Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:12 PM Oct 2012

Friendly Reminder

I decided to look back at some 2008 polls and I found something interesting. There was a period around mid-september where McCain lead Obama after the convention, as you probably all remember. Here is the interesting bit

McCain was ahead of Obama for nearly 2 weeks. His poll average, according to RCP reached nearly a 3 point lead. It was a 7 point swing in McCain's favor over a few days. And yet Obama came back and crushed the old man and the retard.

Romney's bounce has allowed him to lead Obama so far for only 4 days and so far he has been ahead by only 1.5 point or less. Romney peaked at 1.5 two days ago and has fallen to a 1 point lead as of right now. Romney peaked at 48% of the vote and is now down to 47.3% today. Obama bottomed out at 46.1% and is now up to 46.3%.

The bounce that Romney got from the debate last week seems is smaller than what McCain got in 2008 (7% compared to about 3.5%), the peak so far seems to be much lower, and the peak seems to have come and gone much earlier. So Obama could come back from a 3 point deficit that lasted for weeks in 2008 but he can't come back from a 1 point deficit after 4 days? There is a bit less time to make up lost ground than in 2008 but there is also a lot less ground to make up. 1 month to go and we don't think Obama can't overcome a 1 point deficit in that time? And these are RCP numbers, so it is 1 point at worst.

Maybe the doom and gloom is misplaced? Do you not think that in the next month, Romney is going to say something incredibly stupid? That in the next month more past comments about fucking over the poor won't come out? Do you not think that in the next month, Obama's team of brilliant political strategist won't come up with a plan to make up a 1 point deficit? It is ridiculous to think that the next month is going to be pure inertia and an external force won't knock this election into a completely different direction.

9 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Friendly Reminder (Original Post) Doctor Jack Oct 2012 OP
The difference is (1) timing and (2) Lehman really put Obama over the top. geek tragedy Oct 2012 #1
THANK YOU FOR THIS POST!! GallopingGhost Oct 2012 #2
psst ... your post would be great if it didn't fishwax Oct 2012 #3
I'm trying to pull up a map that shows GallopingGhost Oct 2012 #4
here is one -- by this time, Obama was solidly ahead again for good fishwax Oct 2012 #5
Yes, thank you, finally figured it out! GallopingGhost Oct 2012 #6
Yes this isn't identical to 2008 Doctor Jack Oct 2012 #7
k/r Dawson Leery Oct 2012 #8
Doesn't It Feel Like Obama's Campaign Has Been Suspiciously Quiet the Last Few Days? Doctor Jack Oct 2012 #9
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
1. The difference is (1) timing and (2) Lehman really put Obama over the top.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:15 PM
Oct 2012

It was a tied race when Lehman went belly up. Obama was underperforming, all things considered, up until that point. McCain's messaging people were running circles around Obama's.

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
2. THANK YOU FOR THIS POST!!
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:17 PM
Oct 2012

I was racking my brains today, trying to remember what the polls looked like in 2008 at this time, and the electoral map, also. I think neither looked good. Everyone expected McCain to win, I know.

I still think President Obama is in really good shape to win. The VP debate went extremely well, you can bet your buns he will be in top form for debates #2 and #3, and he's got money in the bank to slam the swing states with ads in the home stretch.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
3. psst ... your post would be great if it didn't
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:18 PM
Oct 2012

refer to Sarah Palin as "the retard." Using the word that way is offensive to many on DU. Out of respect to their feelings (as well as to avoid having an otherwise worthwhile post potentially hidden), might I suggest you edit that out of your post?

As to the rest of it: an important reminder. I do remember McCain looking really solid at times. I never really believed the country could actually vote for him, though. I feel the same way this time around. Yep, doom and gloom definitely misplaced.

Of course it all still depends on getting turnout!

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
4. I'm trying to pull up a map that shows
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:28 PM
Oct 2012

what it looked like on this date, 2008.

I thought I could do that through electoral-map.com but I can't find it.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
5. here is one -- by this time, Obama was solidly ahead again for good
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:33 PM
Oct 2012

Here's the map from today's date in 2008 at electoral-vote.com: http://electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Oct12.html

In September it was much tighter, and McCain was actually ahead in mid-September. By October, Obama was cruising at 300+ for almost the whole way.

You can find the "This date in 2008" link on the left-hand side of the main page at electoral-vote.com. (Once there, you can move backward and forward by changing the date in the url.)

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
6. Yes, thank you, finally figured it out!
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:37 PM
Oct 2012

It's closer than it should be, given what damned liars R/R are, but I still think we will carry Ohio and Virginia, Iowa, Colorado and Nevada, and New Hampshire.

I am waiting for Biden's debate performance to sink in with seniors in Florida.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
7. Yes this isn't identical to 2008
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 11:47 PM
Oct 2012

That isn't the point. The point is, when you are in the middle of it, the bounces seem hopeless. However, when you put things into context, our current situation isn't that bad. I remember in 2008, I had pretty much given up on the election for about 2 weeks there. It did seem hopeless. We were about 5 weeks from the election and McCain had a pretty solid lead. And Obama overcame it. The mechanism as to how doesn't matter. Yes he can't wait for Lehman's to collapse again but he can take advantage of an event. He can call out Romney when he says something incredibly stupid (and that will happen). The point is he did it before and he can do it again. He has climbed much steeper hills than this.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
9. Doesn't It Feel Like Obama's Campaign Has Been Suspiciously Quiet the Last Few Days?
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 12:12 AM
Oct 2012

I do wonder what they are up to...

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Friendly Reminder