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jpb33

(141 posts)
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:15 AM Mar 2016

Establishment Afraid of Sanders Not Trump

The Clinton machine and the establishment are afraid and will stop and nothing to prevent Bernie Sanders from becoming President.

Do not buy into all the press, establishments histrionics about Donald Trump. And that is the press, business leaders, powerful lobbyist groups, politicians are afraid of Donald Trump becoming President.

The way that the establishment is acting tells us everything we need to know and that is they will not be too upset if Donald wins the Presidency. The Establishment's actions tells us everything we need to know. The Kochs refuse to spend money against him. The press does not have a media blackout against him. It is all for show.

Bernie Sander's is who the Establishment is really afraid of. Their actions tell us everything we need to know and that is they really fear him. Not because he will ruin the country, but because he will throw the money changers out of the temple. He will end the corruption that has become a cancer on this country. Whether it is corruption in politics, business, or our criminal justice system.

The lies the Clinton campaign is spreading, the media black out of his candidacy. And when they do cover him it is to belittle him and his followers. They are afraid of Bernie Sanders not Donald Trump.

Does everyone recall when the Tea Party went to Capital Hill and was spitting on Democratic Congressman and Democratic Senators. The Republicans cheering them on. They all had their fire arms strapped across their shoulders while in the act of attacking public officials. This was basically battery and assault on public officials and the Capital Hill police did nothing. No investigation by the FBI or any law enforcement branch. Nothing was done. Why is that?

Then not long after Occupy Wall Street started. Nothing but peaceful protests against a corrupt system. No one was hurt, no Wall Street or bank officials were threatened or spit on. No public officials were assaulted and no fire arms were anywhere near the Occupy Wall Street protesters (except those carried by law enforcement). What happened next was a nationwide coordinated plan and effort by local, state, and federal officials to destroy these peaceful protests by any means necessary.

Now does everyone see the difference. Does everyone see what the establishment really cares about, what they really fear. The Dems and Reps use these social issues, use these wedge issues to make sure the American public is worrying about the wrong thing all the while the establishment is draining American citizens wallets dry.

In comes Donald Trump another perfect wedge issue that keeps the American public's attention on the wrong problems. But this time they did not count on Bernie Sanders captivating the American public's attention and keeping their attention on what matters. Now the establishment is trying to do to Bernie Sanders what they did to Occupy Wall Street and that is destroy him by any means necessary. But it is not working. Neither the news blackouts by the MSM, the Clinton machine, the Republicans, the business elite, the 3rd way Democrats, the establishment is failing to silence him.

My point is if the MSM, the establishment were actually afraid of Trump then he would be suffering from a MSM blackout. Wall Street, Goldman Sachs, oil companies would all be emptying their wallets to defeat him, but they are not. The only person they are trying to defeat is Bernie Sanders. And they are doing this by donating millions to one of their own, Hillary Clinton.

Fellow Americans do not be fooled. Bernie Sanders has the establishment shaking in their boots, Donald Trump does not. He is one of their own although they would probably prefer someone else as President, a person who they can fully control like Hillary Clinton, or Marco Rubio. The Establishment would be ok with Trump as President but they will move heaven and earth to try and make sure Bernie Sanders does not become President. Let us make sure they fail at that mission.

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Establishment Afraid of Sanders Not Trump (Original Post) jpb33 Mar 2016 OP
Divide And Conquer - Carrot And Stick - Pander And Plunder - Never Any Progress Or Action cantbeserious Mar 2016 #1
Thoughtful and compelling emsimon33 Mar 2016 #2
You make a VERY good point, an absolutely unassailable one. CharlotteVale Mar 2016 #3
Great Post CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #4
Disagree - The Republican Establishment JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #5
The press has everyone scared of Trump, and voters are 'playing it safe' with Hillary because of it. reformist2 Mar 2016 #6
Good argument, although I partially disagree RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #7
Yep. It couldn't be more obvious. Nyan Mar 2016 #8
"keeping their attention on what matters." ConsiderThis_2016 Mar 2016 #9
Actually, that's not really the case Onlooker Mar 2016 #10
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #11
Thanks jpb33 Mar 2016 #16
Trump is the lead in the GOP's water. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #12
The establishment allowed bernie to run in the democratic primaries.... dubyadiprecession Mar 2016 #13
Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2016 #14
Republican Base jpb33 Mar 2016 #15
Well said! Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #17

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
1. Divide And Conquer - Carrot And Stick - Pander And Plunder - Never Any Progress Or Action
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:25 AM
Mar 2016

Same Old Same Old

 

CdnExtraNational

(105 posts)
4. Great Post
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:01 AM
Mar 2016

And quite frankly I was thinking the same thing myself.

It was right about the time I heard Mitt Romney saying "It looks likely that Donald Trump will become the nominee."

And shortly after I heard someone on the news say that although the public is in full revolt in both parties, only the Republican party has a problem with their rebellion.

It really makes you think.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
5. Disagree - The Republican Establishment
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:31 AM
Mar 2016

Is terrified of Trump because he could cause the splinter to a fourth party. They are more likely to be harmed by that in a GE than the Democratic Establishment. The Democratic party has had the spectre of the Green Party to contend with for years. As well, neither Clinton nor Sanders engage in the politics of the "other" and have both been on the national political stage for 30 years. We know what they are peddling.

Trump represents a bleak closed society new frontier. The wall he wants built to keep people out will eventually become a prison - but his supporters won't be kept in and they know it.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
6. The press has everyone scared of Trump, and voters are 'playing it safe' with Hillary because of it.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:34 AM
Mar 2016

Of course, there are almost *no* polls that indicate that Hillary is actually the safer choice against Trump come November, but that perception remains in the minds of many voters.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
7. Good argument, although I partially disagree
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:55 AM
Mar 2016

I don't think the Establishment ever took Trump seriously. I think they saw him as an effective way to make a run-of-the-mill corporatist seem refreshing in comparison. Also, he was a wonderful distraction from actual issues and great for ratings, of course.

But they were playing a dangerous game.

Unfortunately, this all rested on the assumption that Trump would be facing the Inevitable One -- either that, or that cooler heads would prevail in the GOP and that Jeb! would take his rightful seat on the throne. They didn't fully realize, of course, that Jeb! would prove to be even more inept than his brother. Mind boggling but true.

Even then, they were pretty confident that they'd have at least one corporate puppet in the Finals. Probably two. Now there's a chance they'll have none.

But in this sense, you're right. Trump is fundamentally a businessman. They know how to speak his language.

Meanwhile, Bernie terrifies them.

A Trump/Sanders contest is their worst nightmare.

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
8. Yep. It couldn't be more obvious.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:03 AM
Mar 2016
if the MSM, the establishment were actually afraid of Trump then he would be suffering from a MSM blackout.

Absolutely on point.

ConsiderThis_2016

(274 posts)
9. "keeping their attention on what matters."
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:12 AM
Mar 2016

"The Philippines is holding a North Korean-controlled cargo vessel for inspection days after the United Nations Security Council passed a new round of sanctions to punish the government in Pyongyang for a fourth nuclear test and a rocket launch."

"“I worry very, very much about an isolated country. That's what makes me nervous. Russia lives in the world. China lives in the world. North Korea is a very, very strange country because it is so isolated, and I do feel that a nation with nuclear weapons… they have got to be dealt with,” he said, adding that leaning on China would do the trick."--Bernie Sanders

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
10. Actually, that's not really the case
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:18 AM
Mar 2016

The Republican establishment is engaged in desperate measures to stop Trump. The Democratic establishment certainly prefers Hillary, but knows that all increases in aocial spending end up in the pockets of Wall Street and that Bernie will not create enemies aroubd the world leading to fewer US markets. They may not like Bernie, but unlike Trump he's not an unpredictable megalomaniac.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
12. Trump is the lead in the GOP's water.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:19 AM
Mar 2016

He's fucking up their brand.

He says all the stupid shit, out loud and in public, that they believe and won't acknowledge publicly. But, he's one of them.

Bernie is the one they're afraid of.

dubyadiprecession

(5,714 posts)
13. The establishment allowed bernie to run in the democratic primaries....
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:34 AM
Mar 2016

they really don't care one way or the other about bernie.

jpb33

(141 posts)
15. Republican Base
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:03 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:15 PM - Edit history (1)

The reps have been feeding their base a steady diet of social hatred for the past 30 yrs or so. About abortion, gays, minorities, etc. At the same time they have been getting them to vote for their prejudices over their bank accounts. The problem is the reps have never lived up to any of the promises they made in regards to getting abortion outlawed, sending illegal immigrants back to their home countries, and the ultimate issue , the last straw and that is the success of gay marriage.

The Republican base finally said "wait a minute the reps have been pushing these issues, but they have not once lived up to their promises". Why have they not lived up to those promises? Because they never had any intention to in the first place. The base has realized this and now noticed that not only have the Republican est. not lived up to these promises they are now losing their jobs, suffering from all the ills that minorities have had to deal with for decades. Maybe the rep base would of been ok with that if the Rep est. lived up to their promises on the social issues, but then again maybe not. The base realized it was all just a ruse in order to get to their pocket book.

This is why the Rep base is in revolt. The Rep est. old tricks and lines like attacking Planned Parenthood, etc are not working anymore. Donald is throwing out the old Rep handbook that has been used for the past 25yrs or more. and this is why the Rep est. is saying the sky is falling, the party is being destroyed, the party is commiting suicide. All this rhetoric may have some truth, but most of it is just plain scare tactics. What is happening is the old guard is dying and being swept away because the rep base finally caught on and they have no idea how to get the base back under their thumb. Because the base does not believe a word that Est. Reps utter anymore.

It is just too bad that the Democratic party does not realize the same thing about its leaders. It is a similar problem. The Dem elite has been lying to the dem base since the early 90s. Lying about trade, lying about jobs, lying about healthcare, on and on. The dem party has also been using social issues in the same manner as the rep party leaders, the only difference is the Dem party is usually right on a lot of the social issues, like gay marriage. But the dem base is also suffering from lost jobs, the same identical economic problems the rep base is dealing with.

Electing Hillary Clinton will just prove that the Dem base is not willing to look in the mirror and admit to themselves that they have been screwed by the party leaders. Democrats are in denial, except the Bernie wing of the party. The Dem party has become corrupt. Just look at its current and past leaders.

When I was young I respected Dick Gephardt. He was just a working Congressman who was not rich, who dealt with the same issues that the middle class dealt with. Just look him up now. Rich and corrupt!
Tom Daschle, the former minority leader, look up his current employer. He is corrupt too! The list can go on and on, but I will end up suffering from carpal tunnel syndromeif I listed everyone. But I cannot end the list without adding the leaders who have turned the Dem party into what it is today and they are Bill and Hillary Clinton.

 

Jenny_92808

(1,342 posts)
17. Well said!
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:26 AM
Mar 2016

"...they really fear him. Not because he will ruin the country, but because he will throw the money changers out of the temple."

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