2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumVermont's Times Argus newspaper endorses Clinton.
Yesterday. Excerpts:
This endorsement rests on Clintons breadth of experience and her proven commitment to those many issues where she shares a progressive outlook with Sanders. The very notion of political experience has taken on a negative connotation in this surprising year because voters associate it with compromise and corruption. But outsider status, which Sanders has always enjoyed, does not automatically confer wisdom or ability. Clintons experience as a hard-working, policy-oriented senator and a secretary of state who restored the good name of the United States weighs heavily in her favor.
...The contest between Clinton and Sanders has been framed as a choice between pragmatism and idealism, between incrementalism and boldness. Framing it that way oversells what Sanders offers. Fighting for health care reform, as Clinton has done for a quarter century, has been an exercise in idealism. It has been a long, difficult fight against powerful entrenched interests. The Clinton administration didnt succeed in the 1990s. The Obama administration has made significant progress, and Clinton is right to underscore the importance of that victory.
Its easy to hold out the promise of grand solutions. On Sanders part these would include a Medicare-for-all, single-payer health care system and free college for everybody. These are lofty and worthy goals; Medicare-for-all was Ted Kennedys idea. But Clinton is willing to be square with the American people in acknowledging that getting to those goals would be a step-by-step process, requiring the kind of painstaking work she did as a senator.
....As the leader of a movement he has been a great success. As president of all the people, he is not the best choice. It is argued by frustrated progressives that President Barack Obama was too willing to compromise and so he didnt achieve all he could have done. But Obama has been president not just of Vermont and Cambridge and Berkeley. He has been president of South Carolina and Kentucky and Alabama. It was never going to be easy, and it is unclear whether a more ideologically extreme approach on his part would have achieved more. As it is, his methods have made him, perhaps, the most effective president since Franklin Roosevelt.
Meanwhile, Clintons foreign policy experience is a plus, though not without failures of judgment. We do not need a foreign policy neophyte in office in this dangerous time.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Beautiful endorsement for Hillary!
yardwork
(61,712 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)I guess not all of vermont is racist like you once said now.
beyond that this is a bunch of idiotcy.the movement and everything bernie has been fighting for is lost.clinton is no progressive.
never has been.never will.MSM can claim that all they want.it's not true.she is right of center staus quo candiate.Only change coming is many of the 99% will be screwed over even more.the top 1% get richer and more poor whites with blacks and latinos die in wars she
supports.
yardwork
(61,712 posts)What an offensive post. Link to me ever saying anything like that or delete and apologize for that false accusation.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)as well as calling all bernie supporters racists.
yardwork
(61,712 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)calling me and every bernie supporters racists and sexists and like tea party.you called all of vermont a bunch of racists.
Ok to consently personly attack us but minute someone calls it up we are smearing you.
yardwork
(61,712 posts)You're telling lies about me. Twice in this thread you have accused me of "calling all Vermont racist." I've never said anything remotely like that. I would not say such a thing about any state.
Your accusation is outrageous.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)On Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:23 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
Like you guys have
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1371640
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)LexVegas
(6,101 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)K&R.
Spazito
(50,484 posts)Ouch! I wonder if Sanders expected this?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)If I saw this movement expanding to at least attempt to make a 115th and 116th congress happen that would make
Bernie's agenda anything more than an idealistic wish list.. I'd be on the other side right now.
No Democratic POTUS is going to make any strong progressive headway in this next congress (although with the way Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot with the SCOTUS nomination i'm actually getting hopeful that at the very least the Senate might be a bit more friendly). The following mid-term congress isn't shaping up to be any better.
Spazito
(50,484 posts)"No Democratic POTUS is going to make any strong progressive headway in this next congress (although with the way Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot with the SCOTUS nomination i'm actually getting hopeful that at the very least the Senate might be a bit more friendly). The following mid-term congress isn't shaping up to be any better."
Well said.
Gerrymandering has ensured the repubs will control the House for some time, to change that Dems will have to win the governors' races as well as win the majority in the various state legislatures. That takes time.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)yardwork
(61,712 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Attention! Attention! Newsflash! Corporate media endorses wholly owned corporate candidate.
Ho hum.
Spazito
(50,484 posts)When I go to post a response, I get the menu normally on the left side of the page moving over to cover part of the header space. It has happened before and here is the fix, it's from a Help post I remembered reading when I went to ask for help on it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125610592#top