2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat's going on in New Bedford MA - Bill Clinton there and no one can get in to vote
According to person who took video:
This is so corrupt!! Mayor of New Bedford, MA campaigning for Hillary and blocking this voting poll!!! No one has come here to vote in the 2 hours I've been here by the door!!
Does anyone know anything about this?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Someone needs to get an attorney to obtain a court order to keep the polls open longer.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Faux pas
(14,697 posts)This SHIT is beyond disgusting.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)IF there's a hold-up, you can bet there's some kind of breakdown in local organization. I used to be a poll watcher. Lots of things can and do happen. Since ignorance is the order of this thread, I'll offer my own suggestion that an ex-president's visit could easily precipitate such a thing if local incompetents were in charge.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)No one actually said he did anything like that within 150 feet.
I will give you, however, that the MERE PRESENCE of an ex-president within 1/2 mile is probably disruptive. How many people would choose to see him, or just go watch his motorcade, instead of voting if it came to that? And if that ex-president's wife is on the ballot, his presence anywhere in town, or heck, the county, is probably kind of a de facto solicitation of votes.
But, that's not illegal.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)actively opposing another candidate and making it impossible for voters to exercise their constitutional right to vote.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Decisions or problems of the precinct managers are not his responsibility. I remember when one was closed for over 40 minutes because of computer problems. I had to break rules to come in for updates to try to figure out if it was dirty and needed to be reported. This was 2008 and lawyers were flying around the city from fire to fire. The waiting lines were a few humdred feet long, added to by a whole black upper middle class neigborborhood who had been deliberately misdirected elsewhere and spent over an hour in line in that other place without being informed. This precinct fast-tracked to the front of the line, so only about 3-1/2 hour delay to vote all told.
In any case, if Clinton showed up none of this would have been his doing.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)within 150 feet of the entrance to the polling place.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)And Bill, who has run for office many times, knew, or should have known, this law backwards and forwards.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)HUSBAND OF A CANDIDATE THAT WANTS TO WIN AT ANY COST..(not yelling just emphasizing)
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)This is at least his 4th precint stop today in MA. Two hours is probably for secret service.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,539 posts)n/t
xloadiex
(628 posts)Isn't this against the law?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The Mayor should be arrested and charged.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)is what I'd call this. Why can't the Clinton's just play fair and let the people decide?
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)??
Sourced by "person who took this video".
If you seriously believe Bill Clinton is out there suppressing votes, well....
Nanjeanne
(5,003 posts)Bill Clinton is there. Anyone can draw whatever conclusions they want but I don't think it's a smart idea to keep people outside a polling place and now allow them inside to vote. Do you?
http://wpri.com/2016/03/01/bill-clinton-arrives-in-new-bedford-on-super-tuesday/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
LisaM
(27,843 posts)but if you want to parse it differently, fine.
Nanjeanne
(5,003 posts)and posted a video by someone who is actually there. I also posted links to articles stating that Bill Clinton was at that polling place with the Mayor stumping for his wife.
So . . . Bill is there (fact). People are on line waiting to vote (fact). Person on video shows people waiting (fact). Person on video says she has been there for 2 hours (I don't know if that is factual - I don't know the person).
And you are saying, what? Bill isn't there? He is. People aren't waiting in line? Possibly the person who posted the video is a liar.
Me? I asked the question. Clearly.
brooklynite
(94,792 posts)People never have to wait to vote in a high turnout election, right?
George II
(67,782 posts)State (and Federal) law prohibits "electioneering" within a certain distance from a polling place.
This doesn't look credible to me.
questionseverything
(9,662 posts)or are my eyes lying to me?
don't worry,i realize the clintons are above the law
George II
(67,782 posts)questionseverything
(9,662 posts)as i already stated i understand the 1% are above the law
so you should just come out and admit it
it is not as if he would ever be prosecuted
George II
(67,782 posts)questionseverything
(9,662 posts)150 ft would put bill past the street and into the grass
it is all over the net
<shrugs>
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Bill Clinton is in the area and the suggestion was that his security presence, his entourage or his additional traffic--was causing delays.
Ummm...no one was suggesting that Bill Clinton was out in the parking lot physically blocking voters from the door.
Sheesh.
LisaM
(27,843 posts)I feel like I'm in "Alice in Wonderland" and I'm not going to argue about it anymore, because you'll tell me red is black and black is red.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Nanjeanne
(5,003 posts)Bill Clinton was (is) in New Bedford MA stumping for Hillary today. That's scheduled after he was in Taunton MA
http://www.heraldnews.com/news/20160301/bill-clinton-campaigning-for-hillary-today-in-taunton
Arazi
(6,829 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)n/t
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Oh yeah, I forgot: the Clintons are above the law. Nothing to see here, move along!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)questionseverything
(9,662 posts)clearly the clintons are above the law
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)No voters were prevented from entering.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Nanjeanne
(5,003 posts)Perhaps he was inside which is why no one else was allowed in?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Hillary is +8 in MA. Im sure Bill is there to literally get people to vote.
Nanjeanne
(5,003 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)Hillary is +8 in MA. Im sure Bill is there to literally get people to vote.
If the well known spouse of a candidate is AT A POLLING PLACE trying to get people to vote he is breaking MA election law. So if you're SURE he's doing that...
getagrip_already
(14,891 posts)He is appearing at the Buttonwood Park Warming house, which is NOT a polling center.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)Hillary Clintons campaign has been reminded not to solicit votes near polling sites after President Bill Clinton ventured into a polling location in Boston on Tuesday, the Secretary of the Commonwealths office said
You were saying?
jillan
(39,451 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)And if that don't work, cheat.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)There's no way campaigning is allowed inside a polling station, so Bill Clinton has no business even being there, if he's even inside. Looks to me like several people need to be arrested for election fraud.
Nanjeanne
(5,003 posts)can find.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Nothin' but a cheatah..
Nanjeanne
(5,003 posts)Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #78)
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retrowire
(10,345 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)about our pretend democracy.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)Crooks are in control.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)Lots of Clinton controversy this afternoon in MA.
Maybe he lives in Massachusetts now.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,730 posts)People outside could not get in the building to vote, people inside could not leave. Everything in limbo until the SS had him in the suburban and away from the building.
Why Clinton is at the polling place is what is interesting because no campaigning is allowed at the polls and he does not vote in MA.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I don't think he's inside the building. I think he is campaigning outside. It should not be allowed anywhere the crowds are lined up to vote. Are those people lined up to vote, or are they crowds who came out to see him.
Lots of questions.
LiberalArkie
(15,730 posts)campaign signs. You can be no closer campaigning by person or sign. And big no-no to be blocking the entrance by any means (even security).
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)They post markers to designate where sign holders can stand.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I've never actually witnessed anyone campaigning near a polling place. That juse seems obviously wrong to me. But 150' is not very far, especially when you have long lines of people waiting to get in to vote. (and that itself should be fixed...no one should have to wait in long lines to get in and do their civic duty. We have to change this)
There are a lot of people who can't leave their children/job to do this, and elderly or disabled people who just can't physically do it.
I bet if men were the primary caregiver at home, this voting practice would have been changed long ago.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Nothing will be done about this. They have blanketed the state and it is clear they want this one bad. New Bedford is a blue collar city whose best days are in the rearview mirror. (I really don't wish to insult any New Bedford citizens, but this is true). Its constituency is a blueprint of the folks Bernie has targeted since day 1.
Not surprised.
No clue if there's wrongdoing here, but there are some videos emerging on twitter that I would put in the category of "funny business"
xloadiex
(628 posts)The person who took the pic says it has already happened at 3 different polls.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/48hxt2/bill_clinton_appearance_locking_a_voting_poll/
Typical Clinton Tactics.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,374 posts)I gripe if there are seven or eight people in line when I go to vote. I don't think there are that many people in my whole precinct.
If Clinton is gumming up the works, that's criminal.
xloadiex
(628 posts)to get tired of waiting and leaving. There are also reports of people being told to take off Bernie buttons yet other people have on Hillary shirts.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)So why cant we use paper? Utter b.s.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I would hate to go back to having to stand in lines or take time off from work to vote, like I have in other states.
When it's done by mail, you actually have time to think about your vote and do research if necessary, and you have time to make sure you don't make a mistake. I see no legitimate reasons not to do it by mail.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)Maybe that's why there's a line
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,374 posts)... but two precincts at one entrance, the third at another entrance. The lines are never like in the video.
The good news: in the video, the voters are dressed like it's a nice day, not freezing rain or worse.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)It was because there were only a few voting stations which I thought was a piss poor reason to make people wait. We were voting in an elementary school gymnasium. So after I was given my ballot, I got out of line and walked over to the stage and used it as a voting station and before I was done, everyone that was there had found a spot with their ballots and there was no more line.
Ford_Prefect
(7,925 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)at the Buttonwood Warming House, which is a polling place, which is certainly odd, suspicious, and I would think inappropriate.
Billsmile
(404 posts)cannabis_flower
(3,768 posts)Bernie precinct?
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Billsmile
(404 posts)Tarc
(10,478 posts)Or is all we're going to get here is a shaky phone video of...people standing in a place?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)Her followers don't care. DWS doesn't care. The DNC doesn't care.
For them, this is a coronationwho needs voters?
KentuckyWoman
(6,697 posts)I don't believe for one second you actually think Bill Clinton is blocking people from voting.
Shame on you.
greymouse
(872 posts)He's clearly jamming up things so that people can't get in to vote. And not just at one polling place either. What scum the Clintons are. And their supporters wonder why Bernie's people will never vote for Hillary.
dragonfly301
(399 posts)with scandals, indictments, hearings...after 8 years of no drama Obama I don't want to go back. Give me Bernie!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)like that has to be a violation of the law.
They sure are acting like desperate people, aren't they?
KoKo
(84,711 posts)traveling entourage taking up parking spaces. That would have impeded the voting. Just his presence would seem to constitute "electioneering."
I guess we will find out more if this hits the social networks.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)This reinforces the idea that the DNC Establishment is totally in for Hillary. Oh wait, they are.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Alternative News right now and many callers are saying they're voting for Bernie. But, I suppose Alternative TV would be more Progressive IMO.
But I'm also hearing some strange comments being made and I AM CONCERNED about what The Clinton Machine is capable of. I live in Florida and am not new to VOTING IRREGULARITIES that generally NEVER can be proved until MUCH later!
3/15 is our Presidential Preference election and we're still using machines which I DO NOT TRUST in any way. And any state that's using them is suspect as far I'm concerned. I been a poll watcher several times and I've always been uneasy by things I've seen. Asking questions are useless too. At least from my perspective and from all that I've witnessed from The Hillary Machine I have a LOT of real worries!
On top of that DWS IS HERE and I most certainly DON'T have anything good to say about her. We've had many, many Bernie Groups formed even in my very Red County, which is unusual before a nominee has been chosen, but I'm already hearing Clinton WILL WIN FLORIDA!
So, I think the Clinton's have been in the BIG GAME longer and even though there's a lot of Bernie support, I'm afraid there may be flipping of votes from the machines here AGAIN! I've hardly seen any Hillary bumper stickers, more Bernie in fact, still have no confidence in the system.
I'll stop for now, but I belong to the Democratic Progressive Caucus of Florida in my county and the Democratic State Party has already tried to shut us down, but didn't succeed. I won't go into this right now, but the Caucus is trying hard to have our Progressive voices heard.
Whatever the results today I'm going to be skeptical and will wonder about real numbers no matter how it comes out. I'm sure Hillary will do better in the southern states, but TX should be in play for Bernie as MA should also be. I'm already wondering about some poll numbers I'm hearing from there.
Democracy is the biggest name on any ballot this time! Not sure it exists much anymore.
Nanjeanne
(5,003 posts)be wrong if Jane Sanders did it. It's wrong and that's not a partisan thing.
But I forget things that never used to be partisan have become so. First it was just between Dems and Republicans. But now - all of a sudden Clinton supporters don't care about money in politics, don't care about fracking, don't care about healthcare as a right - so sad.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)PADemD
(4,482 posts)They have video proof.
Paper Roses
(7,475 posts)Blatant distraction to deter voters. If this proves to be true, someone should pay the price. Unfortunately, it will be the Sanders supporters.
Hell, I'm sick of this whole political mess. The 'r's are a joke, our party, the D's, should be above these political shenanigans.
I vote but I wonder if it is worth the headache. Someone with big pockets seems to be carrying the day. I'm too old for this crap.
(can you tell I'm upset?)
Go Bernie!
mrmpa
(4,033 posts)I'm pissed. Even though I haven't lived there for 58 years, it's still my home town.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)ELECTION PROTECTION
http://www.866ourvote.org/
sus453
(164 posts)Who'd a' thunk?
Mark 750
(79 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)This is such an outrage. It's not like it was a warm weekend day, either.
People taking time from work to vote instead forced to stand outside on a cold, raw day.
Fuck the Clintons. Seriously, fuck the narcissistic, lgrifting, aw-breaking lot of them.
lloebigt13
(2 posts)As a Massachusetts resident and longtime Bernie follower, and admirer, I was lucky enough to cast my vote for him first thing this morning. I have been absolutely disgusted by the Democratic Party's actions this primary season, but this is just unreal.
I'm not sure if anyone saw this on the Reddit thread, but someone really did their homework:
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http://m.imgur.com/CNbaBhO?r
http://m.imgur.com/Cbjdhn8?r
http://m.imgur.com/fCP9eoj?r
Those pictures paint an ugly picture. I am thinking if we can flood the emails of local news outlets (Boston Globe, Cape Cod Times, South Coast Today, etc.) maybe somehow it will get wider coverage? Can't hurt...
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Merryland
(1,134 posts)How dare that arrogant jerk - he should be arrested.