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Found on Twitter. Picture says it all. (Original Post) madfloridian Mar 2016 OP
Bernie screwed up by not getting a reality TV show Joe the Revelator Mar 2016 #1
You bring the best stuff madfloridian.....thanks! haikugal Mar 2016 #2
^^ truth ^^ iAZZZo Mar 2016 #34
Ain't it the Truth! monicaangela Mar 2016 #3
saving that one dana_b Mar 2016 #4
To be a tad cynical Dem2 Mar 2016 #5
Good post. bigwillq Mar 2016 #7
Jeb didn't raise the money in the same sense of course. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #22
exactly-- big difference! Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #27
True Dem2 Mar 2016 #45
One Gwhittey Mar 2016 #44
Agreed Dem2 Mar 2016 #46
What's pushing Bernie down is the whole establishment pdsimdars Mar 2016 #56
The media barely covers protests of any type any more Dem2 Mar 2016 #65
The money is, however, the only thing that will enable Bernie to stay tblue37 Mar 2016 #67
Yes, exactly. Dem2 Mar 2016 #70
oh boy, ain't this the truth! oldandhappy Mar 2016 #6
Well, not ONLY in America.... AlbertCat Mar 2016 #8
Having grown in one nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #14
Yes, we have already lost it WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2016 #83
Hey at 18 it was a different country too nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #84
No shit, what a pile of rot our system has become whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #9
And there ... Jopin Klobe Mar 2016 #10
why haven't many of those crowds translated into actual votes? bigtree Mar 2016 #11
Pretty much his only voters are those that show up at the rallies stevenleser Mar 2016 #17
Bernie won by 20 and 19 points in Colorado and Minnesota, by 86 points in Vermont JDPriestly Mar 2016 #26
You clearly weren't in any of the polling places in Minnesota. myrna minx Mar 2016 #40
I include those places. Caucuses usually only have a small number of dedicated folks show up stevenleser Mar 2016 #53
Ah, that explains the Oklahoma primary, thanks! Oh, wait! No that's not right! He won by 10+ points. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #77
Keep telling yourself that! Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #55
Geez, then I wonder how he keeps beating all those GOP candidates in all the polls pdsimdars Mar 2016 #57
Good question...... tommcc99 Mar 2016 #18
I Think MANY Of Us Know, But Does Anyone Want To Believe It? ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #74
It doesn't help that when thousands show up or march in the streets the Clinton-Corp-Media rhett o rick Mar 2016 #97
K & R Petrushka Mar 2016 #12
Excellent image! Bubzer Mar 2016 #13
We are not fooled...! kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #15
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #16
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #19
Who ever said he wasn't a "viable candidate?" Jitter65 Mar 2016 #20
You just said it. ?? madfloridian Mar 2016 #21
Lol, do not administer the Turing Test whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #23
Open the dictionary to viable. madfloridian Mar 2016 #33
??? Autumn Mar 2016 #48
How about the ONLY VIABLE CANDIDATE! dchill Mar 2016 #24
K&R. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #25
Yes, because he has begun something "revolutionary" and we're still here. Duval Mar 2016 #29
It's all about the numbers. WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2016 #82
Absolutely. It is almost impossible to kill and idea. jwirr Mar 2016 #80
Good catch, madfloridian. Duval Mar 2016 #28
Maybe you should be running as a Republican dlwickham Mar 2016 #30
So you are saying Bernie is not viable? Is that correct? madfloridian Mar 2016 #32
Do you know the word "arrogance"? sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #35
I hate arrogance yuiyoshida Mar 2016 #98
It would be much easier for Bernie Beowulf Mar 2016 #42
You got it backwards pdsimdars Mar 2016 #59
Maybe he should've run as an independent then dlwickham Mar 2016 #78
And gotten nowhere? mwooldri Mar 2016 #89
I love it when people use the word "clearly" NJCher Mar 2016 #87
Yeah no dlwickham Mar 2016 #90
are you trying to say? NJCher Mar 2016 #92
Absolute truth. SoapBox Mar 2016 #31
Despite everything, the one line that's missing is that procon Mar 2016 #36
Not much can be done Gwhittey Mar 2016 #47
Perfect! FloriTexan Mar 2016 #37
Totally proves voting is a joke. nt valerief Mar 2016 #38
Yep MissDeeds Mar 2016 #39
Some post this on DK jillan Mar 2016 #41
THE MEDIA SHALL BE THE KINGMAKERS. moondust Mar 2016 #43
Not if they have their way it;ll be pdsimdars Mar 2016 #60
At first they ignore you, then they hate you, or something like that. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #49
It all comes down to who is doing the telling n/t deutsey Mar 2016 #50
K&R! This post has hundreds of recommendations! Well done, madfloridian! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #51
Right? Highway61 Mar 2016 #52
If he had more delegates he could be viable ... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #54
yet pdsimdars Mar 2016 #61
K&R They honestly prefer a republican over progressive change. raouldukelives Mar 2016 #58
nah wyldwolf Mar 2016 #62
Not only in America. pangaia Mar 2016 #63
Only In America AND defying the Corporate Stooge Elite Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #64
a secular a freakin men!!!! nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #66
Is it only in America where the candidate with the most votes in the end wins? treestar Mar 2016 #68
Darn that free press... HillareeeHillaraah Mar 2016 #72
yeah how did bernie raise all that cash? treestar Mar 2016 #73
He raised that cash from people like me, who give $10/mo, even though Bohunk68 Mar 2016 #93
We need to eliminate the electoral college. They_Live Mar 2016 #69
Once Again... Great Post MadFloridian... I've Been Working On ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #71
Word. K&R nt TBF Mar 2016 #75
Love this! Thank you! n/t marew Mar 2016 #76
Pic? asuhornets Mar 2016 #79
But DownriverDem Mar 2016 #81
but he's not in the Wall Street Wing Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #85
Kick dchill Mar 2016 #86
Oh, SNAP! warrprayer Mar 2016 #88
Nice senseandsensibility Mar 2016 #91
He's behind Clinton, so........ Darb Mar 2016 #94
...... madfloridian Mar 2016 #95
Don't get that post really. Darb Mar 2016 #99
He does better thqn Clinton in matchups with every Republican n/t eridani Mar 2016 #96
Those matchup polls mean exactly jack shit. Darb Mar 2016 #100
Fine--go ahead and nominate the candidate who will do worse in the general election n/t eridani Mar 2016 #101
In your opinion. Darb Mar 2016 #103
In the opinion of most matchup polls with Republicans eridani Mar 2016 #104
Perfect. k/r AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #102

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
5. To be a tad cynical
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:26 PM
Mar 2016

Jeb! spent truckloads of money and didn't do nearly as well as Bernie has. Bernie's money raising is very encouraging, but it's also nice knowing that money can't buy an election (though it sure does help.) Bernie is most successful based on his appealing message.

Questions about his viability are likely based on his relative newness as a national figure and his history as an outsider in the Democratic party (independent/socialist); we have few examples to use as a comparison.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
22. Jeb didn't raise the money in the same sense of course.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:43 PM
Mar 2016

It was handed to him by billionaires. Well, actually, he never saw most of it, it was spent on his behalf by billionaires.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
44. One
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 01:48 AM
Mar 2016

set money comes attached to a few fat greasy hands. Sanders large amount comes from millions of clenched fists raised in anger.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
56. What's pushing Bernie down is the whole establishment
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:06 AM
Mar 2016

The Democratic Party and also the corporate media.
Last weekend there were a bunch of marches (80 comes to mind) all over the country for Bernie and some had thousands of people and not ONE image or mention of it on the news.

tblue37

(65,404 posts)
67. The money is, however, the only thing that will enable Bernie to stay
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:12 AM
Mar 2016

in the race until we get past the early states where HRC racks up huge leads to the later states where Bernie has a real chance to catch up and maybe surpass her.

In fact, were it not for his huge war chest, Jeb would have been forced to drop out much sooner. Money is, therefore, a necessary *but not sufficient* condition. for a viable run.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
70. Yes, exactly.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:20 AM
Mar 2016
Money is, therefore, a necessary *but not sufficient* condition. for a viable run.
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
14. Having grown in one
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:14 PM
Mar 2016

well it wasn't officially a dictartorhip, money played a role, but not as much as it does in the US

Granted, at this point it probably plays more of a role.

And I consider the US a failed democracy.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
83. Yes, we have already lost it
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:52 PM
Mar 2016

The signs are not so subtle and seem to be tangled up into everything, but these are just the feelings and observations of my 74 year old eyes.
I knew a different country.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
17. Pretty much his only voters are those that show up at the rallies
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:24 PM
Mar 2016

No one else in those states votes for him. This is obviously a slight exaggeration but the point is that Sanders greatly excites a small segment of the population. The rest of the states just aren't interested.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
26. Bernie won by 20 and 19 points in Colorado and Minnesota, by 86 points in Vermont
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:06 AM
Mar 2016

and by 10 or so in Oklahoma.

Hillary "won" by 1 point in Massachusetts, by well under 5 in Iowa and lost in New Hampshire by 20 points.

Hillary won in the backward Southern states. That's the only place where she has won by large margins. Her best election date is behind her.

Feel the Bern!

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
53. I include those places. Caucuses usually only have a small number of dedicated folks show up
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:47 AM
Mar 2016

They tend to favor people in the exact position Bernie is in.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
55. Keep telling yourself that!
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:57 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie gets less exposure on the MSM than even you do! He/we are fighting against the most powerful forces in the world who do not want him in the WH because they cannot control him and he wants to attack the root problem. He wants to do away with their ability to buy politicians to maintain their control over our government.

Hillary wants to be TPTB's main tool of control, the funnel of their power and influence, not the President for the people!

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
57. Geez, then I wonder how he keeps beating all those GOP candidates in all the polls
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:09 AM
Mar 2016

Must be some sort of magic, huh?
But EVERY poll, month after month, he keeps beating them by large margins. . . someone must like him other than those who attend his rallies.

tommcc99

(48 posts)
18. Good question......
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:27 PM
Mar 2016

Makes you wonder.

Some states it has translated into votes.

In other states (Iowa and Nevada) the caucus process has been reported as dysfunctional. I know first hand. I caucused in Nevada. May have made difference. May not have

In Massachusetts there was blatant disregard for the rules at the polls. If there was blatant disregard - I wonder what happened that we didn't see. Maybe nothing. But.....

Makes you wonder.

Me, I don't want to wonder about the character of the person I am voting for.

No worries with Senator Sanders.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
74. I Think MANY Of Us Know, But Does Anyone Want To Believe It?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:39 AM
Mar 2016

Nope, it's too much for people to admit that "their" Queen Hillary would do anything wrong! For those of us who've asked this question over and over, there can only be ONE answer!

AND, for those who think that many millennials aren't voting, it's NOT what I'm seeing. I have 2 voting age grand kids who have really been active and I KNOW they've already voted in FL's upcoming Primary. And I live in a very Red County!

This is the first election that they've really gotten active in and they keep asking me "how can this be?" I told them not to give up, but Hillary WAS CHOSEN even before the Primaries started. The Real Harm being done is that they are having to see how very UN-DEMOCRATIC this process has become. They ARE angry and I can say from what they tell me, THEY WANT to be rid of EACH Party!

Maybe it's time, but it will be very difficult. It's seems we've all got puppet strings attached to us and while so many of us are pulling hard to unwind from the tangle, a pair of sharp scissors will be needed to FREE us from THIS OLIGARCHY!

And as for other countries?? OMG, the things I hear from a group I belong to should CONCERN us all. It's NOT PRETTY!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
97. It doesn't help that when thousands show up or march in the streets the Clinton-Corp-Media
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:58 PM
Mar 2016

doesn't broadcast such. Those that rely on CNN, ABC or even MSNBC are not hearing about Sen Sanders popularity.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
29. Yes, because he has begun something "revolutionary" and we're still here.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:10 AM
Mar 2016

And the more others hear, the more will follow and "feel the Bern".

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
28. Good catch, madfloridian.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:08 AM
Mar 2016

You seem to have a knack for good OP's. Thanks! I'm going forward for Bernie!

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
30. Maybe you should be running as a Republican
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:15 AM
Mar 2016

If he's doing so much better than them

But since he's running against Hillary as a Democrat, the election results up to this show clearly that he isn't a viable candidate

Beowulf

(761 posts)
42. It would be much easier for Bernie
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 01:26 AM
Mar 2016

to win the general election than the nomination, and for Hillary it's much easier to win the nomination than it is the general election. Labeling a candidate as viable depends on what your goal is.

This being the Democratic National Party, I think it's clear what the goal is. The near total absence of state parties and the national party to mount voter registration drives means they want to depress the number of new voters, the kind of voter most likely to support the outside candidate. Keeping the party's registered voters limited to those who have been long time registered Democrats favors the establishment candidate.

But Democrats are not the largest voting block in the country, independents are - maybe as high as 50%. That's why winning the general is a much different challenge than winning the nomination.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
59. You got it backwards
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:21 AM
Mar 2016

The important thing is to win in the GENERAL ELECTION.
If you want to win the GE then you need the most viable candidate.
Hillary almost always LOSES to the GOP candidates, in every poll, month after month. To win the presidency, she will have to WIN against the GOP candidates.
Bernie, on the other hand, has been WINNING against ALL the GOP candidates by large margins for months.
Now, would you rather have someone who can WIN against the GOP and become the President, or someone who seems to be more popular in her own party, presumably because she has threatened and bribed them?
That is, do you want to WIN the presidency or lose it?
It is a simple concept to wrap your head around . . win or lose?
The polls have been telling you for months now who can win and who will lose.
Simple choice

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
78. Maybe he should've run as an independent then
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:18 PM
Mar 2016

If he can't win the Democratic base then he shouldn't be the representative of the party in the general election

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
89. And gotten nowhere?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:36 PM
Mar 2016

To become President you need to run under one of two political parties. Ross Perot is probably the closest person who came to the Presidency in modern times without being part of the Republican or Democratic Party. The Dumpster would have got some traction due to name recognition and money but he wouldn't be where he is without being in the Republican primary. Bernie on the other hand hasn't had the money or name recognition that the Dumpster has yet he has built a movement that had had success.

NJCher

(35,687 posts)
87. I love it when people use the word "clearly"
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:26 PM
Mar 2016

Watch for it--almost always with someone whose argument is sketchy, at best.

LOL, "clearly."



Cher

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
90. Yeah no
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:49 PM
Mar 2016

I know but clearly means and Sanders clearly has no shot at becoming the Democratic candidate in the general election.

NJCher

(35,687 posts)
92. are you trying to say?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:37 PM
Mar 2016
I know but clearly means

"I know what clearly means?"

If you need any more help with the English language, let me know.


Cher

procon

(15,805 posts)
36. Despite everything, the one line that's missing is that
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:38 AM
Mar 2016

he's still not attracting enough voters to win. Why not? How can he still convince enough people to count?

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
47. Not much can be done
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 01:59 AM
Mar 2016

When you have TV news and many news sites owned by people that need to keep corruption going and are pushing for a candidate they know will take money to do their bidding. Political Ads are a billion dollar industry that relies on crony capitalism that Clinton is a part of. So they do "news" storys over and over of Clinton Campaign talking points. And this really has a impact on how a majority of people vote. Why do you think that largest supporters of Sanders are people who don't watch Cable news but use internet to get the information. And funny how HRC think that voting is due to Clinton being the more viable candidate. Yea not hard to win a race when everything is stacked in your favor.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
49. At first they ignore you, then they hate you, or something like that.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:23 AM
Mar 2016

The MSM is in the bag for a Trump/Hillary election.

But, that show has been cancelled, and replaced by the new spring program, "Here's Bernie".
(Spoken like the introduction of Johnny Carson by Ed McMahon on the Tonight Show)

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
58. K&R They honestly prefer a republican over progressive change.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:19 AM
Mar 2016

At this point, they couldn't be more obvious. One chains himself to those struggling for basic human rights, the other gets pointers from Kissinger.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
62. nah
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:39 AM
Mar 2016

1. Could you raise more money than any Republican opponent...

According to the New York Times from Feb. 20, , Ted Cruz has raised more money than Bernie Sanders

2. Draw larger crowds than any other candidate.

Pop star Justin Bieber draws massive crowds.

3. And poll better than all Republican candidates.

What does that even mean?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
68. Is it only in America where the candidate with the most votes in the end wins?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:13 AM
Mar 2016

Maybe we could suppress the news of the poll numbers, but then we have Freedom of the Press here so we couldn't keep them from ourselves or others.

 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
72. Darn that free press...
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:28 AM
Mar 2016

...and those one million plus popular votes lead!
....and that lead in the delegate count!
....or the lead in many polls for upcoming races in delegate rich states!

If not for them, Bernie would be winning!

He raised the most money!

(wait, I thought the person with the most money was the bad guy..? Money = defacto evil, right?)

But I kid...

treestar

(82,383 posts)
73. yeah how did bernie raise all that cash?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:30 AM
Mar 2016

Seems like there should be some scrutiny as money is always suspicious here is Bernie Underground.

More than the Republican candidates is not so hard when there are so many of them.

And the crowd sizes matters not one whit. I may not attend a Hillary rally, but I'm voting for her, which matters, not whether I go to a rally!

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
93. He raised that cash from people like me, who give $10/mo, even though
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:59 PM
Mar 2016

it means I go without something to do it. I bet none of Hillary's people do without to see that she gets the money. No, no,no, not her billionaire and millionaire Wall Street buds. As, a gay activist for decades, I know who is on my side and it surely is not Her Highness, who finally said ok to Marriage Equality AFTER the SCOTUS ruled. She will have us into another war in a heartbeat. No jobs except in the so-called MIC. Screw that.

They_Live

(3,236 posts)
69. We need to eliminate the electoral college.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:18 AM
Mar 2016

One person, One vote, not one dollar, one vote, as creepy goldman sack man wants.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
71. Once Again... Great Post MadFloridian... I've Been Working On
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:24 AM
Mar 2016

making some permanent painted yard signs and this one is GREAT. A little long, but sums it up clearly. Had some thoughts about signs for BOTH T-RUMP and HILLARY! Not going away WITHOUT leaving a very strong message about how very much I feel about Hillary. Signs will be wooden and T-RUMP's is easy but haven't figured how negative my Hillary one will be.

Sorry folks, but I have NEVER, EVER in my life felt so negative about any candidate in life! Not giving up on Bernie, but with ALL OF MSM constantly telling EVERYONE he can't win, our GULLIBLE and uninformed electorate may be buying more of Hillary's LIES & total BULL CRAP! Calling me names are of no consequence to me, I simply know what I feel.

It's gotten so difficult to even listen to her voice each time I hear her speak, I simply hit the "mute" button or turn her off completely. It would be nice if I could find some way to accept her, but TRUST is a big thing for me and I DO-NOT-TRUST-HER!

She's already stolen Bernie's message and too many people are under the "illusion" she will abandon her core beliefs and govern that way! AND given all that DWS is doing right now should make everyone take a long hard look at what her real plans are.

It's more than SAD that people of this country will be willing to choose the TWO most UNLIKED candidates to vote for. The Democratic Party will lose all respect so many of us ONCE had for it!

Having to vote for someone you actually dislike and have no faith in JUST TO keep a man who has whipped up too many people that may make the leader back during WWII look so similar is disastrous!

My thoughts go deeper, but it's best not to go further. But, should she prevail... I'm gone!

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
79. Pic?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:22 PM
Mar 2016

You mean meme..Big crowds do not translate to votes. Raising more money does not translate into more votes,

DownriverDem

(6,229 posts)
81. But
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:32 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie has to win states to rack up delegates. In 2008 as Obama won states, the superdelegates flipped to him from Hillary. Yesterday there was a picture on FB showing huge crowds for Bernie. The questions was "Why isn't Bernie winning in a landslide?". Simple. Just because you attack large crowds doesn't mean all those folks vote.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
99. Don't get that post really.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:34 AM
Mar 2016

What does it mean? He's not losing, he's actually ahead?

For him to be "viable" he has to win the nomination. He is losing and it appears he has a tough road.

To me, viability starts with winning the nomination. He wins caucuses mostly and we know what that means.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
100. Those matchup polls mean exactly jack shit.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:35 AM
Mar 2016

He's got to get the nomination to be viable. He is behind, substantially.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
103. In your opinion.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 10:43 AM
Mar 2016

Don't forget that. And you are a blatant partisan. I, on the other hand, would gladly vote for either candidate, because, you see, the other side is fucking lunacy.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
104. In the opinion of most matchup polls with Republicans
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:11 AM
Mar 2016

I certainly plan to vote for whoever gets the nomination.

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