Look fellow Bernie supporters can we stop posting about Hillary's emails?

[JRLeft]

What she did was no different than Rice or Powell. It's a non issue unless you are a member of the GOP.

[Merryland]

1. I don't think so.

The FBI investigation is ongoing.

[cantbeserious]

2. Roger That - Brainwashing By The DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Establishment - Won't Stop The Questions

eom

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. Only someone who hates the truth

And is doing their best to squash the upcoming bad news would say that. Why not post it at home, with your other hillarians?

[pdsimdars]

13. Hillarians == love it, because the stuff they say is Hillarious

[Katashi_itto]

4. No.

[Bubzer]

32. +1

[AtomicKitten]

5. Neither Rice nor Powell had and used their own private server.

[99th_Monkey]

11. Nor were Rice or Powell negotiating questionable arms deals with shady foreign entities

in exchange for huge donations to their private foundation, while serving as SoS.

[ebayfool]

30. It totally amazes me that more people don't get that! TY!

One is not the same as the other!

[Autumn]

6. Her emails are being investigated by the FBI. I think we can discuss that.

I seriously don't remember Rice or Powell's e mails being investigated by the FBI. Got a link to that happening? Don't like it being discussed use the trash keyword function.

[Maedhros]

7. The FBI doesn't investigate on a lark.

Unless you want to claim that Obama's Justice Department is helping the GOP attack Hillary for no reason, which makes zero sense.

Rice and Powell were in the wrong as well.

[99th_Monkey]

8. Hill's emails are a non-issue, unless they reveal criminal activity

and there is an indictment; i.e. illegal quid pro quo arms deals while
Hillary was SoS ... THEN, it WILL be very much "an issue", and IMHO it's
best that Democrats and the American Public are not totally blind-sided
by it when it derails her campaign.

There are over 100 FBI agents working on this, one Hillary staffer has
turned 'states evidence' in exchange for immunity from prosecution.

It behoves Democrats to not simply ignore this, until it blows up in
our faces.

[The empressof all]

9. This is a highly partisan message board

Clearly lines are drawn between the Sanders and Clinton camps. I doubt we are going to change anyones vote here for the primaries. It's good to get it all out there. Do you really think the Republicans are not capable of bringing out the big guns against our candidates once the final contest begins? We are making our candidates stronger not weaker...."A bright light is the best disinfectant"

[pdsimdars]

10. So you think the FBI is partisan and has it out against Hillary?

[basselope]

12. I agree...so many other reason to never vote for her.

This e-mail thing is just nonsense.

Voting for the Iraq war disqualifies her from being commander in chief.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

15. Libya, Syria, Ukraine, and more

That is the sum of her "experience"

A never ending list of judgment failures.

[JRLeft]

17. Thousands of reasons.

[SunSeeker]

14. K & R

[Jarqui]

16. Can you provide the details of the subpoenas Condoleezza Rice and Colin

Powell received when their Foundations got $5+ million from countries like Saudi Arabia and companies like Boeing?

Can you provide the details of why Rice and Powell were allowed to store classified materials unauthorized on servers in their homes?

Maybe when you can answer things like that, folks will shut up about it. Until then, you'd better get used to it because it will be worse when the GOP bring it up during the general election.

It's been nearly a year and Hillary hasn't stepped up to answer things like this. In fact, even her staff hasn't unless they got an immunity deal - which should be troubling for even her most staunch supporters.

Somehow, hundreds of FBI and Intelligence Community agents have spent months looking at this. Can you explain why it would take them months to conclude "there's nothing here"? Wouldn't they start to pull back resources long before then if there was "nothing"?

Stating this is just like what Rice and Powell did suggests you've been drinking way too much Clinton Kool-Aid. They've spent their political lifetime lying to and deceiving the American people. This situation is very likely no different.

[JRLeft]

19. Trump will be crushed by Hillary, neither will reverse the course we are on

only Bernie will.

[Jarqui]

23. I'm not so sure of that. The candidates getting the most enthusiasm are

Trump and Sanders. I think it's because, like Obama in 2008, they represent change.

Hillary and Trump are the two least liked candidates in history.

Hillary represents keeping things the same.

The majority of the people want change. I think the majority will hold their nose and give Trump a chance to change things over holding their nose to keep things the same with Hillary.

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

[JRLeft]

26. Don't Trump is widely despised he's not winning anything.

[Metric System]

27. Enthusiasm? So why are more people voting for Hillary?

[Jarqui]

48. They're just following what the corporate media is telling them to do nt

[mmonk]

18. I don't start email threads. I think the Bernie campaign

has the compelling arguments on its side without the email controversy. That said, I won't attack those that do unless they use the "Benghazi" false narratives of the right. I think our political and economic messages are strong and valid.

[Kalidurga]

20. On one hand I agree

I think we need to stop worrying about where her server was. On the other hand no one seems to care that Hillary was crowing about the more liberal party in the Honduras being voted out. Which if they were bad fine then it's a good thing. But, less than a year later the situation in the Honduras was devolving and she was warned on several occasions about that and I don't see where anything was done to head off the crisis of thousands of children being sent from the Honduras to the United States only to be cruelly turned back.

[Punkingal]

21. Look, I don't post OPS about it, but I comment, because it worries me.

Because there are people who vote who will never believe she didn't do something wrong, no matter the outcome. I am not one of them, but I think the whole thing is a problem we could have lived without. I am talking about perception.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. Can we let the Doj continue

there are three (or four) ongoing investigations, One is civil, the other three have possibly criminal exposures.

I recommend you use the tool that lets you ignore this issue. I suggest you add the word watergate to it though.

And I say this as an independent voter who has following this too closely.

[JRLeft]

34. There are so many other issues to after her on, this is a waste of time IMO.

[BuelahWitch]

24. No.

[dana_b]

25. not until the truth comes out

oh, and those transcripts....

[ebayfool]

28. They didn't set up private servers in their homes. So ... not the same.

It's just amazing to me that more people don't get the difference. Email does not equal server. From what I've read, they had about a dozen emails on private email accounts. Clinton had thousands. This while a 2011 State Department memo that went out under Clinton’s name warned of:

"Avoid conducting official Department business from your personal email accounts."

"Do not auto-forward department email to personal email accounts, which is prohibited by department policy (12 FAM 544.3)"


http://www.docfoc.com/state-department-cable-june-28-2011

[JRLeft]

29. Oh I know the difference, I don't find it to be relevant. I doubt anyone goes to prison

over this.

[Bubzer]

35. We all know this is less about prison and more about the lack of integrity she'd bring...

to the white house.

[JRLeft]

41. She has no integrity. She's bought and paid for that's my problem with her.

Her neoliberalism and neoconservativism too.

[Bubzer]

50. I wholeheartedly agree.

It's why I authored this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511317433

[ebayfool]

42. You are the one that equated them as being the same (no different)!

I'm not the one conflating @ a dozen emails with a private server.

And you don't find it relevant, but others do. So calling them the same, while telling others to drop the issue is bullshit.

No one may go to jail, but it is an issue in that it goes to show hubris, forethought, carelessness, ... any number of character flaws or traits. These are also things voters take into consideration when electing the 'Leader of the Free World'!

Transparency. It's a good thing.

[JRLeft]

45. IMO we come off looking desperate and foolish.

I don't believe anything she has to say, but this issue is not one we need to prove our point.

[H2O Man]

31. Respectfully disagree.

[Bubzer]

33. "can we stop posting about Hillary's emails" Absolutely not.

It's yet another embarrassment in a long list of embarrassments. It needs to be brought to the forefront specifically because this person is who wants to be our president. Do you really want someone who's going to be committing this style of action over and over to be our POTUS? I sure as hell don't.

[Half-Century Man]

36. The problem isnt emails, it's the server and what it represents

She, and others, were so arrogant that they chose to operate outside of carefully set up internet protocols for their personal convenience.
What does "personal convenience" mean? Is it to make texting easier by skipping password protection? Is it to allow any smart phone to access the server instead of logged phones? Is it to skip past governmental call logs? Is it an attempt to evade FOIA requests? Is it to hide their porn surfing?
Servers do more than email.
If for completely selfish reasons, a person stepped outside of the established security rules in the past, is it a good idea to trust them in the future to operate within even stricter rules?

Powell, Walker, Rice, or anyone else who had a secret server handling governmental documents are not asking to be trusted with launch codes for the world's largest arsenal of thermonuclear weapons. If they were, I would question their judgement as well.

Powell, Walker, Rice, or anyone else who had a secret server handling governmental document should be investigated to ensure they didn't use those illegally stored documents for their own enrichment.

Powell, Walker, Rice, and any others who had/has secret servers most likely understands that cloud backups mean your information is in a computer( in this case multiple computers) you do not have access to or personal control of.

These are not RW talking points They are legitimate concerns about and indicators of the judgement of someone we might endorse as President of the United States. Let us take the time and have the discussion as to the best choice.


FWIW, in the business world, not following established computer protocols is grounds for immediate termination, first offense.

[m-lekktor]

37. Rice or Powell aren't running for president.

and republicans shouldn't be the standard and besides, "they did it too, mommy" is kind of pathetic. Stop embarrassing yourself by using Hillary supporter talking points.

[JRLeft]

43. I'm not using Hillary supporter talking points there are plenty of issues to go after her on.

I consider this one a,waste of time.

[Mike Nelson]

38. What a thread...

...to see Hillary Clinton blamed for the Iraq War while Powell and Rice are defended. At this rate, we'll soon have a DU group for Trump!

[JRLeft]

46. Everyone you named is complicit.

[imagine2015]

39. You just posted about her e-mails!!!!

LOL

[ebayfool]

44. !

[jillan]

40. One of our candidates is being investigated by the FBI. We deserve to know the latest.

And should she become our nominee - just wait.

The Goppers will NOT hold back when it comes to her poor judgement.

[Nictuku]

47. It was wrong when the Bush Admin did it

.. and blamed it on their IT staff (which I don't believe for a minute). There is no way in hell that they didn't have weekly tape backups of their email system, unless ordered not to do so.

It was wrong when Rice or Powell did it,

and,

It was wrong when Hillary did it.

I can not bring myself to be hypocritical on this issue. I was mad as hell about it then (after all, the government works for US), and I'm mad as hell about it now. We could not get any emails leading up to the back room energy deals that Cheney was making.

It is clearly a way to get around the FOIA, lest we forget, that stands for:

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT

No one in government should be able to do this, it is bad enough that so much information is redacted, supposedly in the interest of national security. That too, is oftentimes BS to cover up the corruption.

Corruption is the root of the problem here, we need to root it out of our government.

[840high]

49. No. It's an issue for the FBI and

for me.

[Mufaddal]

51. If and when there is an indictment, then there is an issue.

Until then I'm inclined to leave it alone, but I understand why it bothers others. In their defense, I would say: Rice and Powell aren't running for the highest office in the world.

[Lizzie Poppet]

52. Sorry, "tu quoque" arguments don't convince me, even from a fellow Bernie supporter.

All the fact that a couple of GOP'ers did it too means to me is that there should be two more indictments (dunno what the statute of limitations might be on such things...).

[Attorney in Texas]

53. The email "scandal" is bullshit. The fact that the release emails show Hillary lying to the public

is huge.

Just because it is bullshit to attack the circumstances where the emails came to public light does not mean that the sins revealed within the emails are pardoned.

[RufusTFirefly]

54. There are many other troubling issues more substantive and less speculative

I think we need to let the FBI finish its investigation.
The fact that the FBI is investigating a presidential candidate should give anyone pause.
And no, it's not the same as Powell or Rice for the reasons stated.

That said, undue emphasis on the e-mails is a very risky gamble. If Clinton is vindicated, regardless of the circumstances, it could give her supporters license to delegitimize many other troubling aspects of her record that still deserve scrutiny.

[farmbo]

55. Rove & WH staff ran 3 million emails thru...

... A private RNC server in 2007-8, and, we'll never know if they were top secret because, he disappeared every single one of them.

No investigation.
No FBI agents assigned.
No media interest
No US Atty offering immunity
Nothing... Crickets.