What has Hillary ever done that could be called Liberal?

[marions ghost]

I'm not talking about the "big tent" Progressive Democrat category (which includes centrist supporters)--I'm talking about true Liberal, as in Sanders. We all know how far the Democratic party has moved to the right in the last decades, with Hillary's husband's and her help.

So why should Liberals support her?

The only things I can think of are pro-choice and pro-medical marijuana. Other than that........

Aside from Trump fear, or Scotus --or the usual negatives--what positive things has Hillary actually done (not just rhetoric) for us Liberal-progressives? I mean, WHY should we be expected to vote for her? My view is that she has done little for us, and worked against us so often. Speak if you have solid evidence otherwise.

I would like to hear some reasons based on her record, not the usual fear-based OMG Trump reasons.

[tazkcmo]

1. Nothing. n/t

[IADEMO2004]

2. Link

https://www.google.com/

[Dawgs]

3. Her position on marijuana, medical or not, is far from liberal. n/t

[marions ghost]

5. Doesn't she make a distinction?

I'm not up on this. I thought she was pro-medical, anti-recreational? Or does she just waltz around the issues as with so many of her "positions" which are mainly rhetorical.

[jeff47]

23. She's pro-study-if-medical-is-a-good-idea. (nt)

[marions ghost]

25. OK thanks

pro-study kicks it down the road, but not anti. OK.

Trouble is, people need it yesterday.

[stonecutter357]

4. .

look it up.

[marions ghost]

6. I'd like some direction

I'm happy to look it up--but with so many Hillary supporters here--can you point me to something to look up?

Some issue or stance that you know of--where she ACTUALLY took the hard left Liberal point of view?

[stonecutter357]

8. bing.

[marions ghost]

11. One issue?

That you know of? An issue where she sided with the few hardcore Liberals in Congress?

[disillusioned73]

17. ....

[link:|

[BillZBubb]

26. As usual, you've got NOTHING.

Your act is pretty pathetic.

[stonecutter357]

27. How do you know did you look it up?

[stonecutter357]

28. Your act is pretty pathetic?

[UglyGreed]

34. deflection

[Nyan]

7. There was one time she co-sponsored a bill to criminalize flag-burning.

Liberal? You decide...

Senator Clinron, in Pander Mode
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2005/12/07/opinion/senator-clinton-in-pander-mode.html?referer=&_r=0

[marions ghost]

14. Yeah I remember that

pandering in the worst way...personally I don't have a position on flag-burning...bra burning, dishrag burning-- or the burning of other types of cloth. Doesn't seem to be a critical issue facing the country.

[Karmadillo]

9. She makes liberal use of lies and distortions.

[Fuddnik]

13. Oh Yeah!

Except it ain't really funny.

[marions ghost]

36. thanks for posting

I found that a pretty good encapsulation of why people are turned off by Clinton and don't trust her "liberal" credentials.

[MaggieD]

49. Can't wait until Skinner outlaws this BS propaganda

There is not a single lie in that edited bullshit. And I have less than zero respect for people who post it. I doubt any of you have even watched it, or you would not embarrass yourself with that right wing nonsense.

[Blue_Adept]

10. Here's a few

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-was-liberal-hillary-clinton-is-liberal/

[beachbum bob]

12. I find it funny that as first lady in the 90s she try lead America to

universal healthcare....and some how thats considered "liberal enough" doing anything liberal??....If you just trying to find justification for not supporting her when she becomes the nominee of the democratic party...fine....go ahead have indifference that could allow a conservative into the whitehouse...and SHARE the responsibility of letting that happen just like Nader supporters gave america 8 years of bush/cheney


those who think letting conservatives take an election makes you either a democrat or a liberal....are neither

[marions ghost]

16. Hillary's attempt at healthcare reform

--what a mess. I don't think even her supporters see that as a big plus for her.

I am trying to find a reason that a strong left-leaning Liberal progressive should consider voting for Hillary Clinton (other than her pro-choice stance, which many women of both parties support).

I think it's a fair question.

What of significance has she ever actually done for OUR wing of the Democratic party? (Not lip service).

[Kip Humphrey]

30. Hillary is a 3rd-Way conservative Dem so you're right, we are fighting to prevent a conservative

from taking the White House. Bernie Sanders is the answer you are looking for. Check him out!

[Zynx]

15. How about you study her entire Senate voting record instead of three or four votes.

This has been Hillary's problem for years. She gets labeled on a very narrow vanguard of statements and actions and people ignore the entirety of her record.

http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/55463/hillary-clinton/?p=9#.Vt2LWfkrLIU

You'll find votes against the Bush tax cuts, for equal pay for women, for increasing the minimum wage, and so on.

She is by any definition a liberal. You just want to define liberal not to include her.

[marions ghost]

18. OK let's talk --about substance

I am skeptical that as president that she can actually get anything done for us at all. Now --thanks to the Sanders candidacy--we apparently DO exist. And have a voice.

But very little reason to vote for Hillary in the positive sense. She and her campaign have nothing but rhetoric for us, and a history of black marks in our book. Now she wants to appear to be "just a little to the right of Sanders"--which feels like an insult, considering her record.

[boythayer]

19. but she's a "progressive that likes to get things done"

what exactly is it she's done as a progressive, I don't know

[marions ghost]

20. That's what I'm trying to get at with this question

--it seems logical to ask--if you want to attract possible left-leaning Independents and strong Left Liberals to vote your way--WHAT has your candidate done in her long political history to earn our vote? How do you argue that we should vote for her, other than Stop tRump?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

21. Not that you're going to read any of this, but here goes...

It’s true that Clinton sat on the Wal-Mart board for six years while her husband was governor of Arkansas, where the chain has its corporate headquarters. She was paid about $18,000 a year for doing it. At the time, she worked at the Rose Law Firm, which had represented Wal-Mart in various matters.

But according to accounts from other board members, Clinton was a thorn in the side of the company’s founder, Sam Walton, on the matter of promoting women, few of whom were in the ranks of managers or executives at the time. She also strongly advocated for more environmentally sound corporate practices. She made limited progress in both areas. In 2005 she returned a $5,000 contribution from Wal-Mart, citing “serious differences” with its “current” practices.

Reich was even more gladdened by Hillary's passionate condemnation of corporate-executive compensation—one of the Labor Secretary's favorite populist topics. "These are real issues, Bill," she said, pointing out that the average CEO of a big company "is now earning 200 times the average hourly wage. Twenty years ago the ratio was about forty times ... People all over this country are really upset about this." When Bill demurred, saying he couldn't be "out front" on such issues, Hillary said sharply, "Well, somebody in the administration ought to be making these arguments," turning to Reich. "I agree," replied Bill with a nod.

Let’s finally do something about the growing economic inequality that is tearing our country apart. The top 1% of our households hold 22% of our nation’s wealth. That is the highest concentration of wealth in a very small number of people since 1929. So let’s close that gap. Let’s start holding corporate America responsible, make them pay their fair share again. Enough with the corporate welfare. Enough with the golden parachutes. And enough with the tax incentives for companies to shift jobs overseas.

We need diversion, like drug courts. Non-violent offenders should not be serving hard time in our prisons. They need to be diverted from our prison system. We need to make sure that we do deal with the distinction between crack and powder cocaine. And ultimately we need an attorney general and a system of justice that truly does treat people equally, and that has not happened under this administration.

I have spoken out on my belief that we should have drug courts that would serve as alternatives to the traditional criminal justice system for low-level offenders. If the person comes before the court, agrees to stay clean, is subjected to drug tests once a week, they are diverted from the criminal justice system. We need more treatment. It is unfair to urge people to get rid of their addiction and not have the treatment facilities when people finally makes up their minds to get treatment.

Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on making oil-producing and exporting cartels illegal. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)
Voted YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)
Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)
Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill. (Mar 2003)
Voted NO on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
Voted NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months. (Mar 2002)
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases. (Aug 2000)
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy. (Mar 2004)
Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances. (Feb 2005)
Require public notification when nuclear releases occur. (Mar 2006)
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence. (Dec 2006)
Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness. (Nov 2007)
Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025. (Jan 2007)
Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards. (Jan 2008)
Gas tax holiday for the summer. (Apr 2008)

I think we need to give people about $650, if they qualify--which will be millions of people--to help pay their energy bills this winter. There are so many people on fixed incomes and working people who are not going to be able to afford the spike in energy costs. And then we will have money for rebates, but let’s make them the right rebates. A lot of our seniors on fixed incomes don’t pay income taxes. But that doesn’t mean they’re immune from the energy costs.

Count Every Vote Act: end voting discrimination by race. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on granting the District of Columbia a seat in Congress. (Sep 2007)
Voted NO on requiring photo ID to vote in federal elections. (Jul 2007)
Voted NO on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress. (Mar 2006)
Voted NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity. (Mar 2006)
Voted YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads. (Mar 2002)
Voted NO on require photo ID (not just signature) for voter registration. (Feb 2002)
Voted YES on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations. (Apr 2001)
Voluntary public financing for all general elections. (Aug 2000)
Criminalize false or deceptive info about elections. (Nov 2005)
Reject photo ID requirements for voting. (Sep 2005)
Post earmarks on the Internet before voting on them. (Jan 2006)
Establish the United States Public Service Academy. (Mar 2007)
Prohibit voter intimidation in federal elections. (Mar 2007)
Prohibit 'voter caging' which intimidates minority voting. (Nov 2007)

Clinton’s foes say she doesn’t deserve credit for expanding federal health insurance, a claim Clinton has made literally thousands of times. She “got health insurance for six million kids,” according to one ad.

We review the record and conclude that she deserves plenty of credit, both for the passage of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) legislation and for pushing outreach efforts to translate the law into reality.

If you don’t start out trying to get universal health care, we know--and our members of Congress know--you’ll never get there. If a Democrat doesn’t stand for universal health care that includes every single American, you can see the consequences of what that will mean. It is imperative that we have plans, as both John and I do, that from the very beginning say, “You know what? Everybody has got to be covered.” There’s only three ways of doing it. You can have a single-payer system, you can require employers, or you can have individual responsibility. My plan combines employers and individual responsibility, while maintaining Medicare and Medicaid. The whole idea of universal health care is such a core Democratic principle that I am willing to go to the mat for it. I’ve been there before. I will be there again. I am not giving in; I am not giving up; and I’m not going to start out leaving 15 million Americans out of health care.

She bitterly condemned the greed of health insurers, who she said were pushing the United States “to the brink of bankruptcy.”

Voted YES on overriding veto on expansion of Medicare. (Jul 2008)
Voted NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000. (May 2006)
Voted YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D. (Feb 2006)
Voted YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on allowing reimportation of Rx drugs from Canada. (Jul 2002)
Voted YES on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages. (Jun 2001)
Voted NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Apr 2001)

Voted NO on cutting $221M in benefits to Filipinos who served in WWII US Army. (Apr 2008)
Voted NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad. (Aug 2007)
Voted YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months. (Jul 2007)
Voted YES on implementing the 9/11 Commission report. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
Voted YES on restricting business with entities linked to terrorism. (Jul 2005)
Voted YES on restoring $565M for states' and ports' first responders. (Mar 2005)
Federalize aviation security. (Nov 2001)
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record. (Dec 2003)

Following two and a half years of study, members of Bill’s Advisory Co until on Social Security offered proposals for investing a portion of Social Security retirement funds in the stock market. Hillary reacted emphatically to the report, telling her husband, “We mustn’t let Social Security be privatized.”

Social Security is one of the greatest inventions in American democracy, and I will do everything possible to protect & defend it, starting with getting back to fiscal responsibility, instead of borrowing from the Social Security trust fund. We need to provide some additional opportunities for people to invest, on top of their base guarantee of Social Security, more of a chance to build their nest egg. The risky scheme to privatize would cost between $1 and $2 trillion. That would undermine the promise of Social Security.

Rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record

At a time when her contemporaries were challenging the authority of college administrators, she steered the antiwar movement at Wellesley away from the kind of confrontation that convulsed other campuses.

Still, Hillary and her class were responsible for greater changes at Wellesley than any in its history. Black Studies was added to the curriculum. A summer Upward Bound program for inner-city children was initiated, antiwar activities were conducted in college facilities, the skirt rule had been rescinded, grades were given on a pass-fail basis, and interdisciplinary majors were permitted. One of Hillary’s strengths as a leader, still evident, was her willingness to participate in the drudgery of government rather than simply direct policy.

I’m relieved that the intelligence community has reached this conclusion, but I vehemently disagree with the president that nothing’s changed and therefore nothing in American policy has to change. I have for two years advocated diplomatic engagement with Iran, and I think that’s what the president should do.

VoteMatch Responses
Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's right
(+5 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 2:
Require hiring more women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 3:
Same-sex domestic partnership benefits
(+5 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 4:
Teacher-led prayer in public schools
(+2 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 9:
Mandatory Three Strikes sentencing laws
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Favors topic 5:
More federal funding for health coverage
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Parents choose schools via vouchers
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 18:
Replace coal & oil with alternatives
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Opposes topic 19:
Drug use is immoral: enforce laws against it
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 11:
Make taxes more progressive
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Favors topic 12:
Illegal immigrants earn citizenship
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 16:
Stricter limits on political campaign funds
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 14:
The Patriot Act harms civil liberties
(+5 points on Social scale)

Sources: http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/hillary_clinton.htm

Thanks to NYCLiberal for putting this together.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511296941#post61

[marions ghost]

24. Thanks for posting

I will definitely read it, though I have a real problem with the assumptions behind that graph at the bottom. And I'm a fan of Robert Reich.

But I will read and respond later.

[JohnnyLib2]

29. Thanks. Too much history gets lost in the current disagreements.

Some 4 decades of her stance are outlined above.....

[Laughing Mirror]

35. Voted YES on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations. (Apr 2001)

That's interesting.

So is:
Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record. (Dec 2003)

100 pro peace, Hillary Clinton. Very very interesting.

[Lone_Wolf]

22. This article break's down Hillary's progressivism nicely

http://www.nofrackingway.us/2016/02/24/hillary-clinton-one-twisted-political-hack/

[marions ghost]

32. thank you

This is a long read but looks good--I will have time later today and will do.

[earthside]

31. Hillary is a Rockefeller Republican.

In other words, she finds a few social-cultural-envornomental issues on which to be slightly liberal, but mostly centrist.

On economic and foreign policy issues she is distinctly conservative.

Her friendships/support with Henry Kissinger, Lloyd Blankfein, Alice Walton are indicative of her ideological bent.

Although on the whole, Hillary is mostly just about what can advance Hillary at any given moment.

[LonePirate]

33. Her push for health care reform back in the 90s was very liberal at the time.

It may not seem so now; but it was a very liberal concept 25 years ago.

[Baobab]

39. Except it covered up something that was the bad right wing kind of liberalisation

a trade deal that attempted to prevent forever all the positive kinds of health care which we need desperately.

[LonePirate]

57. Um, exactly how is that trade deal from 2008 relevant to her health care reform from the early 90s?

Did you misread the timelines or is there some 15 year connection between them which I am missing?

[MaggieD]

37. SCHIP, Head Start, Pro-choice.....

Against CAFTA, for gun regulations, pro-immigration reform, championed LGBT rights around the globe, anti voter suppression, pro voting rights, expand SS, debt free college, pro ACA, universal pre-K, fund alternative energy, the list is long.

I think you need to study up on her positions more closely. http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton.htm

[marions ghost]

40. Let's start with one-- "fund alternative energy" -- like Fracking?

Depends what the meaning of alternative energy is...in my mind it does NOT include fracking.

Her flip-flop on the XL pipeline is also telling.

[MaggieD]

41. No, like solar and wind

The only time I have seen her support fracking was in European countries that are constantly having their oil and gas imports shut off by Russia as Putin uses them to keep countries under his thumb as hostages.

[marions ghost]

44. Check out the debate last night

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/03/06/3757137/sanders-hits-clinton-on-fracking/

On Fracking, Clinton And Sanders Give Vastly Different Answers
by Emily Atkin Mar 6, 2016 10:21 pm
---------
Democratic presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders gave vastly different answers on fracking at the CNN Democratic debate on Sunday, illustrating a key policy contrast between the two.

The candidates were asked by University of Michigan student Sarah Bellaire about whether they support fracking, the controversial process of injecting high-pressure water, sand, and chemicals underground to crack shale rock and let gas flow out more easily. Clinton, who answered first, said she does — but only under certain conditions.
Specifically, Clinton said that she would not support fracking when local communities don’t want it; when it causes pollution; and when fracking companies don’t disclose the chemicals they use.

“By the time we get through all of my conditions, I do not think there will be many places in America where fracking will continue to take place,” she said, adding that some places with fracking are not sufficiently regulated. “We have to regulate everything that is currently underway, and we have to have a system in place that prevents further fracking unless conditions like the ones that I just mentions are met.”

When asked the same question, however, Sanders had a different response. “My answer is a lot shorter. No. I do not support fracking,” he said to applause.

[MaggieD]

47. Yes, exactly like I said

"Specifically, Clinton said that she would not support fracking when local communities don’t want it; when it causes pollution; and when fracking companies don’t disclose the chemicals they use."

Here's the thing - Clinton is adult enough to understand that the answer to a question is seldom "Always" or "Never." Sanders, to me, is like a little kid who only sees things in black and white, and offers no alternative either.

It's another reason why I do not support him.

[marions ghost]

52. You didn't read my post

The regulatory ideas that you cite that Clinton advocates are too little, too late. And she knew that. Fracking is a clear cut issue among liberals--it need to STOP--as of yesterday. Enough of it has happened so that everyone knows it is harmful. Hillary is often behind the curve when it comes to things she really doesn't understand.
---------
Check out this letter from Sanders to Clinton on the XL pipeline (just posted in this forum):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511433878

(PS--don't bother with that Sanders is a little kid stuff--I want to discuss issues in a civilized, non-name calling way please).

[marions ghost]

46. Obviously I don't share her faith in government regulation

to do a thing about making fracking safe and not pollute fragile water supplies.

We already KNOW that communities don't want it, that it causes pollution (and earthquakes), and that fracking companies are not compelled to disclose any chemicals they use.

Hillary knows that old horse left the barn years ago. She has done nothing but (tacitly) support it. By the time we "get through all of her "conditions" at this late date, we will have fracked the hell out of America.

I strongly OBJECT that Hillary is "progressive" on alternative energy.

[MaggieD]

48. So why vote for Sanders then?

He wants to turn the entire healthcare system over to the government to be regulated.

[marions ghost]

50. For everyone's benefit--is his motive in healthcare

Fracking benefits nobody --except for a few jobs which could be found in wind and solar.

Healthcare (Bernie direction) is a plus and fracking is a minus.

The American healthcare system, though better than it was, is still a nightmare. We have to try something else. It is not working for the average American. It is a total mess. But vested interests do not want to reduce the costs of health care. Getting rich and richer, off of sickness.

[MaggieD]

51. Fracking benefits Bulgaria

... for instance. Unless you think freezing to death because Putin cut off the countries oil and gas is something to look forward to. Fracking is certainly preferable in some situations. And not something the federal government can outlaw anyway.

But in any case, your argument about "government regulation" falls flat when you support Bernie who wants to regulate everything, including every single piece of your health care.

[marions ghost]

54. Nope

Fracking is never preferable. Not even in Bulgaria.

The federal government can stop fracking. Yes they didn't do it when they should have, but they can still stop it.

It's silly to compare heathcare to fracking--I'm not going there. Talk about healthcare if you like--separately. Then I'm listening.

[-none]

61. No, he doesn't. It is the health insurance companies practicing medicine that he wants stopped.

What better way than Single Payer, Universal Health care. The health care itself is still private. The "Your Money or Your Life", for profit health insurance companies, need to go the way of the buggy whip manufactures. Too many people are still dying because of lack of coverage, so as to better maintain profits.
In other words, fix the problem, the private insurance companies quest of profits over coverage. The solution is to get rid of the private health insurance companies altogether and join the rest of the industrialized world in the 21 Century.

Your post is a Republican talking point, BTY.

[Baobab]

42. Hillary Clinton is pro trade deals and dont be fooled by her saying anything differently.

her husband is the single human being most commonly associated with the WTO and its GATS that is gradually tearing apart public services all around the world... to make the world safe for corporations.

its irreversible.. bernie is being way too kind to not mention this, it basically makes New Deal programs, as well as prohibits new public services (any that were not there in the mid 90s) impossible.

[MaggieD]

43. Why did she vote against CAFTA and come out against the TPP then?

Sorry, your imagination is no substitute for her actual votes and policy positions.

[Baobab]

38. Well, the Clintos are globally associated with 'progressive liberalisation' which is privatization +

subsequent services liberalisation - You can look at the Indian media to see what that means, basically the gutting of public services to create market based reforms, getting rid of the right to education, making a level playing fireld for educational corporate interests- education brands, blocking any abiity to reverse that process by means of the ratchet.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. Being an ACLU monitor for Black Panther trials.

Going to South Carolina , fresh out of law school, to work to prevent juvenile offenders from being housed with adult offenders. Going to Alabama, around the same time, to investigated private segregated academies designed to thwart desegregation orders. Being the inspiration for the Children's Health And Insurance Program which provides insurance to 8,000,000 working class and poor kids. Her tireless work on behalf of the Children's Defense Fund.

Character isn't defined by what you do when the lights are on you but what what you do when the lights are off you.

[marions ghost]

55. Politicians ALWAYS know the "lights" are on them

Always. Let's not make her some sort of Princess Diana, who didn't have to politic for the monarchy.

We know that Hillary has worked for children's causes off and on. But this activity would be supported by centrists and moderate Republicans as well. It was not risking anything.

I am looking for specific liberal issues that Hillary has actually made any real progress on--ie. concrete reasons why the growing numbers of Sanders type of (social democrat) progressives should be expected to fall into line behind her. Concrete reasons, not promises.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. I can't think of many moderate Republicans

I can't think of many moderate Republicans who would go to South Carolina , fresh out of law school, to work to prevent juvenile offenders from being housed with adult offenders, go to Alabama, around the same time, to investigate private segregated academies designed to thwart desegregation orders, and would be the inspiration for the Children's Health And Insurance Program which provides insurance to 8,000,000 working class and poor kids. Do her tireless work on behalf of the Children's Defense Fund.

[marions ghost]

58. Old style centrist Republicans did support helping kids--

Senator Hatch (R) worked with Edward Kennedy, to make CHIP happen. The Clinton's supported it. But I am looking for issues that are only supported or introduced by left wing Liberals that were supported by Hillary-- issues that Clinton has done anything about specifically. And I'm not seeing many.

From wiki on CHIP:

"As a part of the fallout from the failed 1993 Clinton health care plan, both Democratic Senator Ted Kennedy and the Clinton administration were looking for smaller initiatives for publicly funded health care that could gain bipartisan support.[5]

Kennedy was intrigued by a children's health insurance plan in Massachusetts that had passed in 1996, and met with a Boston Medical Center pediatrics director and a Massachusetts state legislator to discuss the feasibility of a national initiative.[13] Kennedy also saw using an increase in tobacco taxes as a way to pay for the expanded coverage.[13] Thus, in October 1996, Kennedy introduced a bill to provide health care coverage for children of the working poor, to be financed via a 75 cents a pack cigarette tax increase.[6]

The new initiative was proposed at Bill Clinton's January 1997 State of the Union address, with the stated goal of coverage up to five million children.[5][6] Kennedy continued to write much of the bill, using the increase in tobacco taxes to pay the $20 billion price tag.[4] In March 1997, Kennedy brought Republican Senator Orrin Hatch onto the legislation as co-sponsor; Kennedy and Hatch had worked together as an "odd couple" in the Senate before, and here Hatch said that "Children are being terribly hurt and perhaps scarred for the rest of their lives" and that "as a nation, as a society, we have a moral responsibility" to provide coverage.[4] Hatch's role would infuriate some Republican colleagues[16][17] and conservative commentators.[18] The First Lady did not hold news conferences or testify before Congress on behalf of the bill.[14]

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. Hatch wanted to help kids. Kudos for him.

Did he go down to early 1970s South Carolina and Alabama to work to stop the housing of juvenile offenders and adult offenders together or clandestinely investigate segregated private designed to thwart desegregation orders around the same time or be a ACLU observer to ensure Black Panthers get a fair trial or work for Legal Aid and the Children's Defense Fund?

No, no, no, and...no.

[marions ghost]

60. What I'm saying is...

Centrist Republicans and Liberals of all stripes supported helping kids. This is not a left liberal issue.

MY QUESTION is:

What is an issue --that no Republicans would support-- where Hillary has come down on the side of left Liberals (Bernie supporters)?

Anything that provides some proof that she has ever heard them and agrees?