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Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:01 AM Mar 2016

Hillary Evolution Alert: Now she has always opposed NAFTA and free trade...

But longtime Clinton advisers insisted that the Democratic frontrunner was strong on manufacturing -- they note that as first lady, she was a voice in the room opposing NAFTA even when her husband was for it, and they describe her as “thoroughly obsessed” with saving factories when she served as senator from New York.


Please disregard all prior quotes and videos referring to NAFTA as "important legislation" until instructed to reinstate these positions, likely in early November.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/hillary-clinton-speech-message-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-220287#ixzz4217MAAOr

A timeline of Hillary Clinton's evolution on trade:
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/21/401123124/a-timeline-of-hillary-clintons-evolution-on-trade
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Hillary Evolution Alert: Now she has always opposed NAFTA and free trade... (Original Post) Barack_America Mar 2016 OP
She was TIRELESS! ibegurpard Mar 2016 #1
Do you know how HARD it is to be tireless AND thoroughly obsessed?? FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #37
The correct term is: POLYMORPHISM - the quality or state of existing in or assuming different forms TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #41
As a shapeshifter, I think, "form of...corporate shill!"... Barack_America Mar 2016 #51
I describe her as “thoroughly obsessed” with winning. dchill Mar 2016 #2
And that is probably an understatement... seriously. Hillary Clinton has been running for POTUS... Raster Mar 2016 #42
And that precisely is why she should never, ever be in a leadership position. FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #56
Which position is hers? I think I'm getting motion sickness from the spin That Guy 888 Mar 2016 #3
Just nod your head and smile. Barack_America Mar 2016 #5
Hillary has MANY flip flops on trade jfern Mar 2016 #4
one wonders about her ability to "get things done" ibegurpard Mar 2016 #6
Obama called her out on her lies of claiming she opposed NAFTA jfern Mar 2016 #7
I wonder if it's kind of like her ibegurpard Mar 2016 #8
Well, she has earned her 67% not honest and trustworthy rating. jfern Mar 2016 #9
She is just shameless. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #10
She has no core. Barack_America Mar 2016 #49
"We are against trade deals. We have always been against trade deals." PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #11
Miss America 1984 Fuddnik Mar 2016 #22
We have always been at trade war with Eurasia Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #76
Didn't we vote her down in 2008? Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #12
In other words Depaysement Mar 2016 #13
She mentions the woman part a lot jfern Mar 2016 #14
Right now Depaysement Mar 2016 #15
The only thing they have to convince people to vote for her in the GE jfern Mar 2016 #16
Bernie would make better appointments. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #23
Much better appointments! Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #57
On the upside, that part hasn't changed. eilen Mar 2016 #33
Yeah, she hasn't flip flopped that jfern Mar 2016 #36
I was impressed by her bravery bvf Mar 2016 #39
And to be the first 28 year woman with a JD to try to join the Marines jfern Mar 2016 #69
And to be named after Sir Edmund Hillary. Compulsive liar. PonyUp Mar 2016 #74
Yeah. That arugment for Hillary really twists my knickers. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #53
At the rate she is shifting policies, Phil1934 Mar 2016 #17
This is desperation TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #18
That she's gotten even this far shows there are some very deep problems at play. Broward Mar 2016 #27
Who do you think you're talking to eilen Mar 2016 #34
Divide And Conquer - Carrot And Stick - Pander And Plunder - Never Any Progress Or Action cantbeserious Mar 2016 #19
You have to not be paying attention or want to deceive people Kittycat Mar 2016 #20
#whichhillary CharlotteVale Mar 2016 #21
are you sure it isn't spelled with a "t" wiTchHillary pdsimdars Mar 2016 #29
Unfortunately, the American electorate has the attention span of a gnat. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #24
No, Americans remember that they had plenty good jobs and career opportunities under Clinton. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #28
And then there was NAFTA and Glass-Steagel and welfare "reform" and communications act pdsimdars Mar 2016 #30
Michigan, however, remembers NAFTA very well... Barack_America Mar 2016 #46
This. vintx Mar 2016 #67
I guess it depends on what your definition of "always" is... MattSh Mar 2016 #25
"We have always been at war with Eastasia." n/t bvf Mar 2016 #40
Are we really going to nominate a lying corporatist warmonger? Broward Mar 2016 #26
and don't forget the 2-fer pdsimdars Mar 2016 #31
Ha, very good, nt. Broward Mar 2016 #32
And then loyally support her in the GE, no less. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #54
lol Vattel Mar 2016 #35
The table is set just beautifully for the debate and townhall. Barack_America Mar 2016 #45
Here is another interesting fredamae Mar 2016 #38
That is very interesting. Barack_America Mar 2016 #59
Awesome link, TY! ebayfool Mar 2016 #61
I never know what to believe with her bigwillq Mar 2016 #43
Yeah..sure she does till about two minutes afters shes sworn in Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #44
What the ever loving fuck is this? Autumn Mar 2016 #47
lo freaking l. autumn, you are my hero for the day nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #62
She's talking what should she and Bill should have been talking about in the 1990's Armstead Mar 2016 #48
That anyone with an IQ over room temperature falls for her shit is embarrassing. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #50
THIS. kath Mar 2016 #58
Why the fuck would anyone, ever, believe a word that comes out of her mouth? djean111 Mar 2016 #52
I just can't keep up with all these rotiserrie statements from Hillary. Baitball Blogger Mar 2016 #55
THe Low information Crowd won't know this is a triangulated lie Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #60
Well Fred, do you have anything more, other than badly attempting to "info-shame"... Raster Mar 2016 #63
Uh Raster, the recs tell a tale. Autumn Mar 2016 #64
You can't make this stuff up Mufaddal Mar 2016 #65
LOL..that is the best lie, EVER. K&R Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #66
shameless shape shifting Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #68
It's just business. Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #70
If she opposes free trade agreements like NAFTA, I am very happy to hear it andym Mar 2016 #71
She only opposed losing elections. Barack_America Mar 2016 #73
I'm happy to hear it, too. I'd be happier if she opposed them before she was running for office. Vinca Mar 2016 #75
Nafta deepestblue Mar 2016 #72

TheBlackAdder

(28,208 posts)
41. The correct term is: POLYMORPHISM - the quality or state of existing in or assuming different forms
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:57 AM
Mar 2016

.


A person who takes on various positions, changing mannerisms and behaviors to placate their audience, is

POLYMORPHIC


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/polymorphism


.

dchill

(38,502 posts)
2. I describe her as “thoroughly obsessed” with winning.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:08 AM
Mar 2016

She has no other defining principle. Some of us still remember her 2008 campaign.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
42. And that is probably an understatement... seriously. Hillary Clinton has been running for POTUS...
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:02 AM
Mar 2016

...in one way or another for over 25 years. Everything she has done since Bill was POTUS - AND INCLUDING BILL AS POTUS - has been leading to and in preparation for Hillary Clinton as POTUS. She doesn't just want this. NO, this is her lifedream, her purpose, her entire reason for being. Hillary Clinton believes she is destined to be the first female POTUS, and woe be it unto ANYONE that would get in the way. Again, I am as serious as a heart attack.

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
3. Which position is hers? I think I'm getting motion sickness from the spin
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:09 AM
Mar 2016


All your political positions are belong to us. - HRC, this and every other election.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
5. Just nod your head and smile.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:14 AM
Mar 2016

Try not to keep tabs on what her positions are at the moment (too big a chance you could be wrong! Case in point the FoxNews town hall!). Just proudly proclaim your support and declare you're with her!

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
6. one wonders about her ability to "get things done"
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:14 AM
Mar 2016

When she was such an ineffective "voice in the room" against the free-trade excesses of her husband's administration (hey that's what they're claiming).

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
49. She has no core.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:36 AM
Mar 2016

When you deny you support the issue you most consistently vote and lobby for...well, there's no hope for you as a trustworthy human being.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
11. "We are against trade deals. We have always been against trade deals."
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:23 AM
Mar 2016

Orwell turns in his grave that we never headed his warnings.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
13. In other words
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:00 AM
Mar 2016

Just vote for me, you damn proles. I need to get elected. I need to be the first woman President. That is all.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
14. She mentions the woman part a lot
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:05 AM
Mar 2016

Because there is nothing else about her that is remotely inspiring to anyone.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
57. Much better appointments!
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:53 AM
Mar 2016

She would appoint industry insiders, corporate and insurance attorneys/judges, to be her "liberal" justices.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
36. Yeah, she hasn't flip flopped that
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:05 AM
Mar 2016

Not that there's anything wrong with flip flopping your gender.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
39. I was impressed by her bravery
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:37 AM
Mar 2016

in the face of the sniper fire she encountered in Bosnia.

Damn! The courage that must have taken!

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
53. Yeah. That arugment for Hillary really twists my knickers.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:41 AM
Mar 2016

As if our mutual possession of a vagina is somehow supposed to offset her noxious devotion to Wall Street and her utter lack of character. Fuck that. No dinner, no movie, no lube.

 

Phil1934

(49 posts)
17. At the rate she is shifting policies,
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:11 AM
Mar 2016

she will be to the left of Bernie by Nov. Too bad it is only campaign talk.

TrueDemVA

(250 posts)
18. This is desperation
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:19 AM
Mar 2016

Come on. She can't honestly think the American people are this forgetful. If the American can't see right through this, then I think we have a bigger problem as a society. Please wake up Democrats. Stop putting her on this pedestal. She has proven time and time again, her interests are in helping her friends get rich and lining her and Bill's pockets. It's disgusting.

eilen

(4,950 posts)
34. Who do you think you're talking to
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:47 AM
Mar 2016

The Democrats That Matter Inc. have all but handed her the crown and flowers. Even The Republicans That Matter Inc. speak with calm assurance that she is the candidate. Listening to interviews at CPAC, people like David Frum and just about everyone else basically stated she had it in the bag on Potus Politics channel on Sirius. The signal has been received by DC insiders. Everyone is just jockeying for position now, dissenters are penalized.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
28. No, Americans remember that they had plenty good jobs and career opportunities under Clinton.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:25 AM
Mar 2016

They remember getting a home, job advancement and good pay. They also remember that big corporations can take any good legislation and work the system and turn it into something really horrendous through their ties to conservative politicians in their state capitols and in DC.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
30. And then there was NAFTA and Glass-Steagel and welfare "reform" and communications act
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:31 AM
Mar 2016

etc.
That has been the "Clinton legacy" that has destroyed the country. A lot of cheerleaders seem to forget that, to gloss over it. But like Bush, you have to look at the ugly things too or you are no better than they are.

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
25. I guess it depends on what your definition of "always" is...
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:13 AM
Mar 2016

The Clintons seem to have very flexible definitions when it comes to certain words...

Broward

(1,976 posts)
26. Are we really going to nominate a lying corporatist warmonger?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:18 AM
Mar 2016

Something is terribly broken in the Democratic Party.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
35. lol
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:58 AM
Mar 2016

Clinton said "great things about NAFTA until she started running for president."

— Barack Obama on Sunday, February 24th, 2008 in Lorain, Ohio

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
45. The table is set just beautifully for the debate and townhall.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:14 AM
Mar 2016

All Bernie needs to do is sit down and grab a steak knife.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
59. That is very interesting.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:54 AM
Mar 2016

I also found Pelosi's declaration that this primary needs to go to California very interesting.

I've wondered if Hillary has been trying to force Sanders out and "lock up" the primary to discourage any legal action against herself. If so, Pelosi just said which is fascinating.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
43. I never know what to believe with her
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:06 AM
Mar 2016

She changes positions and views so many times.

I think it has to do with her insecurity and always trying to please everyone.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
48. She's talking what should she and Bill should have been talking about in the 1990's
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:25 AM
Mar 2016

Instead they were too busy Selling the Illusion

She has Zero credibility on this issue.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
52. Why the fuck would anyone, ever, believe a word that comes out of her mouth?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:38 AM
Mar 2016

What is just as offensive as her actual stances, and her spinning, is her blatant assumption that we are so stupid as to just take everything she spouts at face value.

How could the heads of other countries believe a word she says?

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
60. THe Low information Crowd won't know this is a triangulated lie
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:55 AM
Mar 2016

and the M$N won't tell them.

New Bumper sticker: Talk is Cheap. Hillary 2016

Raster

(20,998 posts)
63. Well Fred, do you have anything more, other than badly attempting to "info-shame"...
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:36 AM
Mar 2016

...Bernie Sanders supporters?

Do you have anything - references, links, ANYTHING - to support your statement that this is a "triangulated lie"?

Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
65. You can't make this stuff up
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:48 AM
Mar 2016

Oh, hey, I hear she also campaigned for Goldwater in an attempt to secretly undermine his campaign from within!

She was also always secretly against:
-Plan Colombia
-CAFTA
-PNTR with China
-Workfare
-DOMA
-The war in Iraq
-The Iraq sanctions
-The non-stop bombing of Iraq throughout Bill Clinton's tenure
-Regime change in Libya
-Regime change in Honduras
-Private prisons
-Deportation of Latin American children

She is currently secretly against:
-A no-fly zone over Syria
-The death penalty
-Continuing to keep marijuana on the CSA
-Taking massive amounts of money from corporate special interests

She is currently secretly for:
-A $15/hr federal minimum wage
-A single-payer healthcare system
-Unicorns

andym

(5,444 posts)
71. If she opposes free trade agreements like NAFTA, I am very happy to hear it
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:06 AM
Mar 2016

From the time, Ross Perot warned Al Gore that we would here a "giant sucking sound" of jobs, mainstream Democrats have been on the wrong side of this issue, all the way to Pres. Obama. All I care about is that she now opposes free trade agreements. Good for her and us.

Vinca

(50,276 posts)
75. I'm happy to hear it, too. I'd be happier if she opposed them before she was running for office.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 09:07 AM
Mar 2016

The damage is done. Main Street is a ghost town.

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