Bernie Sanders challenges Hillary Clinton's view on outsourcing

[Uncle Joe]

Democratic presidential aspirant Bernie Sanders has challenged his party's front-runner Hillary Clinton's view on outsourcing by digging out her four-year-old interview to an Indian TV news channel in which she is seen saying that "outsourcing" is part of India-US economic ties.

"Well, you know, it's been going on for many years now and it's part of our economic relationship with India," Clinton told the Indian news channel on May 7, 2012. The interview video along with the relevant transcripts was distributed to media on Friday by the Sanders Campaign.

"This new video shows Secretary Clinton says different things to different audiences about outsourcing," said Jeff Weaver, Bernie 2016 campaign manager. "In the US she condemns it but when she's in India she says it has benefited many parts of our country. Secretary Clinton should explain to the people of Michigan how they have benefited from the outsourcing of their manufacturing jobs," Weaver said.

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Weaver said given the Clinton s long history of supporting job-crushing trade deals it s not a surprise she thinks there are 'pluses' to outsourcing. "But to go abroad and just describe it 'as part of our economic relationship with India' is disturbing when so many communities like Detroit and Flint that have been hurt so badly by outsourcing. America workers need a president they can trust to protect their jobs," he said.

Weaver said the video shows why voters should be allowed to see the transcripts of Clinton's secret paid speeches. "If she's willing to say positive things about outsourcing when she knows she s on film in India, we can only imagine what she told Goldman Sachs, foreign banking interests, drug companies and other corporate interests in those closed-door speeches she was paid millions to give. Voters deserve to see them," Weaver said.


http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-bernie-sanders-challenges-hillary-clinton-s-view-on-outsourcing-2185862

[Gregorian]

1. So if she doesn't release the transcripts, what's our next move?

She's obviously not going to release them. So now it's our move again.

We're going to have to find some other way of getting Americans to know who she is, if our media won't do it.

[Uncle Joe]

3. Hillary will never release the transcripts of the speeches she gave to her clients, but that

doesn't mean we shouldn't continually call for them to be released.

As Hillary has given multiple messages depending on the crowd that she is speaking to, full disclosure would enable the people to most wisely deliberate on the critical choice as to which candidate should get the nomination.

[bvar22]

14. If she continues to sandbag the transcripts,

then the issue becomes What is Hillary hiding?
and Why is she so afraid to release the transcripts of paid speeches?

Imagination is usually worse than the reality,
and Hillary already has HUGE Trust Issues. This will only feed those flames.

[Gregorian]

24. There we go.

And I had asked because I was not finding what I knew was a simple strategy. Great thought on imagination too.

Thanks!

[Hoyt]

2. What do you expect her to say? -- Americans couldn't care less about India, pull yourself up by your

bootstraps.

It amazes me just how unsympathetic some Americans are to countries like India. We took more than our share of the world's wealth and resources, but too many appear to not care.

[Uncle Joe]

5. I believe Hillary could make a great Prime Minister of India but the American People

have no power to decide that, we're only in control of electing our own leaders.

Trade should benefit the peoples of all nations engaged in that endeavor but trade that hollows out a society while the oligarchs and mega-corporations reap the rewards by using virtual slave labor/sweat shops on the one hand while slowly creating like conditions on the other can only create economic disruption and societal instability.

[Hoyt]

6. I get it, you believe America first, let other countries fend for themselves. Nationalism.

[Uncle Joe]

7. No, I believe America for the people first not the oligarchs and mega-corporations. When the

American Nation as a whole is strongest we are most enabled to aid other nations in moving forward just as we did with The Marshall Plan.

When the American People are on their knees as our own current societal upheavals, long neglected crumbling infrastructure, lagging behind other advanced nations on key issues such as health care, education, elimination of poverty and addressing climate change attest to, our ability to help other nations progress becomes increasingly diminished.

[Enthusiast]

22. Beautifully said, Uncle Joe!

[Ken Burch]

32. No. Justice for all.

It's not as if the ONLY possible way to reduce poverty in other countries is to take jobs away from people here.

There don't have to be only a limited number of jobs, and it doesn't have to be playing off people here against people there.

The problem is corporate control of the economic decision-making process.

[RiverLover]

8. We've got so much wealth....

Camden, NJ


Baltimore, MD


Mississippi


Flint, MI


LA, CA

Let's just worry about employing people via cheap labor in other countries because we care so damn much.

[Hoyt]

10. 85‰ or so of Americans are the world's 4%ers.

[RiverLover]

12. Sorry, I don't care even if that's true. We have serious poverty in this country & it doesn't

have to be that way.

Let the other countries pull themselves up & fix their own problems.

Charity begins at home.

Research: Nearly half of children in the U.S. live close to poverty line
Published on March 3, 2016

......."The fact is, despite the significant gains we've made in expanding nutrition and health insurance programs to reach the children most in need, millions of children are living in families still struggling to make ends meet in our low-growth, low-wage economy."

According to NCCP researchers, the number of poor children in the U.S. grew by 18 percent from 2008 to 2014 (the latest available data), and the number of children living in low-income households grew by 10 percent.

....................

http://www.news-medical.net/news/20160303/Research-Nearly-half-of-children-in-the-US-live-close-to-poverty-line.aspx

PS. You sound JUST LIKE a republican.

There's a reason for that. If you could somehow manage to not sound like a rethug, though, defending republican policies enacted by "Democrats" it would be quite the feat.

[Uncle Joe]

13. It's all relative as to which nation you live in and what standard of living you're comparing it to,

85% or so of Americans don't some close to the top 4% in the U.S.

Economic Inequality: It’s Far Worse Than You Think

In a candid conversation with Frank Rich last fall, Chris Rock said, "Oh, people don’t even know. If poor people knew how rich rich people are, there would be riots in the streets." The findings of three studies, published over the last several years in Perspectives on Psychological Science, suggest that Rock is right. We have no idea how unequal our society has become.
In their 2011 paper, Michael Norton and Dan Ariely analyzed beliefs about wealth inequality. They asked more than 5,000 Americans to guess the percentage of wealth (i.e., savings, property, stocks, etc., minus debts) owned by each fifth of the population. Next, they asked people to construct their ideal distributions. Imagine a pizza of all the wealth in the United States. What percentage of that pizza belongs to the top 20% of Americans? How big of a slice does the bottom 40% have? In an ideal world, how much should they have?
The average American believes that the richest fifth own 59% of the wealth and that the bottom 40% own 9%. The reality is strikingly different. The top 20% of US households own more than 84% of the wealth, and the bottom 40% combine for a paltry 0.3%. The Walton family, for example, has more wealth than 42% of American families combined.
We don’t want to live like this. In our ideal distribution, the top quintile owns 32% and the bottom two quintiles own 25%. As the journalist Chrystia Freeland put it, “Americans actually live in Russia, although they think they live in Sweden. And they would like to live on a kibbutz.” Norton and Ariely found a surprising level of consensus: everyone — even Republicans and the wealthy—wants a more equal distribution of wealth than the status quo.

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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/economic-inequality-it-s-far-worse-than-you-think/

I could agree with you if our aspirations and goals were to chase Bangladesh's standard of living.

[pdsimdars]

11. Well that's what they say to poor Americans . . .pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

We may as well export that to India too along with the jobs.

[Hoyt]

18. I get that is what GOPers say to poor, that's why I said "what do you expect her to

say" in response to the OP.

[bvar22]

16. "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" ???!!!!

THIS Republican Mantra....on a Democratic Board?
You do know that pulling oneself up by his own bootstraps is impossible?
Yes?
Try it sometime....you'll never get off the ground.

You DO know that there are millions living below the poverty line and children going without decent food right here?

Glad YOU got YOURS.

[Hoyt]

17. Like I said, what do you expect her to say?

[malletgirl02]

19. Say that to the people of Flint, MI

Yes there is a lot of wealth in the U.S., but there is widespread inequality. There are areas in the U.S. that are down right third world.

[Hoyt]

27. No joke, and it's even worse in India. Thankfully, Clinton is concerned about both.

[malletgirl02]

29. India has massive inequality

If you want to help India try to get some of its wealthy to build its own industries instead of hording money. India also needs to do something with its enormous corruption.

[bvar22]

25. If YOU really believed that,

you would sell everything that you own, and donate the funds to Indian Charities.
Talk the Talk,
Walk the Walk.

You could be like another Mother Theresa!!!!
Father Hoyt, walking barefoot among the poor of The World!!!
I would respect you then.

[Hoyt]

26. Such a Nationalist's response.

[bvar22]

28. So, like don't really care about the poor in India...

..like you accused the rest of us here who are struggling to feed our kids.
There is a word for that.

[AZ Progressive]

30. Another conservative outed

[Ken Burch]

31. It's not as though the ONLY way to help people in India is through outsourcing jobs from here.

There has to be some way of helping those folks without messing over people in this country.

[Live and Learn]

37. What a load! We have sympathy. We just don't want to become a country like India.

And that is where we are headed.

[TheFarseer]

38. India is fighting hard for India.

No one should fight for us? Our politicians should support our industry going to India because of something that the UK did 100 years ago? Our politicians should be letting other countries out-compete us and we should be happy about our children having a bleaker future because it's our turn to have a crappy country? How does that make sense to you?

[RiverLover]

4. Here's a 2012 video of her talking to Indians, & she mentions how when "its an election campaign..."

Talking about Obama BSing us about how bad he thinks outsourcing is for Americans...

Also see what she says to Silicon Valley when she wants more jobs to bring in more foreign workers back in 2007~

[Uncle Joe]

9. And it isn't just the message that's altered, the same holds true for the accent.

Why smack me down, put on some grits and boil it up with a heaping pot of sincerity!

[RiverLover]

15. Haha. Ya gotta laugh, else you cry.

I just cannot believe people are taking her seriously. She is SUCH an obvious fake. But then she's had plenty of practice over the years. It seems to be working, god help US.

[malletgirl02]

20. I agree

Also, there is a poster defending outsourcing up thread. I cannot believe I would see the day to see an outsourcing defender on Democratic Underground.

[Duppers]

33. I must have said poster on ignore already.

[SoapBox]

21. Heresy!

Challenging The Annionted One!



(Ugh...she is SO bad.)

[Enthusiast]

23. Kicked and recommended to the Max!

[Duppers]

34. Un.f'n.believable. K&R

Yet it is believable given how many flip-flopping lies she's told.

Thanks for this info, Uncle Joe.

[slipslidingaway]

35. Clinton's free-trade advocacy is hitting labor where it lives ...

"Competition helps both sides, she says. A Buffalo deal yielded a few jobs."

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jul/30/nation/na-buffalo30

"...... But less noticed was how the event signaled that Clinton, who portrays herself as a fighter for American workers, had aligned herself with Indian American business leaders and Indian companies feared by the labor movement.

Now, as Clinton runs for president, that signal is echoing loudly.

Clinton is successfully wooing wealthy Indian Americans, many of them business leaders with close ties to their native country and an interest in protecting outsourcing laws and expanding access to worker visas. Her campaign has held three fundraisers in the Indian American community recently, one of which raised close to $3 million, its sponsor told an Indian news organization.


.....Some U.S. worker organizations say Clinton cannot claim to support American workers if she is also helping Indian outsourcing companies and proposing more worker visas...."

[Uncle Joe]

36. Thanks for the addition, slipslidingaway.

Peace to you.

[slipslidingaway]

39. My pleasure ...

Thank you!