PPP teaser about OH poll tomorrow

[geek tragedy]

Ohio looks pretty darn close on the first night of our poll there. We'll do more calls tomorrow and have results in the evening

When we release the Ohio poll tomorrow there will be a breakdown of people who've already voted vs. have yet to vote

They can join Nate Silver under the bus tomorrow I guess.

[Mario_Ordinario]

1. I never liked PPP anyway

Whatever.

[LonePirate]

2. Is the Friday night effect in place again? If so, no wonder it is close.

[Firebirds01]

3. So what should we do to reverse the trend?

?

[geek tragedy]

6. Obama is the only one who can reverse this.

He has to have the best 90 minutes of his life on Tuesday.

Otherwise, this is going to get away from him in a hurry.

[WI_DEM]

4. well their last poll of Ohio was close too--Obama +4

PPP (D) 9/27 - 9/30 897 LV 3.3 49 45 Obama +4

Taken at a time when Obama was flying high prior to the first debate. So we'll have to see what it is tomorrow. They still have polling to do tomorrow.

[mzmolly]

5. Why do you think they'll end up

under the "proverbial bus" tomorrow?

[geek tragedy]

17. Parts of DU are rapidly approaching "skewed polls" mentality. nt

[mzmolly]

18. But there is nothing in the teaser that

indicates Obama is losing Ohio.

[geek tragedy]

38. Trend lines. It used to be that a bad poll was Obama up 2 and a good one was

Obama up 9.

Now, a good poll is anything showing him ahead and bad is sowing him behind.

Maybe the numbers will bounce back. But, Romney's bounce has cemented into a structural change in the race.

[mzmolly]

61. I see.

It would be nice if undecided America thought about more than the theatrics of Romney's "performance" in recent debates - wouldn't it??

[geek tragedy]

87. It would. But no one went broke or lost an election because they underestimated

the American consumer or voter.

[AverageJoe90]

80. Romney's bounce ended about 2 days ago.

Come on, man, have you been asleep since October 10th, or what?

[geek tragedy]

88. Yes, his polling has been getting better each and every day.

Yesterday was the best day of polling he's had. Thursday was the next best day. Etc.

That's movement, momentum. And what Obama offered up to slow it was effing Big Bird.

[mzmolly]

92. I think some polls still reflect his bounce.

We'll see where we're at next week.

[AverageJoe90]

94. His momentum's slowed down.

I just found about a massive ad-buy that Romney and co. did right after the elections ended.....that would explain the continued surge of the Romney campaign even after his debate bounce ended.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=139075

C'mon, man, wake the fuck up already.

[AverageJoe90]

78. I question that very much. nt

[Blaukraut]

7. For reference, their previous numbers

O 49
R 45

9/27 - 9/30

So they weren't all that impressive to begin with. Probably tightened to a two point margin, which would be in line with a few other Ohio polls. They also tweeted that they would do callbacks tomorrow, so their final result might not be as close as they hinted tonight.

[Mario_Ordinario]

83. if O had been up 5%, would ppp be impressive?

where does impressive kick in?

[budkin]

8. According to Nate, Mitt is beginning to gain in swing states

I just don't understand.

[Daniel537]

10. Poor debate performance. Simple as that. n/t

[geek tragedy]

13. Obama got up in front of 70 million people and couldn't tell them why he deserved

to be re-elected. He didn't act like he thought he deserved it.

[ProSense]

16. Mitt stood up in front of those same people and lied

which I guess means he should win and Obama should lose in your view.

[geek tragedy]

20. No, it means that Romney wanted it more and is a more effective candidate.

He'll be a terrible president and people will die and suffer due to him.

Wish Obama had thought about that kind of thing when he decided to cancel debate prep for a field trip to the Hoover Dam.

[ProSense]

23. "is a more effective candidate"

Luckily we all don't have screwed up judgment.

[geek tragedy]

31. Obama's campaign had this thing won. Won. In the bag.

The ad war had worked to perfection. The convention was a huge success.

Then he got up there, man vs man with Mitt Romney, and crumbled.

[ProSense]

32. Nonsense

Gallup had the race tied in mid September: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251138192

[geek tragedy]

39. And now they show him behind. your point? nt

[ProSense]

41. The one that escaped you:

He was tied in Sept among registered voters, he's now ahead.

Check again: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251138192

There was no likley voter poll for Gallup until this week.

[geek tragedy]

48. Gallup also changed the % of cell phones in their poll this week.

So there's that.

Bottom line: Obama will be better on Tuesday than he was in Denver. That's a low bar.

But, will he be good, let alone good enough? He hasn't prepared or practiced for this debate either, so . . .

[woolldog]

53. he most certainly has prepared and practiced. nt

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

54. Well he's in Williamsburg this weekend to bone up. I think he know's better then anyone

the situation he's in. He'll do well. Whether it's good enough we'll have to see. Greek is right about the ad war. The Obama campaign had it won and for whatever reason, Obama blew the debate. I think it was a combination of his staff telling him to play it safe and him being over-confident. He has a chance to bring it back and it'll be a challenge I think. The campaign seems to be coming down to this debate. Pukes are fired-up after thinking it was lost. Obama has to not only get the base energized but he has to win back some of "independents" that saw his debate and ran for the hills.

[RBInMaine]

73. Why are you TROLLING AND TOOLING FOR ROBME ON THIS BOARD? GO AWAY !

[AverageJoe90]

81. I am beginning to wonder if this may indeed be true. nt

[UnrepentantLiberal]

84. You're in a heep of trouble.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240153447

[WI_DEM]

24. People around here seem to forget that there are two more debates

and that yes, Obama fumbled the first one but it's pretty clear he is not going to do the same thing in the next two. Biden did a great job refuting the GOP in his debate IN HIS WAY--Obama will pick up on that in his debate and do it HIS WAY. People who think Obama is going to go into the next debate acting like Joe Biden are mistaken. He will refute Romney but he will do it in a way that is consistent with his personality--and also with the type of forum it is--town hall.

[budkin]

47. I think the town hall format will suit him well

[GreenPartyVoter]

52. If the viewers didn't _know_ he lied, then he came across as strong and decisive. Rather like

another blustery Repub they loved. Remember **?

[jsmirman]

66. This is sadly really accurate

I talked to a couple from NE Florida tonight - Dems who initially said they weren't voting for the President because of the debate - this shit is painfully real.

I think I had them at legitimately undecided when we were done, because I can fucking sell.

He's damaged himself badly. I hope and think he can undo some of that damage on Tuesday. His political life - and the real lives of so many of us who are completely dependent on him coming through for us - depends on it.

If he loses, I lose the Court for possibly the rest of my lifetime, my environment is fucked, animals are even more fucked than they were under Obama, the food supply becomes beyond perilous to all consumers including yours truly, women are fucked, and the world may possibly end, because Romney should in no way shape or form get the chance to start WWIII. Which he damn well might.

That better fucking mean something to our guy.

I will fight to the end if he will. I have every expectation he will show that willingness.

[woolldog]

67. What was their reasoning

in not voting for him based on 1 debate? We're not electing a debater in chief after all.

Good job, btw.

[jsmirman]

68. I know this is hard to hear, but the guy at least

felt that the economy he sees all around him (he's in construction) isn't good and Obama gave him no reason to think he was the man to improve on that, and no indication that he had a fucking pulse to take on the challenge.

That's terrible.

Now there are counterpoints - please see my post on the entire conversation here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021528095#post18

There are many things I thought he should be considering, and he was open-minded enough (read, also, not that firmly decided) to listen.

Some might think he was just being polite, but I don't think so. I think I put - at minimum - the seeds of doubt into him, and he's at least thinking that Romney might be a very, very bad choice.

And I think I made arguments that resonated with his wife, and so maybe her vote got pushed further to our side, and maybe her opinion will work further on him.

I sold hard, but very polite and very much in the vein of I know exactly where you're coming from. Which, at least in my experience, is the right way to sell on the campaign trail.

My hope and feeling is that I convinced him to watch the 2nd debate.

Now Obama better fucking deliver.

[ProSense]

9. Maybe they'll have Romney leading. Let's consider:

August: Obama Maintains 3 Point Lead in Ohio
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_OH_081212.pdf

September:

Obama’s lead up to 5 in Ohio
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_OH_9912.pdf

Obama leads by 4 in Ohio
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_OH_930.pdf

If it doesn't show Romney leading, then it's cool.

[WI_DEM]

14. Exactly, I posted pretty much same thing above that PPP last poll was only +4

for Obama when everything was peaches and cream prior to the first debate. My guess is that it will be Obama ahead 1-2 points which isn't really that much of a shift. Also early voting numbers will be included, which if PPP is like Survey USA (which showed Obama ahead by 1-point) and NBC which had Obama up by 6--it should show a strong early vote for Obama.

Look it's increasingly looking like the media is going to get the close election they wanted. I think similar to 2004 when the incumbent won by 2-points. So yes, the battleground states are going to be close if that is the case. I just hate the idea of the usual suspects around here freaking out and bringing everybody else down in the process.

If Obama has a good Tuesday night you could see all polls change quickly as well.

[woolldog]

11. If the numbers from Ohio aren't good,

I'm going to completely lose it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. You Are Enjoying This A Little Too Much

It must be nice to be inured from the havoc a Romney presidency would bring.

[geek tragedy]

15. Enjoying? No. To tell the truth, I'm seething with anger

at the President for failing to take that debate as seriously as he needed to. He blew off debate prep for stuff like visiting the Hoover Dam. It was a betrayal of everyone who had put their trust in him. He sent out countless emails asking people "are you in?"

When it came time to face Mitt Romney, Barack Obama was not in when it counted.

I flew myself to Iowa in the pit of winter in 2007 to help him win the nomination, and goddamn it I regret that and will the rest of my life.

[ProSense]

19. I think you're confusing panic with "truth" n/t

[geek tragedy]

22. I guess I should chill out, because he's got this. nt

[ProSense]

28. Probably not a

bad idea: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021506513

[Shivering Jemmy]

46. No. Just get out of politics.

It's too much for you and it seems you can't handle the stress. Find another hobby.

[hrmjustin]

62. lol!

[writes3000]

21. Yes, your hatred of the President is very clear. You seethe in every post.

You take perverse pleasure in it. You go to sleep i assume. And then you start spewing your hatred all over again.

[geek tragedy]

25. Two weeks ago I was getting posts hidden for attacking critics of the President here.

Then the President decided it was more important to visit the Hoover Dam than to prepare for his debate.

[ProSense]

30. Looks like nothing has changed.

You apparently were panicking then too.

[woolldog]

44. i think you attacked me a few times

for criticisms

[geek tragedy]

45. I was probably a real dick about it too.

But this stuff is worth getting passionate about.

[woolldog]

49. Don't give up.

I'm angry at Obama too. In fact, I haven't been happy with the way he's governed since the ACA. But he's what we've got, and the alternative is too dangerous to just give up. Hang in there

[geek tragedy]

51. We'll see if he's in on Tuesday. Pray that he is. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. We Can't Put The Toothpaste Back In The Tube

We can only hope and expect he will do better.

[geek tragedy]

36. No we can't. Positive news is that Senate is looking great for us. The first woman President

will get elected to the Senate in November--I'm convinced it'll be Gillibrand or Warren.

I was around in 1980, and that debate felt all too familiar. That feeling a person gets when they know who's going to win and who's going to lose. Had that feeling after the RNC in 2004. After the DC-area primaries in 2008 and then when McCain suspended his campaign in the fall.

Got that feeling at that debate. I've been hoping for the data to turn around, but ten days later quite the opposite.

And this was totally preventable. Some tightening yes, but this?

Sigh.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Carter Had A Much Worse Economy And The Ayatollah Was Clowning Us

Plus Obama gets two more shots at the apple.

[geek tragedy]

42. Certainly the scale won't approach 1980--it'll be close.

But Obama just doesn't seem to have it unless he's on the stump preaching to the choir. He wasn't good at the Univision forum. DNC speech was workmanlike at best.

And he hasn't prepared for this debate.

It just seems like he gets the yips when trying to persuade people to vote for him.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. The Country Was In Much Worse Shape In 1980

Gas lines, incipient inflation, foreign policy debacles.


Look, I am disappointed. President Obama wasn't my first choice but I say this from the bottom of my heart; the enemies he has made has made me love him.

Apres Barack Obama le deluge.

[jsmirman]

65. I agree with things you've said in this thread, but "he hasn't prepared"????

Totally unfair and wrong.

The failures of the first debate fall under the category of criminal stupidity, imo, and I think people like us are extra furious, because we've put real skin in the game.

But Obama and his advisers are not clueless. There is NO WAY that he will not be prepared for this debate. They have the message, loud and clear from all sides - donors, other politicians, the polls, etc.

Like I told everyone, I guarantee that multiple large donors tore Obama up something fierce over the phone - and their calls get answered.

I can't guarantee how he'll do, although I hope and think it will be much better.

I don't see any way that he isn't as prepared as he's ever been on Tuesday. He knows he's in a fight for his life.

That he put himself there is tough to take, but it is what it is now, and don't see any way that they wave the white flag here.

He'll be ready.

[DonCoquixote]

55. I do feel you

I get a creepy feeling that for Hillary to stop challenging for 2008, some devil's deal was made where Obama took in Geitner, Rahm, and Hill herself, who frankly, made damned sure that forgien and domestic policy were not changed. Obama and Hillary are wonks, technocrats, with them both lacking and needing Bill Clinton's talent for reducing ideas to common terms. That does nto make them bad polticians, but in America, we want someone to appeal to our glands as well as our brains.

That being said, I doubt an extra hour of prep would have made a difference. Mitt was given the credibility going in, because the news wanted a horserace. Now, I did not slam your point, so hear me out here.

Do you think that the whole coordinated pillorying by MSNBC was an accident? I am not saying Karl Rove planned anything, but the fact is that whatever flaw Obama had, the Eds and Tweetys cranked up to eleven, why, because, they are paid to appeal to the glands, the fears, the rages. They are not just paid to do that, but they are paid to ensure THAT is the level of American political thought. In other words, MSNBC is a lesser degree of stupid, but it is still about keeping thought managed, rather than loosened.

That being said, Obama and Joe could have worked on things different, mostly by ABANDONING THE PRETENSE of debate. America wants wrong and strong, and Obama needs to project that.

I respect realism, however, there is one thing many of the DOOOm posters do. They keep acting like Obama could have killed Mitt that night. The fact that Mitt's performance was at best C+ disproves that. There is a fact that needs to be repeated like a mantra:

The media wants a horserace...aum...the media wants a horserace....aum

and why, because Citizens united made sure they will get RICH.

Let's not forget, if this thign became a 269 ton 269 mess, with Florida and Ohio stealing ballots, the media will sing Hallelujah. They have what James madison would call a "vested interest in disorder."

The only recourse we have is what we always had, GOTV, and talking to people. However, that is really what we should have counted on all along. Polls are illusions at best, bad or good, as, for all their math, they have so many variables that it becomes impossible to tell the cooked results from the simply useless. As I have said before,the silver lining her is that now, we are not lulled into complaceny by the polls. I feared this, as I remember how in 2000 the polls said that Florida should have been a cakewalk for Gore, only to see the GOP break yet another low. This panic can be used to make sure we do not play hare to the GOP turtle.

Now, we can avoid making the mistake Obama made, sitting on the ball and running out the clock. We need to go all out smash mouth.

[mzmolly]

27. So, your post is an attempt at demonstrating you were

right?

Races generally tighten. That's not unusual.

[CthulhusEvilCousin]

33. And what do you suppose this is going to do?

Repeating a talking point everyone, including the President, has already acknowledged? If they were out there saying they did awesome, I'd agree with you. But you're beating a dead horse.

[Voice for Peace]

70. have you ever had a bad day, when people expected a lot of you

and you just couldn't pull it off, on that day,
not well enough to fulfill your job or your promises?
And people were disappointed and angry with you?

[geek tragedy]

89. I have never gone into a job interview without a basic plan to tout my past

achievements and why I would be the right person to hire for the job.

If Obama had put that little thought and prepared so little for a deposition or witness at a trial, he'd be guilty of malpractice.

He wasn't in. He didn't act like he believed he deserves a second term.

[Voice for Peace]

91. Is it possible you are assuming more than you actually know?

For example, you really don't know his preparedness,
nor what else he had on his plate that day.

I don't know if there is someone else who could have
done better, but it wasn't enough to rattle my confidence
in him, I'm sorry you are feeling so gloomy -- because
even if your worst opinions of him are true, would you
choose someone else? Or just let it go to default,
and not vote at all?

[BeyondGeography]

29. That stupid fucking debate needs to go away

Tuesday.

[budkin]

50. Seriously. It's been tearing all of us up inside for a week

I believe that Obama can fight back. I still can't believe a debate can do that much damage though. Just goes to show you how awful he was.

[mzmolly]

34. NBC News/WSJ/Marist Poll Ohio - October 11, 2012

... Presidential Election

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/news/Marist%20OH%2010-12.pdf

Obama up six in Ohio as of 10/11/2012. Granted, this is one poll, but It's been a steady (win) for Obama.

[UrbScotty]

37. Thank you for posting this.

It will be interesting to see how things move in Ohio, but for now, if anyone is the favorite there, it is undoubtedly Obama.

[mzmolly]

59. You are most

welcome.

I hope that PPP will have good news in their poll results - tomorrow as well.

[MFM008]

35. I still have hope in Ohio

I dont care what PPPPPPPPPeeeee says. Just that and Iowa and O gets to 270.

[Jennicut]

56. Ohio needs to stay within a point or two but Obama has a lead with early voting there.

It will make a difference. Dems also have an advantage with early voting in Iowa. We need Iowa, Ohio and of course to hold onto Wisconsin and New Hampshire. We do not need FL, VA, CO, NV, etc. Nevada looks like it might stay on our side. I would hate for it to be this close but I would not panic if we kept NV, OH, IA and NH. VA will be very, very close. FL may be Romney territory due to the older age of the people there (older people vote more for Repubs). CO has more registered Repubs, very hard to tell in that state.

[Blaukraut]

58. Romney hasn't led in a single Ohio poll so far

So even if he ends up leading in the upcoming PPP poll, it won't be by much. When all Ohio polls in the coming weeks will have him ahead and at the 50% mark, I'll concede he may win there, but not until then. Same goes for the other firewall state polls. (WI, IA, NV)

[woolldog]

64. we need IA or NV for sure

either one or both. They're 6 EVs each.

[budkin]

72. I have a great feeling about both of those states, especially Iowa

But I think he takes NV too

[MFM008]

60. betting against us?

Id rather overdose than put money on Romney. geez.

[hrmjustin]

63. betting against Obama! Please don't.

[Azathoth]

69. It's almost as if people were anxiously *looking* for a reason to turn on us

I'm as pissed as the next guy at Obama's inexcusable non-performance last week, but this is starting to get out of control. If Ohio decides it's willing to vote for a corporate parasite who eagerly demanded Detroit go bankrupt over the guy who actually saved the fucking backbone of the American car industry, then we might as well throw in the towel.

I just can't fathom how 90 fucking minutes of poor debating caused a billion-dollar campaign to collapse and convinced millions of people to switch their vote overnight to a guy who is on tape expressing outright contempt and hatred for them. I'm getting the distinct feeling that something else is at work here, like there was a submerged pocket of resentment toward Obama that was suddenly ruptured, almost as if a lot of people out there wanted to vote against him, but needed some legitimate justification for doing so.

[Maximumnegro]

71. Because the base validated the loss

We have to take responsibility here too. Look at Biden - they were ready to call that debate a draw and tie but we were pumped and got our red meat and slowly pundits started conceding Biden won, sorta. The two polls with Biden winning are not huge margins either. The difference is we fought the narrative right away and maintained enthusiasm and the media corrected itself a notch. Last week the base shit itself completely and sided with the pundits. That sealed the narrative, validated Romney (who was going to win the debate based on precedence anyway), and demoralized the base. The O campaign did not see out part coming. They figured Obama would lose anyway and hopefully could break even at best. But the base fed the narrative into a spiral. We can't pretend that we are not part of the political media feedback when it's convenient. Pundits and news sites track DU and Dkos, etc. pull stories and make statements based on what they read here. We freaked and they knew it and they put a big fat Base Approved stamp on the crushing defeat narrative. Sorry but Obama as scapegoat doesn't cut it. We reeked of fear and became chum in the water.

Now we have hold ranks and push like hell with enthusiasm and gotv. And for god's sake whether Obama gives you a stiffy or not next week STFU and yeah, clap louder. People can make 'fair and balanced' critique when he's sworn in.

[Azathoth]

74. I agree

The response from our side validated the loss and made it an uncontested fact rather than a hotly disputed political assertion. If we had fallen into lockstep and pushed back, regardless of what we actually belived, then we might have attenuated some of the damage. But that's the problem with living in the reality-based community. The Right is used to living in a closed information environment in which reality is shaped through sheer force of will, and when threatened they instinctively fall into lockstep behind their authority figure. We're not wired that way, we don't default into that mode when caught off guard.

[LisaL]

75. Yep.

It's not like there is an objective way to determine who actually won the debate.
Screaming how Obama supposedly lost is not going to do any good.

[Maximumnegro]

79. You mean we don't default into that mode

when we have been in the rare position of being on offense for so long. Being caught 'off-guard' is something Dems (at least the leadership) are very good at. The base doesn't know how to handle confidence and winning and for a split second we thought the truth would out and that the media would give a fair shake. Nothing to do with 'reality-based'. That's just a code word for fear-based thinking, negative motivation. Whenever I hear Dems use 'reality' it's always in conjunction with a negative projection. If it's positive, it's don't be complacent, etc. Constantly negative motivation and projection borne of a party that is used to losing. Having your candidate's back is not lockstep, even your analogy is negative as though wed be fascists for backing the pres. Dems need to change their whole way of thinking. For a brief moment this summer there was a glimpse of a possible future for the party - I have never been prouder than when Reid and all the Dems came out against Romney in unison again and again and didn't let up.

[Azathoth]

93. Being gun-shy is part of it

Democrats have watched defeat get snatched from the jaws of victory many, many times, and deep down they are always looking for it to happen again. But the criticism of Obama was mostly fair; he did fuck up, badly. He walked into a critical debate in front of 70 million people and largely refused to stand up for himself and his supporters. Pointing that out isn't "fear-based thinking" -- it's acknowledging objective reality. Dealing with an unexpected external threat like bad jobs numbers, an October surprise, etc. is one thing. In those situations, you rally behind the big cheese and stand united. But it's something else to march onto the battlefield only to watch your general stride out in front of his forces and preemptively surrender to the other guy. That's a demoralizing gut punch, and claiming it as a victory is not an honest or factually-grounded reaction, even if doing so might be politically advantageous. Having someone's back even when they don't have yours is the definition of lockstep.

[brindis_desala]

97. better to help the opposition. genius.

[Surya Gayatri]

86. Unfortunately, progressives tend to run 180° in the opposite direction.

Last edited Sat Oct 13, 2012, 10:08 AM - Edit history (1)

"instinctively fall(ing) into lockstep behind (an) authority figure" is ideologically anathema to progressives.

Just like the proverbial herd of cats. Democratic strategists and leaders must sometimes feel like these cat herders:

[Surya Gayatri]

85. Thank you for this frank and honest assessment, Maxi.

"Last week the base shit itself completely and sided with the pundits. That sealed the narrative, validated Romney (who was going to win the debate based on precedence anyway), and demoralized the base."

There you have it--from the pundits at MSNBC to the posters on progressive forums, the narrative was set and reinforced. Self-fulfulling failure.

[daligirl519]

90. Thank you so much, Maxi. . .

Yours is the most intelligent and articulate explanation I have read regarding this madness. I think it should have its own thread so that others might read it.

[vadermike]

76. ohio

Then we cannot panic about this poll tommorow.. hopefully its close... o +1 or 2 i'll take at this point.. but Obama MUST deliver on Tues and we Dems and dem-leaning pundits must get the Pres back and dfend him to the last, .. hopefully he does well enough or better and Romney can STFU and we can go on to beat him in a few weeks.. if not .. then I don't know.. i am truly scared for my country right now!

[DisabledAmerican]

77. Please report to the Admins geek tragedy is now in violation of TOS rules

You have a poster who is passing on conspiracy theories of Obama not preparing for Debates. Some how she thinks he skipped Debate Prep. This is a violation of TOS rules and guidelines here at this website. The Poster is willing to pass these conspiracy theories on. Post here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251138625#post15

and here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251138625#post48

Violate the guidelines of this website. PLEASE PASS THESE ONTO A ADMIN. Conspiracy Theories worthy of Free Republic should not be allowed on this website. The post of her comments go beyond concern about the debate. Report this Thread Admittedly.

[TroyD]

82. Are they only doing 2 nights of polling?

It sounds like they are just polling tonight and tomorrow night.

Perhaps a 3rd night would be in order.

[MjolnirTime]

95. let go of the grudge. do you think you'll ever be able to??

[mgcgulfcoast]

96. where is the poll?

[FBaggins]

98. They were teasing preliminary results of the first day

out of a two-day sample.

I think they expect to release tonight.

On edit - oh... and they're doing battleground state polling all week.

[Cali_Democrat]

99. Obama 51-46 in Ohio (PPP) leads 76-24 with 19% early voters...How do you like them apples?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251140795#post67

[Lex]

100. I like 'em!

[Cali_Democrat]

101. You don't mess with The Biden!

Ohio voters think Biden won the debate Thursday night 46-37, including 44-32 with independents

[A-Schwarzenegger]

102. Hope nobody's heartbroken by that poll!

[morningfog]

103. I guess you are crying in your milk tonight. LOL.

Better go dig up another poll!