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Related: About this forumDoesn't Virginia's abortion law violate the new Federal definition of rape?
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(T)he law provides that women seeking an abortion in Virginia will be forcibly penetrated for no medical reason...Requiring a doctor to commit such an act, especially when medically unnecessary, and to submit to an arbitrary waiting period, is to demand an abrogation of medical ethics, if not common decency...
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Does the Virginia abortion law involve:
Penetration? Check.
A body part or object? The transvaginal probe definitely qualifies as an object.
The consent of the victim? Not only is the victim's consent not required, the doctor's consent isn't, either!
That means Virginia's abortion law is automatically and totally unconstitutional on its face -- if you'll pardon the expression...
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Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)annabanana
(52,791 posts)zbdent
(35,392 posts)Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)If you want the abortion you have to give permission for the ultrasound. Otherwise, they don't do it. This may well be unconstitutional but we'll have to wait for it to get to the USSCt. And even then, I'm not prepared to bet that they will in fact find it to be an 'unreasonable burden' on womens' rights.
rocktivity
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and since you can't get an abortion unless you have an object penetrate you in a perfectly needless procedure, you can also argue that it's a form of coercion, psychological torture or harassment -- not to mention practicing medicine without a license!
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CTyankee
(63,912 posts)a judge to get a TRO on this law...if this is a coercive measure that women have to submit to in order to exercise their constitutional right to an abortion, particularly since it has no basis in medical practice and can cause undue stress and humiliation in women at the behest of the state...
ShadowLiberal
(2,237 posts)Under that kind of republican logic that the woman has to consent to such a probe to get the abortion it also means most rape isn't really rape.
You see, all a rapist has to do to avoid breaking the law is bring a weapon with them, and tell the woman if she doesn't have sex with him that he'll kill her. That way it's 'consensual' and perfectly legal, after all, the rapist didn't have to kill her like he threatened to!
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)people who have experience with rape.
I wonder how many of these legislators have rape fantasies? Maybe this is a way to keep them out of prison - they can rape women vicariously.
Maybe they could change the state motto to "Virginia. Where women are treated like cattle".
I don't understand why there are not thousands of men and women around the capital. They really want to teach their kids this is ok?