2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFace it. Outside of the south, Hillary struggles.
Out of the south, she either ekes out wins (IA and MA), loses (CO, OK, NE) or get absolutely clobbered (VT, NH, ME, KS, MN).
She has a real problem with wider appeal.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)She wins key Democratic demographics (Bernie wins some too, particularly the youth vote).
But to say that the support is limited is to ignore the reality that she has so far earned the most delegates, polls more strongly in large blue and purple states like Pennsylvania than Bernie does, and that her coalition is more ethnically diverse.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)So you're saying that all the delegates that Hillary has earned in the primaries so far, are bribed? What a bizarre thing to say.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)which she earned in the primaries and caucuses so far.
Although it's absurd to say that about the super delegates too.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts).
It's the old adage, "You father was born before you!"
Meaning that a rich kid wouldn't have been rich if his father wasn't successful first!
HRC is riding the coattails of WJC.
The worrisome thing is that HRC falls flat even with the establishment fully supporting her.
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Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)This is soooooo friggin cool.....
just
......happily
................ sayin................
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)fourcents
(107 posts)ethnically diverse is changing more to Sanders as people find out about him. One thing is for sure is, Sanders draws much more politically diverse electorate which would make him a better choice in the general. So why not fight the good fight with us.
I don't think he's the best choice for president.
fourcents
(107 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Those polls mean nothing at this stage.
More importantly, I don't think Bernie has the temperament for the job.
fourcents
(107 posts)You need to find out more about the amendment king. Fellow representatives from both sides have said he has gotten things passed without even taking credit. Bernie Sanders sticks to what's right even when it's not fashionable. Being not for sale and having the highest trustworthy quota of all the candidates not important? Well still voting and serving us in the Senate (check the votes Rubio missed well campaigning) he's campaigning across the country.
I afraid if it's Trump and Hillary, Trump will go to the center and destroy Hillary the poster girl for the banks & exporting jobs. Bernie because of his temperament will get things done. Hillary will get things done for her donors and all the lobbyist working in her campaign. But we may not have to worry because Populous Centrist Bernie has just been going up & up which is great for us progressive Democrats and the rest of the country too.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Unless you consider Michigan to be a Southern state...
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)So what does that make us?
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)More that half of US states run farther north than the southernmost extremity of Canada.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Quite an evening.
UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)Do you really want to talk about struggles when your candidate's base is essentially white liberals? They both have issues.
You beat me by one minute.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)and demand that Latinos get their white privilege cards immediately!
Bernie won the Latino vote in Nevada and Colorado.
UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)N/T
Zorra
(27,670 posts)and Native Americans exist in the US.
People of Asian, Hispanic, and Native American ancestry make up 26% of Colorado's population.
Perhaps "one" needs to learn a great deal more about the world around "one".
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Not surprisingly, this often annoys the hell out of my Latino, Asian, and Native friends.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Mostly Latino, then White, then well just about everyone else except Togolese.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)and even Alabama.
fourcents
(107 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)white_wolf
(6,238 posts)Sorry that's just a pet peeve of mine.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Even in some very white states, he can't win (IA and MA)! And he gets absolutely clobbered in the South, or anywhere with a racially diverse electorate.
He has a real problem with wider appeal.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Aha
(53 posts)She will lose MI, after she insulted the Michiganders tonight.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Nyan
(1,192 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)bigtree
(86,005 posts)...with limited diversity.
That's not 'wider appeal,' it's a Sanders failure to secure the support of the Obama coalition.
consciouslocs
(43 posts)Yavin4
(35,445 posts)Massachusetts - 603,784
Link: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html
Lorien
(31,935 posts)Bernie is also far more popular with independents than she is, which counts in the general election.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But I like it
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)We know who are families are.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But I suspect I will have three hours to write a long analysis piece on this...and the GOP
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)why does the DNC still think that she's worth betting on?
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Because it doesn't matter to them if we lose this time around, they still got theirs.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)They're counting on Wall Street candidate's win. They don't mind giving away 2016 to the repugs.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)I wish that Hillary's supporters would understand this.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)Because those are the states you absolutely need to win, if you know what I mean.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)And I imagine many superdelegates are taking note of that fact.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...so was Michigan. And Michigan represents the first diverse, populous blue state primary of this campaign. Way too small of a sample size to say Clinton "has serious trouble in blue states."
And it's important to not conflate the Democratic electorate of the Deep South with the overall electorate of the Deep South.
Time will tell how much Clinton struggles outside of the Deep South. Just as time will tell how successful Sanders can be outside of New England and small caucus states that lack diversity. For now, the sample size is too small to make any determinations one way or another.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)I don't see that she could do so much better here than the rest of New England.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)You can win some of the poeple . . . . .
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Just sayin........
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...he was competitive there with independents.
That might not work as well in other states.