the moderator with a verbal machine gun, cut the mic off and move on to your commercial, next question, next candidate, whatever. HRC deserved to have her mic cut off more than once last night but Cooper just cowered when she talked right past him several times.
kath
(10,565 posts)She is so, so, so odious.
Turn CO Blue
(4,221 posts)interrupting people or speaking more loudly over someone or continueing to speak when it is clearly time to pause and let someone else speak or RESPOND.
Just think of all the video clips of the debates with Obama (or whoever she debated in NY), and with Ashley Williams, other BLM activists, interviews with reporters, with those townhall questions....
Her campaign is really walking into it here by making a HUGE deal of this - because I'm sure someone could EASILY string together 10 or 20 examples of her interrupting people into a humorous video (with sound effects too). Ack, going to totally backfire. And with the hashtag #ExcuseMeHillary it's going to trend.
On a personal note, I have a current friend who does the same thing (starts talking over me, doesn't let me finish my sentence, and even when she asks me a question, starts speaking LOUDLY over me) -- so I am QUITE familiar with this unfortunate habit. I am going to have to assert myself more forcefully, this has been going on a couple of visits a month for a year and half.
And trust me, it IS rude. And I believe it shows a lack of respect for me. Hence, why I need to deal with my similar interruptor.
polly7
(20,582 posts)because if I don't talk she's asking me what's wrong, when I do she just interrupts and almost yells over me.
It's draining. I can imagine how frustrating it must be for someone trying to debate her and clarify things with such a short time to do it in. It would take a lot more patience than I will ever have.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)You can't politely get away from a conversation with her once she has engaged you in one, but has absolutely no intention of allowing you to actually contribute to said conversation.
It's pretty much "I'm talking, giving you my opinion, and you are going to sit here and listen, so stop trying to get a word in edgewise or get away from me. Stop squirming!"
bvar22
(39,909 posts)She doesn't want a conversation.
She wants an audience for her monologue.
NJCher
(35,713 posts)I'm an interpersonal communication teacher, and I have a 5-step technique that could help you when you talk with them. If you want it, let me know and I will send it to you by pm.
Cher
Turn CO Blue
(4,221 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)STFU you lying, duplicitous, shapeshifting Tool Of Wall Street.
senz
(11,945 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,405 posts)Thanks for the thread, CoffeeCat.
senz
(11,945 posts)Optimism
(142 posts)... of why I love Bernie supporters so much. I needed these laughs this morning!
If the Hillary folk get upset when an opponent uses the polite words "Excuse me..." to attempt to stop her interrupting ways, well ... good luck 'debating' Trump!
Gotta say ... borrowing Bill's bullhorn line had me in stitches!
Help out in Michigan, y'all !!
senz
(11,945 posts)Perhaps we need a comedy thread or group for Primary Relief?
lunatica
(53,410 posts)that's way too thin skinned.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I SO want to see Bernie pull out a Bully Bill Bullhorn and right in her ear on full volume...Excuse Me!
Look for it on SNL!
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)then asked her if she said something .
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)TBF
(32,086 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)"We could have had single-payer...we could have stopped the TPP...we could have taxed the rich...Buuuuuut NOOOOOOOOOO!....."
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)Ah, yep. Here we go:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=steve+martin+excuse+me&view=detail&mid=F34F6724DB2660D1B80EF34F6724DB2660D1B80E&FORM=VIRE
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Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)eShirl
(18,502 posts)Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)"Excuse me, but the candidate fought for civil rights while you campaigned for the man that voted against the CRA of 1964 is speaking."
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Lunabell
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Ok, that pretty much that encapsulates this whole situation.
They initially tried to get some mileage out of this by accusing Bernie of being a hard-lined sexist.
They've got the whole "Bernie is a racist" thing going now. So they're busy with that and turned their attention to other smears.
Post debate, the Clinton camp threw quite a bit at the wall--and now they feel that they can do the most damage with the racist smears and accusations.
I'm sure they'll be back to hit him on the "Bernie is a piece of shit sexist" meme fairly soon.
They seem to toggle back and forth between the two lies.
silenttigersong
(957 posts)Coffe Cat keep it up!
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ellennelle
(614 posts)he had every right to call her out on interrupting!
i've been noticing her tendency to do this increasingly thru the debates, and i got frustrated with her long before bernie did!
just because she's a woman does not give her the right to interrupt with impunity!
i do agree with your other points tho, wholeheartedly!
Baitball Blogger
(46,756 posts)You want to be treated like a man? Well, those words Bernie used are exactly how a man would have said it to another man. Especially in a political debate where someone is taking more time than they are allotted.
And guess what. If she can't handle it from Bernie, she certainly isn't going to handle it from Putin or any other male world leader.
DrBulldog
(841 posts)"Excuse me, Hillary, but STFU!"