2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDoes anybody REALLY find Mitt more unlikeable than Rick or Newt?
Not that I'm doubting Mitt's famous "unlikeablilty" but sheesh every time I see Santorum or Gingrich mouthing off they strike me as even MORE unlikeable.
Ron Paul is the only one of this group that I can even kinda sort see as 'likeable" in that "oh don't mind old Uncle Ron, he's a bit of a character but he means well" way.
The other three are just straight up assholes! If they were not running for office, if they were just regular guys WORKING in your office, they would EACH be the office a-hole that nobody could stand.
Pandering Richie Rich guy, holier than thou guy, conceited old perv guy. What a bunch!
I can't imagine anybody, even Republicans, wanting to "have a beer" with them or all those other silly things they say motivate people in the voting booth without them even knowing it. The Republicans have been screaming and yelling about Obama since day one and all they can come up with to run against him is THIS? It's just all so strange!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Which is a lot like saying one turd has the least offensive smell in a sewer, sure.
JI7
(89,250 posts)and i think it has to do with Mitt being a total phony.
Santorum is more scary(assuming he could actually become president) than unlikable.
for me, he's the worst of the three.
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Hawaii Hiker
(3,166 posts)he is past unlikeable....I truly HATE Rick Santorum...He is a horrible human being....
Mitt Romney is an opportunist, phony, and is highly unlikable, but Santorum is evil & despicable..
Cameron27
(10,346 posts)He's a self-rightous zealot, just like Bachman, and the thought of either of them anywhere near the Oval Office sends shivers down my spine.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)And now that Palin, Trump, Cain, and Bachmann are out of the running it's not even interesting anymore, as far as bat-shit-crazy goes.
quaker bill
(8,224 posts)But then I don't like any of them.
JohnnyLib2
(11,212 posts)Something about the lack of warmth......
The thought of the other two as president is just plain alarming IMO.
Cirque du So-What
(25,940 posts)I dislike all three of the specimens you mention, but for different reasons. 'Likeability' is so much more subjective, then, say, Christian dominionism or neoconservatism or crony capitalism, which are more objective as bases for 'like' or 'dislike' IMO. Even when I attempt to disregard whatever reactionary claptrap is emanating from their respective pieholes, it's a virtual dead heat on my personal 'unlikeability' meter; I dislike all three with equal intensity.
K8-EEE
(15,667 posts)"likeability" for the Republican base; in that they agree with Mitt's bullshit but they just don't like him personally. Yeah he's a phony, but who was more phony that Bush and his JR Ewing accent - which his parents, brothers and kids don't have?
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)No offense to those with legitimate mental restrictions - the GOP candidates have a moronic state is by their own choice.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)But if push came to shove and one of those three were really going to be President of the United States - I would be less scared of phony old Mitt Romney than real Newt or Rick.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)Romney is as phony as a $3 bill, and he can't even hide his phoniness. Because he has spent his whole life in a bubble of extreme wealth he has no clue what to say when he feels he needs to talk like a regular person - he doesn't have any idea about how most people live, work or think. So he often has what Howard Fineman referred to as "Conehead moments" where he says stuff that makes him sound like he's from another planet (e.g., he loves Michigan, where "the trees are the right size" . You can almost see the gears turning in his head as he struggles to come up with a "regular guy" remark. He reminds me a bit of Michael Scott from "The Office" - he thinks he's awesome, loveable and cool when he's being phony and smarmy, but everybody else knows he's a fake and thinks he's lame.
Santorum is unlikeable for pretty much the opposite reason: He's a raving extremist and he's completely sincere about it. He's not phony; he's a true believer. He's Torquemada; he's the Ayatollah. He'd condemn you to the stake for heresy because he sincerely believes that's the only way to save your soul. He is much more frightening than the opportunistic Romney because there seems to be no limit to his extremism. And while he doesn't radiate insincerity like Romney, there is something really skeevy about him beyond (or maybe because of) his Talibanish religious rigidity. This is a guy who spends way too much time obsessing over other people's sex lives, and that's very creepy.
And then there's Newt, whom almost nobody likes, and with good reason. He's a pompous, condescending, arrogant, nasty, hypocritical asshole. And that's just what other Republicans think of him. Peggy Noonan (who is not especially likeable, either) called him an "angry little attack muffin." That pretty much says it all.
Take your pick: you can have phony, crazy, or mean. There is nothing to like about any of them.
renate
(13,776 posts)Am I just not that aware of popular culture, or did Howard come up with that phrase himself? That's fabulous.
Also over "angry little attack muffin."
I think your comparison with Michael Scott is spot-on.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)If you are too young to have seen them, you must go here: http://www.hulu.com/watch/4187/saturday-night-live-the-coneheads-at-home
renie408
(9,854 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)with Santorum & Gingrich. Santorum has, at times, surprised me about how far out his views actually extend but I don't find either of them quite as "threatening" as Romney because Obama would crush either of them like a bug in the GE. Mitt worries me more because, some of his comments notwithstanding, has the kind of record- as Governor of Massachusetts- that people voting in GE might ultimately decide is "moderate" enough to win their support in a GE (if Romney can make it there). Romney is a panderer and would do whatever Grover Norquist wants him to do if he got elected POTUS but he just doesn't come off as being as "scary" or "unlikable" as Gingrich or Santorum and it will be harder for the Obama campaign to make him look as scary as Gingrich and Santorum.
Romney's "electability", as of late, has been challenged by the Republican Party but that is primarily because the party "base" has moved (and continues to move) further to the right and they command the most influence at the moment. It remains to be seen if Santorum can broaden his appeal to the "base" to the whole of the Republican Party. If he does, then he could very well knock Mitt out and win the nomination. If not, then he will be the latest "not-Romney" to enjoy a brief surge in popularity only to ultimately fade away just like Bachmann, Perry, Cain, Gingrich have all done before him.
If he and Romney continue to tussle and neither achieves a commanding lead, I wouldn't be surprised for them to discuss a combined ticket. Romney could present the more "moderate" face of the ticket and Santorum would keep the fundies riled up and get them to the polls on Election Day. That, at least to me, would be the more worrisome scenario though the thought of Santorum being a heartbeat away from the Presidency would definitely energize the Democratic base as well and would probably cost Romney some independent support just Palin scared them away from voting for McCain in 2008.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)politicasista
(14,128 posts)Just being honest.
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)Gingrich may very well be the most despicable jerk in the universe. Pol Pot was a decent guy compared to Gingrich. If he was torn apart by ravenous hounds, then I would feel sorry for the hounds.
K8-EEE
(15,667 posts)It's hard to even look at a picture of him (especially with the bizarre wifey looking on in frozen-faced admiration ) and not cringe...
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)fooled. I sat listening to George Soros claim that there is virtually no difference between Mittens and Romney.
Then, one of my closest friends told me the other night that Obama and Romney are "pretty much the same."
BULLSHIT!!!
And that's what is scary to me: That so many people are being duped by this guy. Here's the same guy who said that there should be no capital gains tax, believes in and supports "personhood" laws, and continues to embrace "trickle down" Reaganomics.
It is absolutely CRUCIAL that Democrats start drawing comparisons between the president and Romney.
On the Road
(20,783 posts)Can hardly even stand to hear him speak. Santorum I think is someone you can support if you agree with him in some fundamental way. He is a warrior for a particular cause, even if it's misguided and he turns off anyone who disagrees with him.
I agree with you about Romney -- he seems normal, sane and likeable, if a bit anxious to please and seem like a regular guy. Despite his loyalty to the wealthy, at least he seems to know how things work. He is the only Republican candidate I am not very, very afraid of.