Why does Hillary Clinton accept tens of million of dollars from the enemies of working people?

[imagine2015]

Well, how can that be honestly defended and supported?

Bernie doesn't solicit and accept money from the truly greedy on Wall Street and big business corporate board rooms.

Which side are Hillary and Bernie on?

Follow the money.

[FreakinDJ]

1. Good Question we would ALL like to know the answer to

[Lizzie Poppet]

5. Well...not ALL (see below). (nt)

[FreakinDJ]

7. Not only does Hillary have a problem with Honesty ...

[Hortensis]

37. She gets money needed to get elected in

this very corrupt environment, and the big businesses and wealthy who are really hoping to defeat her hedge their risk by investing money to her campaign for access. In other words, she'll take their calls if she's elected.

You guys are so busy mucking around in your imaginings that you miss what everyone else knows: Hillary is not some little wannabe like Rubio or Cruz going nowhere if they can't get a consortium of billionaires to adopt them. People in her league choose who they will take campaign donations from, who they won't, and how much the donors will be allowed to give.

[PatrickforO]

52. People in her LEAGUE????

Really? Because I think people in Clinton's 'league' don't give a darn about me, my family or any of the rest of middle class or poor America. They've been busy since the birth of the Third Way at fleecing us whenever possible.

Which is why I'm strongly supporting Bernie.

[Hortensis]

60. Bernie didn't bother to vote until he was 40.

He thinks his first time was probably for himself. I'd say that wasn't very caring at all, or responsible.

At the point Bernie was voting for the first time, and in fact had taken what turned out to be his first stable job (as a politician!), Hillary Clinton had already been or was an activist for the Children's Defense Fund (first raising money to pay her own salary), a U.S. congressional legal counsel, cofounder for Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, chair of an organization that provided legal services to those in need, first lady of Arkansas, and head of a task force on school reform. Plus a number of other CARING, progressive contributions to society.

[Hortensis]

62. This thread dropped like a rock after I posted the above.

We were discussing Hillary's "league," and I compared her early history with Bernie's. Wouldn't anyone care to comment?

[Armstead]

71. Sanders was a student activist, getting arrested for protesting segregation...

He drifted as a young man, doing different jobs trying to "find himself" -- which was fairly common for people back in those days. He found his calling and talents in electoral politics, and managed to retain his social conscience and dedication to social and economic justice. He became a very successful -- AND PRAGMATIC AND EFFECTIVE -- mayor and was reelected several times and was named One of America's Best Mayors.

He then was elected to Congress, where he continued to maintain his principles and stand up for social and economic justice. he became unbeatable and was promoted by his constituents to the Senate.

Pretty damn good resume to me.

[Buzz Clik]

2. Whoa. Who knew?

[pdsimdars]

25. How much do they pay you for your services?

[Broward]

39. Who what?

[Buzz Clik]

46. IKR!

[Broward]

47. GFYBS!

[Buzz Clik]

50. Backatcha, bro!

[Broward]

51. Thanks, bro!

[Hoyt]

3. To fund her race against GOPers. She'll still tell Pipeline companies, NRA, etc., to stuff it.

In major races, "enemies of working people" give to both candidates, even their most ardent critics. As long as GOPers are doing it, I'm fine with taking the money and saying "No" when the time comes.

[AzDar]

11. You have that backward, I'm afraid...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511426161

[imagine2015]

14. They will ask her which bank account she wants them to stuff with their millions!

" I'm fine with taking the money and saying "No" when the time comes."

The problem is she has a hard time saying "No" to them at anytime.

How does one say "No" to accepting 130 million dollars in public speaking payoffs?

Answer:

Just say NO! The way Bernie Sanders does!

[Hoyt]

15. And she'll say, "the ones regulated by Dodd-Frank and the Volcker Rule, they are safe, that's better

than Glass-Steagall ever was."

[pdsimdars]

26. Your lack of knowledge is STAGGERING

[Armstead]

72. And saying a lot of quiet "yeses" behind the scenes

[Lizzie Poppet]

4. Because she doesn't really give two shits about them.

The rabble are a useful, fungible commodity.

[jillan]

6. Because she can't get 5 million people donating

to her campaign like Bernie can so she needs to get that $$$ from somewhere.

[BernieforPres2016]

8. Everybody knows why

But not everybody will acknowledge it.

[AzDar]

9. K & R

[DeeDeeNY]

10. Nothing to see here

Please move along http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511425307

[scscholar]

12. Why wouldn't you want someone to hurt them?

She is hurting them by taking their money, and she has confirmed that it doesn't buy influence. It is harmful to those corporations.

[pdsimdars]

30. you ain't no scholar

Al Capone said he didn't commit any crimes too. Do you just believe him?
She speaks out of both sides of her mouth depending on who she is talking to. There is ample evidence out there. Have an open mind and go look at some of the videos.
Then look at some of the videos of Bernie standing on the Senate floor for decades arguing passionately for the people.
It is all there, one a liar and the other a man of integrity. We got it on tape.

[Motown_Johnny]

13. Bernie is approaching 5 million individual donations averaging ~$27.16 each

Hillary went begging for $1.00 donations and made a fool of herself doing so.

I think it is obvious to everyone who's side each candidate is on.








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[nc4bo]

16. Umm, so she can help them, silly!

And when she throws the 99% under the bus, hope no one's surprised and it wouldn't be because some of us tried to prevent it.

Hillary will be building the country's biggest bus to toss us all under. We are NOT her most important supporters (**for more information, see her campaign donations list).

[hobbit709]

17. Because she has more in common with them than with working people.

[Zorro]

18. Do you work for a corporation?

Millions of workers do. Are these folks also enemies of the working class?

[AgingAmerican]

20. Are you in a position to do those corporations political favors?

[Zorro]

23. Do you work for a corporation?

That was the question.

[AgingAmerican]

32. No

Does Hillary? That's the REAL question!

[imagine2015]

21. I am not a Wall Streeter or big business tycoon.

And no, I don't believe that Wall Street and big business represent the interests of working people.

They never have and never will.

It's all about class ..... unless you think we live in a classless society.

[Zorro]

27. Well, I think corporations do tend to represent the interests of the people that work for them

but you didn't answer the question. Do you work for a corporation? Are corporate workers enemies of the "working class"?

[pdsimdars]

33. No they don't --

They represent the management and investors, not the actual workers. If they gave a shit about their workers, why did over 60,000 corporations LEAVE the US after NAFTA?
Or maybe you mean they are now representing the interests of their NEW employees in China?
Please, get over yourself and your nonsense.

[Zorro]

35. Costco doesn't represent the interests of their workers?

Ben and Jerry's doesn't represent the interests of their workers? Not from what I've heard.

Got any evidence to back up your assertion that 60,000 corporations left the US after NAFTA? I'm curious where this particular talking point came from.

[tkmorris]

36. "Well, I think corporations do tend to represent the interests of the people that work for them"

I would be embarrassed had I made such a claim. I think that maintaining my intellectual integrity is more important that winning any argument ever could be. I know that the statement above serves your argument but I also am quite certain that you know it's a falsehood. It will be much harder to take you seriously going forward with a post like this one on your resume.

[Zorro]

40. Suit yourself

The meme common in many of these threads that "all corporations are evil" and "corporations are never concerned about their workers" are simple and broad-brushed assertions that don't hold up under scrutiny. There are corporations that do value and respect their intellectual capital and worker populations, whether one wants to admit it or not.

[imagine2015]

38. Like Wal-Mart for example?

"Are corporate workers enemies of the "working class"?

You seem to be saying that Wall Street and bib business are natural allies of working class people because they employ workers. Is that your point? If so, that's absolute nonsense.

So are workers the class enemies of themselves? No!

And are capitalists the enemies of the capitalist class? No!

[Zorro]

45. Then what about Google?

Is that an evil corporation that isn't interested in their workers' welfare? Not from what I've heard.

And of course I wasn't saying Wall Street is a natural ally of the working class, but thanks for bringing up that misconception.

The point I'm making is that there are examples of many corporations that do recognize that their employees are valued assets, whether one cares to admit it or not.

And then there are the Wal-Marts of the world, which I do agree does seem to have a more adversarial relationship with their workers. It's not a one-size-fits-all corporate environment, but the more successful ones do respect their employees.

[liberal_at_heart]

70. Amazon, CVS, Dish Network, Dollar General, Ross, Sears, Xerox, Forever 21, Kmart, Dillard's,

Express Scripts. These are all companies employees hate working for and there are many, many, many more corporations employees hate working for. This is just a small list.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/worst-companies-130656663.html

[Chan790]

55. The gravest error of the working class...

remains what it always has been:

Not recognizing the capitalists they work for as being what they really are--the enemy.

[VulgarPoet]

64. Reminds me of something.

“So long as they (the Proles) continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern...Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult.”

--George Orwell, "1984"

[AgingAmerican]

19. "Cuz that's what they offered!"

[imagine2015]

22. They were the high bidders?

LOL

[Maedhros]

24. Because she agrees with them? [n/t]

[NorthCarolina]

28. Because they're not HER enemies, their her peers, her friends,

her mentors.

[Wry Grin]

29. They're not on your side.

HRC is neocon-lite. Drumpf the Clown is a war criminal wannabe. Sanders isn't a hawk but only the puppets of profiteers can get into office until the USA regains valid elections.

Democrat and Republican are merely two sides of the same counterfeit coin in the pocket of sociopathic greed.

It's not as if anyone in America would really have any say anyway, at the moment.

In strategic population centers of over 40 states, actual counts of real ballots have been replaced by the use of foreign-built devices owned by unaccountable corporations. These electronic systems are proprietary and of undisclosed design, build, programming, and operation. They are vulnerable to easily-concealed manipulations and known to lose, switch, and fake votes. They were unsecured and obsolete when new and that was over a decade ago now. Democracy dies via digital disenfranchisement ...

Some wonder why more tech savvy young people don't turn out to vote. Those young people wonder why they try to call it that.

[Mufaddal]

31. It's not just Hillary

Hillary's situation is just a symptom of a much bigger structural problem with the Democratic Party as a whole for ages now. Actually, it's such a problem that I think it's a mistake to continuously and single Hillary out for it. Yeah, your question is fair, and it is worthy of an answer. But it's a question we need to pose to virtually every elected official, or we are taking our eyes of the bigger picture.

[FarPoint]

34. Because the heated campaign season is half way done...

One utilizes ALL resources.... This is the " Game of Thrones "...

[VulgarPoet]

65. More "House of Cards", really.

I'd rather not imagine Hillary with a dragon brought to heel.

[awake]

41. Because most "working people" who give money give it to Bernie

She has no where else to go. I wonder how much money she has left?

[ibegurpard]

42. Because that's what she believes?

I wouldn't take money from any interest groups whose value and missions don't align with my own. If I did I would have trouble explaining how I had any credibility.

[Jitter65]

43. Well, what better way to weaken the enemy than to garner their resources? nt

[ibegurpard]

44. your mistake is in assuming who her enemy is.

[imagine2015]

49. Paying big bucks to politicians is just part of the normal cost of doing business.

Wall Street and big business are spending that money to strengthen and promote their interests, not to weaken their influence.

They are not giving this money to Hillary and others unaware that this money will somehow be used against them.

Do you really think they are that stupid?

[HereSince1628]

48. Because pragmatism. Money is neither good or bad, but more is usually better than less

no matter where it comes from.

[Chan790]

53. Obvious question has obvious answer.

This is key, so pay attention:

Because Hillary Clinton is the enemy of working people.

[Csainvestor]

54. The real question is why these companies give Hillary tens of millions of dollars

These companies will impoverish grandmothers in order to make another penny in profit. These companies ONLY care about profit, so why then would they throw billions of dollars away on DLC democrats?

[Chan790]

56. As my best friend's ex-fiancee told me...

she's an investment banker on Wall Street...she said to me:

"Hillary is the best investment we've ever made. She knows who owns her."

(A hint...it's not the dupes that would cast a ballot for her in the primaries.)

[Smarmie Doofus]

57. I think you know the answer to that one, Imagine. nt

[warrprayer]

58. As Dylan said

"Money doesn't talk, it swears"

[Karmadillo]

59. Bizarro World Hillary take lots of money from enemies of working people to destroy

enemies of working people!

[Maedhros]

61. The enemies of working people are not Hillary's enemies, so she doesn't care.[n/t]

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

63. The comfort of the rich relies on an abundant supply of the poor. Voltaire

Hillary is no longer "dead broke" and she is very comfortable.

[Jitter65]

66. Maybe because those enemies of working people provide most of the jobs for working people? nt

[senz]

68. That's what Republicans say!

[Vinca]

67. Maybe it's got something to do with $250,000 per speech.

[mmonk]

69. Because Bernie doesn't care about POC and is a radical

because he wants to help the poor and working poor making him a commie or Trump supporter. Didn't you get the memo? He's even against the American Jesus and benefactor lords, too big to fail, and the lord god, greed. By his mere running against Clinton, he is a misogonyst and opposes America's favorite past time, endless war.