First female POTUS impeached - removed from office in disgrace.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

If Hillary wins the House and Senate will by controlled by crazed republicans. Impeachment will be well underway before the first 100 day gone. Turmoil will reign. The White House under constant siege will be in disarray and powerless. Confirmations of appointment mostly still mired in the congressional quagmire.


The democrats will fold and allow the nightmare to proceed.

Vice President (???????) is sworn into office.

[LexVegas]

1. Uhh...what? nt

[SoLeftIAmRight]

3. There you are

I send love

[RobertEarl]

119. Oh c'mon

The republicans would never stoop so low as to try and impeach a president! Where did you get this wild idea?

[Buzz Clik]

11. Putting this one on full ignore.

The OP is beyond the pale. Enough is enough.

[Stand and Fight]

104. Agreed. The post seems a bit unhinged to me.

[COLGATE4]

131. Count me in, too. Way OTT.

[PeaceNikki]

2. SOooooooooo dramatic!

[SoLeftIAmRight]

5. Peace

and Love

[virtualobserver]

15. you don't remember the Clinton administration, do you?

There were still some sane Republicans back then.

[lunamagica]

4. And you would jump with joy if this fantasy came true, wouldn't you?

[SoLeftIAmRight]

8. Be Well

and hope for a good VP

[Journeyman]

6. You've certainly convinced me. Of what, I don't know. But I'm thoroughly inspired (or not). . .

can't make out what I'm supposed to feel or do, gonna crawl under the bed & stay there 'til it's over.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

10. Hope it is not too dusty under there.

be well

[Politicalboi]

69. They've forgotten history and we know what happens next

It's her turn damn it. Laws and facts be damned. She's the Queen. Let's hope her end comes before being president.

[John Poet]

88. 'If there is no bread, let them eat cake'

Us peasants shouldn't stand in her way.

[KingFlorez]

7. This is what some people want to happen

Such a downward spiral into madness. It's almost amusing to watch.

[Punkingal]

12. No, not want to happen, are scared will happen.

[NCTraveler]

9. Wow. This is serious stuff. I think you just sealed the deal for Sanders tomorrow.

This game of fear you are playing is going to work great. Sanders for the win.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

17. and how do you see it? Hillary working with the republicans?

that is the other possibility

3rd way?

[NCTraveler]

24. Those are the options?

[John Poet]

89. This game of DENIAL that you Hillary supporters are playing

is likely to end badly for you.

[NCTraveler]

92. I'm not familiar with the game of DENIAL you are talking about.

Once again, all caps to make it sound more daunting. Fear. Lets see how that works.

What am I in denial of? To help: What am I in DENIAL of?

[MaggieD]

13. LOL!

Ok

[SoLeftIAmRight]

21. This probability is not funny

...

[mythology]

96. Your farcical post is rather funny.

How does the Senate get to the point where they could vote to remove a theoretical President Clinton? Also if they could do that, why not impeach the VP as well to give us President Ryan?

And if they have that much control why would they not impeach Sanders as well if he becomes President?

[SoLeftIAmRight]

122. Many Many Thanks

...

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. Losing is hard

There there.

[JimDandy]

37. Hopefully you'll tell us all about it when Bernie is nominated. n/t

[cwydro]

65. I know.

It's been sad to watch this unraveling of the Bernie supporters.

[JaneyVee]

16. LOL. This place sometimes.

[DCBob]

18. Then we get Julian Castro.

Not a bad fall back!

[SoLeftIAmRight]

23. That sure makes me feel better

...

[DCBob]

30. What wrong with Julian Castro??

Is he also under the bus with all our other solid liberal Democratic leaders?

[SoLeftIAmRight]

39. you should be in the Olympics - that was a huge jump

you must have taken my response as sarcasm

peace

[DCBob]

44. So we're cool then with Julian Castro.

Great! Problem solved.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

45. It is nice to see you agree that Hillary is doomed!

...

[DCBob]

46. Not at all.

But I will never underestimate the stupidity of the Republican congress.

[dragonfly301]

58. I don't know what's wrong w/ Julian Castro or what's right

I know little about where he stands on issues - just know that he fills Hillary's political needs ie Latino from Texas.

[DCBob]

66. He's great. Here are some of his accomplishments..

-- Thomas Jefferson High School. Graduated in 3 years and was ranked 9th in his class. SAT 1210.
-- Stanford University graduate
-- Harvard Law School graduate.
-- Akin Gump Associate.
-- Started own law firm.
-- Mayor of San Antonio. 7th most populous city in America. Youngest sitting mayor at the time.
-- Secretary of the US Department of the Housing and Urban Development since 2014.
-- Youngest member of President Obama's Cabinet.

And was raised by a single mother, Rosie Castro, who during the ’70s, was among the leaders of the La Raza Unida movement, which was dedicated to defending the civil rights of Mexican-Americans and promoting a strong Chicano identity.

I think all that qualifies him as an excellent candidate for VP and potentially President.

[dragonfly301]

83. seems like he's resume building but what does he think about TPP or

income inequality or campaign finance reform, abortion or war? What kind of debater is he? Is he another Third Way member? If chosen and they are elected, he will be VP to a 69yo who has had some recent health issues. He might deliver Texas in the election but we might be stuck with him as POTUS and heaven forbid the liberal side of the party mounts a primary candidate against him. So yeah I'll need a lot more info - and btw those SAT scores are nothing to write home about - I wouldn't lead with that if you're looking to impress.

[DCBob]

86. Regarding your SAT comment..

"The top 25% of SAT takers score about 1200 or more (or 1800 on the Old SAT); if your New SAT score is above 1200, then that's quite good."

http://blog.prepscholar.com/what-is-a-good-sat-score-a-bad-sat-score-an-excellent-sat-score

From what I have heard he is a good solid liberal but I am sure there will be things you wont like about him.

[dragonfly301]

90. Just to clarify - he didn't take the "new" SAT

and I just want to hold up on the coronation until we know who we're crowning. Hillary can do a lot to get Bernie supporters support by choosing a VP who falls on the liberal side of the spectrum. I want the Third Way to die, that's not gonna happen if Doogie Howser VP is a Third Way member and we're obligated to vote for him for POTUS when the time comes.

[DCBob]

100. I stand corrected.

I got that from his website. I think his point was that even though he didnt score that high on his SAT he still got into Stanford due to Affirmative Action which he thinks is a great program and he is a testament to that.

Your insults to HUD secretary (eg.. "Doogie Howser&quot are classless and clueless.

[JonLeibowitz]

129. top 25% is unimpressive given the schlubs that we graduate from high school and send to college.

[DhhD]

105. Hillary already has Texas in the bag. She would need leverage with another state, say California.

What other states does she need leverage in? That is where, I believe, the VP would come from, if she get the nomination. IMO, Texas cannot help her with the national blue collar Hispanic/Latino vote because of her NAFTA, TPP and other trade agreements baggage. Castro should run for President.

[DCBob]

112. Texas is not why she is choosing him. Texas has been Red for decades.

The strategy I believe is to shore up the Latino/Hispanic vote and counter a possible Rubio opponent or some other Hispanic as VP to Trump. Plus the fact he is a rising star in the Dem Party. Many view him as the Latino Obama.

[G_j]

19. WTH

do you think they'll do with Bernie, who is a FAR greater threat to them?

[PeaceNikki]

20. No. It will be rainbows and unicorns surrounded by butterflies and sunshine.

Duh.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

43. I like - rainbows and unicorns surrounded by butterflies and sunshine

seems some do not

Peace

[JimDandy]

36. He has nothing to be impeached over.

On day 1, Repubs will be attacking Clinton with all her baggage.

[G_j]

48. That doesn't matter to them

They'll manufacture something.

[JimDandy]

49. No. If it were possible to manufacture an impeachment, they would have done so with Obama.

[Politicalboi]

77. They can't impeach him

Hillary on the other hand I think so. Not that the GOP will work with ANYONE anyway.

[fleur-de-lisa]

22. If she wins the nomination, I believe she will pick Julian Castro as her VP.

If your scenario plays out, and I don't think it will, then Castro becomes the CIC.

I'm cool with that. I prefer Julian Castro over Hillary.

Of course I prefer Bernie over either of them.

[unblock]

25. ah, so that's how sanders becomes president! through the backdoor!

[giftedgirl77]

26. Welcome to Obama's world.

[72DejaVu]

27. You think they won't do the same to Bernie?

They'll impeach him just for being a socialist.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

42. They'll impeach him just for being a socialist.

That will be fun! Give America the education that is necessary!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

28. They still have to have a reason.

Having the last name 'Clinton' still isn't enough for impeachment.

[jeff47]

34. Actually, there's no requirement in the Constitution for there to be a reason.

"High crimes and misdemeanors" has no definition. It basically means whatever Congress thinks it means at that time. So they literally could impeach Clinton for having the last name Clinton.

You have to remember the framers expected impeachment to be common, conviction slightly less so.

[HereSince1628]

133. I can't remember the Framers expecting impeachment to be common

Just wondering, where you came across that which we all 'have to' but then mostly don't remember?

[jeff47]

134. I can't exactly link a host of high school and college textbooks.

The assumption was that someone with a lot of power was likely to abuse that power. And the president has a lot of power. So impeachment would be used with some regularity.

That doesn't mean constantly. They expected it to be used more often than twice in 227 years. Not 227 times.

[asuhornets]

29. Geeeezzzz....

Thanks for your Democratic support..

[SoLeftIAmRight]

38. You are welcome - we must plan for what is to come.

be well

[Codeine]

31. Which of the five stages is "Whackadoo Incoherence"?

The deep end, sir! You've gone off it!

[SoLeftIAmRight]

47. I send my love

from those lips...

[merrily]

57. Jury results. Leave 2-5

Insulting personal attack. Regardless of how you feel about the OP.

Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Given the OP, this seems mild.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: meh, I've read a lot worse directed the other way.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I cannot hide in good conscience. I've seen worse and the Opening post did go in an odd direction in order to attract attention.

[tammywammy]

108. Heh

[SidDithers]

32. ...

Sid

[SoLeftIAmRight]

124. Hello - there you are

It seems strange that you of all people here would support a member of the "family".

I guess there are some cults you do like!

Here - you seem to like these -

[Jester Messiah]

33. 4 years of 24/7 Servergate and Benghazi.

Ugh. WHY do people insist on this woman??

[PeaceNikki]

54. Benghazi!!!!!!!!!!112?!!!!!!

[Jester Messiah]

84. It'll be her "long form birth certificate."

The cudgel with which they beat her over the head so that she spends all her time dealing with that instead of getting anything done.
Why, I bet Goldman won't even expand their profit margins in the first two years of her term, she'll be too bogged down to even loosen any financial regulations!

[stevenleser]

35. We can't control what Republicans in the House do. But we can prevent removal in the Senate.

You are suggesting that quite a few Democratic senators would vote for conviction and removal. It would require 67 votes in the senate to convict and remove. That means under the current senate, 13 Democrats would have to vote to remove her and we expect to pick up seats in the general election so it would be somewhere north of that number.

It wont happen.

[TeddyR]

51. I agree

Unless she's actually indicted over the email issue. Then I would expect (and support) impeachment. The United States cannot have a sitting president who is under federal indictment. Although I imagine she would resign if actually indicted.

[grasswire]

106. which is why she should step aside now

She is too flawed to represent the Democratic Party.

Why in hell should we open ourselves to that risk.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

59. Democrats take a stand against the republicans

I would like to see that

[stevenleser]

68. We already saw that in a similar situation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_and_acquittal_of_Bill_Clinton#Senate_votes

[Nonhlanhla]

40. This is just a sad,miserable post. nt.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

41. I know - the future looks ugly

Climate change and the sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now

Let's just plod along

[Katashi_itto]

50. Frankly I could see her under attack from day one. If you think obstructionism was bad under Obama..

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I dislike Clinton, don't get me wrong.

But I think she has a good chance of being the nominee unfortunately.

But if you all think she is going to build any kind of consensus with an insane congress....

Or that she won't be dealing with one impeachment attempt after another.

I will also point out they are up to 61-62 (something ridiculous) attempts to repeal ACA.

Me? Well... I plan on lots of popcorn.

[cherokeeprogressive]

52. That leaves the country with a President whose elective political experience is 5 years as Mayor

of San Antonio.

Bitchin'.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. When I was a seventh grader at Deltona Junior High School

When I was a seventh grader at Deltona Junior High School a classmate of mine opened up a thermos that had milk in it that wasn't opened in months. I never smelled anything as bad before and since...

But I am thinking of that smell now.


I have never told a lie on this board...When the Senate voted on impeachment and Bill Clinton was found innocent I ordered a pizza from Papa Johns and almost ate the whole got damn thing.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

56. Climate change and the sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now

that is the smell you should be considering

[DemocratSinceBirth]

62. This thread was evocative of another smell.

This thread was evocative of another smell. I can not be robbed of my memories. Even in the darkest pits of Hitler's concentration camps, Mao's slave labor camps, and Pol Pot's re-education camps the prisoners held on to their memories. A man or woman can be extinguished but a spirit can never be killed.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

67. enjoy the third way

...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. I am not a huge fan of labeling...

You should read about labeling from a sociological perspective. Once you put a label on a person, you rob him or her of his individuality, and interpret their every action through the prism of the label you assigned to them.

I like to listen to folks, instead of talking at them. That way I don't rob them of their individuality and agency.

It's an holistic, progressive, and inclusive way to look at the world as opposed to a regressive and exclusionary one. Binary thinking is stinking thinking.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

73. I am not a huge fan of labeling.

Hillary does not want the label GMO's - you should be happy

[DemocratSinceBirth]

78. That's just what I said, nothing taken out of context...

I said there should no labels on people as if I believe it is prudent to relieve yourself in the kitchen and not the bathroom, as if you should take arsenic instead of an aspirin, because I oppose labeling.

The gentleman in your avatar sighs.

[Dawgs]

55. No worries. She will never be President. n/t

[Kelvin Mace]

60. The VP will then be impeached to clear the way for the Republican Speaker

[dem in texas]

61. You've been watching too much Fox News

Is Dick Morris your buddy?

[Dem2]

63. Cool

Republicans are going to start a civil war? They do seem intent on it.

[Betty Karlson]

64. Even if that VP is called Bernard Sanders, I dread the thought.

Why is Clinton burning every bridge in sight and scorching all earth around the Democratic Party? How stupid are she and Debbie?

[rtracey]

70. well

Its been 8 years, has Mr Obama been impeached... wait a minute, some Bernie supporters are insistent that Hillary is a Republican, so really impeached for what crimes?....2/3 majority for impeachment to go to trial in senate. The Right wing does NOT have a 2/3 majority in the Senate, and any Senator that may be GOP in a Blue state up for reelection...no way they are going to vote for impeachment. So on your second point, maybe you should hope if Hillary wins she runs with Bernie as vice-president...

[CreekDog]

72. And you're an anti-vaxxer, who claims to be a mathematician also

so much for your credibility.

Star Member SoLeftIAmRight (3,459 posts)
3. Why wade into this pool of ignorance?

Why wade into this pool of ignorance?


There is little critical thinking displayed when this subject comes up. No sane parent should assault their new born child with the concoction presently pushed; unless, there is a need. I was lucky. My child was born in a “safe environment” and I had the luxury of altering her immune system slowly and in a less dangerous manner. If she had been born in many other places in the world, I would have had her shot up with everything possible while still inside my wife. One must be very foolish to believe that this is a simple procedure and that the current methods are the best. We will find that, just as the wealthy already do, it is best to preserve all birth tissues and unaltered early samples. The mad rush to inject newborns is clearly for the stupid masses. Feel free to be a sheep. I recommend a wiser course of action.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=74339

[SoLeftIAmRight]

76. looks like a cautious parent to me

hillary supporter - digging for dirt - finds nothing - decides to spread organics

[JTFrog]

102. +1 n/t

[MineralMan]

74. Oh, for pity's sake! People wrote the same

garbage about President Obama in 2008, and yet he will have served two very honorable terms in office. This kind of stuff is way out of place on Democratic Underground. Nothing of the sort will happen if she is elected. It is merely a pipe dream from the far right.

You should consider self-deleting this post. Truly.

[onenote]

75. Ahh, sweet memories of other DU predictions.

Here's a blast from the not so distant past:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025774450

[LonePirate]

79. What dozen or so Dems would vote to convict? Are you aware the conviction is not a majority vote?

[SoLeftIAmRight]

80. I have been looking at this

which are up for reelection in two years

[Mike Nelson]

81. Crazed Republicans would...

...not hold anything back, true... they would treat Bernie with no less disdain. My guess is Hillary would survive as she always does, and help Bernie if he needs to weather an impeachment storm.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

82. and while she is suviving...

what gets done?

[Mike Nelson]

85. She's been under...

...investigations by Republicans for as long as I've been watching. She works around it... I don't really expect the Republicans to change... or to change their tactics should Bernie become President. They will consider it their mission to work against any Democrat getting elected. They will be relentless... I don't really think they will threat any Democrat nicely. At least, Hillary knows the score.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

87. why start the game down by this much?

...

[riversedge]

91. Your post is nothing more than RW scare tatic. SHAME ON YOU. This is a Democratic Board

[rock]

93. Don't understand impeachment?

Control of both houses is not enough, you need a preponderous of both.

[mmonk]

107. I think you are thinking of conviction and removal.

[Lizzie Poppet]

94. Why would the GOP's oligarch masters permit such a thing?

They'd have a compliant person in the Oval Office, but one able to put on a good show of "fighting the opposition in Congress" over matters the oligarchs don't give a shit about. Keeps us peasants fooled into thinking the whole charade is actually meaningful...while on matters of real importance to them, they've got both sides of the (fake) dichotomy covered.

No point in fucking up a perfect situation...one they've gotten real used to over the years. Wild-card true believer types like Cruz might try to screw things up by pushing for impeachment...but I'm betting that would never be allowed to progress beyond the bluster stage.

[grossproffit]

95. Is this a new HBO series?

[brooklynite]

97. Pointing out thatyou haveno understanfing how Impeachment works

You need a 2/3 vote to uphold an Impeachment

[JTFrog]

98. Wow, the smell of desperation is overwhelming the day before defeat. n/t

[sufrommich]

99. The Sanders supporters desperation sets in.nt

[artislife]

101. Are you suggesting His and Her impeachments?

It would complete a set.

Who knows about this OP, but the image in my mind strikes me as funny.

[senz]

109. Much needed humor.

Muy chistoso! Muchas gracias por (para?) eso. (Desculpame para los errores.)

[wyldwolf]

103. can I get the winning powerball numbers before you shut the crystal ball off?

[senz]

110. If she muscles her way into the nom, let's hope

she picks a real Democrat/democrat for veep.

[Codeine]

114. "Muscles her way to the nom"?

By winning votes and delegates and stuff? How awful!! The very idea!!

[senz]

115. Big money, superpacs, high power connections, MSM favoritism, enemies lists ...

... the usual.

Might as well know it and own it.

[CreekDog]

118. Did you mean "muscles" or did you mean "if she wins the nomination"

if you're gonna call it something else when a woman does it...

just save it.

[senz]

130. I explained what I meant

here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1373901

It is how her entire campaign looks to me; there's nothing natural and organic about it. It's all just brute force, all these powerful elements set up to propel her into the presidency.

And, please, it's tedious and tiresome to reduce every comment about Hillary to "woman." I'm a woman, and I couldn't stand it if every comment about me was interpreted as being about my gender assignment. You don't know me, and I don't know you, but I can assure you that there are many things about me that are far more interesting than my gender. I'm sure you could say the same for yourself.

Okay, that's all. Have a nice evening.

[Svafa]

111. I don't know if it will come to full-blown impeachment,

but if she makes it to the WH, repukes will make everything even harder for her than they did Obama. People underestimate the visceral hatred that Republicans have for Clinton. It would be four (or eight) more years of nothing but obstruction.

[hifiguy]

113. I think you are right, hypothetically.

But it's not gonna happen. If she's at the top of the ticket look for a Goldwater/McGovern level blowout. She's the kiss of death in the GE.

[GeorgeGist]

116. Your first sentence gives away ...

your lack of critical thinking skills.

[Warren DeMontague]

117. That's okay, she puts Debbie Wasserman Schultz on the ticket we'll have a female veep, too. Won't

that be GREAT?

Then thank God we will have a chief executive who will take seriously the number one problem facing this nation today, namely the dangerous terminally ill cancer patients who are allowed to roam free while using medical marijuana, instead of being sent to prison where they belong.



Seriously, the Hillary people all think Debbie's doing such a great fucking job, why not put her on the ticket?

[steve2470]

120. If Clinton wasn't impeached and convicted and Andrew Johnson wasn't convicted....

President Hillary Clinton damn sure will not, barring some major revelation of treason or extremely illegal conduct.


Good day.

[Art_from_Ark]

125. Andrew Johnson missed being convicted by one vote

with the deciding vote cast by Kansas Senator Edmond G. Ross. The charges were trumped up, based on a hastily enacted law (the Tenure of Office Act) that forbade Johnson from firing Cabinet members he had inherited from Lincoln, especially Secretary of War Edwin Stanton (who was trying his darndest to be the de facto President). Sixty years later, that law was finally ruled unconstitutional.

Of course, Bill Clinton was impeached under some of the most ridiculous circumstances imaginable. And it would have been hard to convict him after it came out that so many of his accusers on the Republican side (including 2 or 3 House speakers) were guilty of what they were accusing Clinton of.

[BreakfastClub]

121. Ehh, no, not buying it. nt

[rbrnmw]

123. DOOMED we are all DOOMED

[SoLeftIAmRight]

126. Climate change and the sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now

thing are not well

some laugh about it - some think we can just plod along

...

[rbrnmw]

127. I am laughing at your ridiculous RW pipedream OP

good luck tomorrow

[SoLeftIAmRight]

128. Climate change and the sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now

what should we do?

[lovemydog]

132. And 'To Serve Man'

was a cookbook!!!!!!!